DarkJedi9
04-29-2003, 05:15 PM
no doubt even more irritating to use in Linux than NTFS.
Read if you'd like to. (http://news.com.com/2009-1017-857509.html?tag=nl)
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zdude255
04-29-2003, 05:29 PM
I think that support will arise very quickly. We have SQL databases on Linux already, and XML is universal anyways.
"We're going to have to redo the Windows shell; we're going to have to redo Office, and Outlook particularly, to take advantage" of the new data store, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said in a recent interview with CNET News.com. "We're working hard on it. It's tough stuff."
Yippee!! We all get to pay more money on newer version of programs we already own!!
"We're going to have to redo the Windows shell; we're going to have to redo Office, and Outlook particularly, to take advantage" of the new data store, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said in a recent interview with CNET News.com. "We're working hard on it. It's tough stuff."
Yippee!! We all get to pay more money on newer version of programs we already own!!
Hayl
04-29-2003, 05:38 PM
that was supposed to make it into Windows XP and never did. LOL.
Icarus
04-29-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Hayl
that was supposed to make it into Windows XP and never did. LOL. I read about this in December...it was suppose to make it into NT 3
They kept on running into problems with it so it kept getting pushed back...10 years later they decide they'd better do it :)
that was supposed to make it into Windows XP and never did. LOL. I read about this in December...it was suppose to make it into NT 3
They kept on running into problems with it so it kept getting pushed back...10 years later they decide they'd better do it :)
LrngTheHardWay
04-29-2003, 05:57 PM
"Because Microsoft needs the new data store to make its .Net services plan work, analysts say the company is likely to pressure customers to make the move to the Longhorn release of Windows through licensing incentives or other means."
Ya think? ;)
They need .net to try to close the circle, and OOo can do win-docs.
First iteration will be, according to the tried-n-true-micro$oft-way, crappy; and will finally release to a market that has already reverse-engineered the data store format.
Ya think? ;)
They need .net to try to close the circle, and OOo can do win-docs.
First iteration will be, according to the tried-n-true-micro$oft-way, crappy; and will finally release to a market that has already reverse-engineered the data store format.
DarkJedi9
04-29-2003, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by zdude255
I think that support will arise very quickly. We have SQL databases on Linux already, and XML is universal anyways.
Yeah, that will be fun. All the Windows users have to buy like five new titles and I just type "emerge -up world" into a terminal. :D
I think that support will arise very quickly. We have SQL databases on Linux already, and XML is universal anyways.
Yeah, that will be fun. All the Windows users have to buy like five new titles and I just type "emerge -up world" into a terminal. :D
El_Cu_Guy
04-29-2003, 06:15 PM
Microsoft has been promising a datababase file system for year. It has been promising Blackcomb almost as long. They don't deliver and you're surprised!?
If this post stays active I hope it deals with constructive comments concerning the file system. I've seen too many of these turn into "festivals of morons" spewing misinformation about drive mounting in Windows (it's an option not a requirement, stupid).
Perhaps we'll read wild posts about how you'll have to buy all new software because nothing will work with the new OS. OMG!!! Let's squelch that one while we're here. Older software won't take full advantage of the new fs or will require a separate partition using an older fs. Amazing how some of the most complex problems usually have the simpliest solutions..
Ok, I'm done. Thoughts?
If this post stays active I hope it deals with constructive comments concerning the file system. I've seen too many of these turn into "festivals of morons" spewing misinformation about drive mounting in Windows (it's an option not a requirement, stupid).
Perhaps we'll read wild posts about how you'll have to buy all new software because nothing will work with the new OS. OMG!!! Let's squelch that one while we're here. Older software won't take full advantage of the new fs or will require a separate partition using an older fs. Amazing how some of the most complex problems usually have the simpliest solutions..
Ok, I'm done. Thoughts?
DarkJedi9
04-29-2003, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by El_Cu_Guy
Microsoft has been promising a datababase file system for year. It has been promising Blackcomb almost as long. They don't deliver and you're surprised!?
If this post stays active I hope it deals with constructive comments concerning the file system. I've seen too many of these turn into "festivals of morons" spewing misinformation about drive mounting in Windows (it's an option not a requirement, stupid).
Perhaps we'll read wild posts about how you'll have to buy all new software because nothing will work with the new OS. OMG!!! Let's squelch that one while we're here. Older software won't take full advantage of the new fs or will require a separate partition using an older fs. Amazing how some of the most complex problems usually have the simpliest solutions..
Ok, I'm done. Thoughts?
Just that I would also enjoy it if the new fs does turn out to be something praiseworthy. I don't hate Microsoft, and it would just be spiteful (and counterproductive) to hope that anything they try fails. I'm just saying it will mean a lot of work for a number of people (I'm assuming; I guess it is feasible (sp?) that it would be relatively easy) to make it so Linux can work with the new fs.
Microsoft has been promising a datababase file system for year. It has been promising Blackcomb almost as long. They don't deliver and you're surprised!?
If this post stays active I hope it deals with constructive comments concerning the file system. I've seen too many of these turn into "festivals of morons" spewing misinformation about drive mounting in Windows (it's an option not a requirement, stupid).
Perhaps we'll read wild posts about how you'll have to buy all new software because nothing will work with the new OS. OMG!!! Let's squelch that one while we're here. Older software won't take full advantage of the new fs or will require a separate partition using an older fs. Amazing how some of the most complex problems usually have the simpliest solutions..
Ok, I'm done. Thoughts?
Just that I would also enjoy it if the new fs does turn out to be something praiseworthy. I don't hate Microsoft, and it would just be spiteful (and counterproductive) to hope that anything they try fails. I'm just saying it will mean a lot of work for a number of people (I'm assuming; I guess it is feasible (sp?) that it would be relatively easy) to make it so Linux can work with the new fs.
El_Cu_Guy
04-30-2003, 12:42 AM
I don't hate Microsoft, and it would just be spiteful (and counterproductive) to hope that anything they try fails.
If MS were to deliver on their promise of a new fs for Windows that actually improves the way people use a computer it would be great. Of course when MS first announced this, the original developers of BeOS asked "this is new?" I am wondering too how this will effect (or is it affect) multiplatform environments as far as what steps will need to be taken to take full advantage of it..
If MS were to deliver on their promise of a new fs for Windows that actually improves the way people use a computer it would be great. Of course when MS first announced this, the original developers of BeOS asked "this is new?" I am wondering too how this will effect (or is it affect) multiplatform environments as far as what steps will need to be taken to take full advantage of it..
unixtool
04-30-2003, 12:56 AM
Due to having a beta of longhorn and it's new fs, I have already found the following:
93 buffer overruns
71 exploitable scripting errors
59 fs holes
and another 50 "mail" overruns and exploits; including IIS, Exchange, and client side hacks.
Can't wait till it's released. New coin'd phrase: " Script kiddies unite"
And I have been waiting 10 years for this easy hack? oh, please.
93 buffer overruns
71 exploitable scripting errors
59 fs holes
and another 50 "mail" overruns and exploits; including IIS, Exchange, and client side hacks.
Can't wait till it's released. New coin'd phrase: " Script kiddies unite"
And I have been waiting 10 years for this easy hack? oh, please.
andysimmons
04-30-2003, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by unixtool
Due to having a beta of longhorn and it's new fs, I have already found the following:
93 buffer overruns
71 exploitable scripting errors
59 fs holes
and another 50 "mail" overruns and exploits; including IIS, Exchange, and client side hacks.
Can't wait till it's released. New coin'd phrase: " Script kiddies unite"
And I have been waiting 10 years for this easy hack? oh, please.
I thought Longhorn still used NTFS, do you have something different?
Due to having a beta of longhorn and it's new fs, I have already found the following:
93 buffer overruns
71 exploitable scripting errors
59 fs holes
and another 50 "mail" overruns and exploits; including IIS, Exchange, and client side hacks.
Can't wait till it's released. New coin'd phrase: " Script kiddies unite"
And I have been waiting 10 years for this easy hack? oh, please.
I thought Longhorn still used NTFS, do you have something different?
andysimmons
04-30-2003, 01:36 AM
Microsoft executives say the company plans to resurrect the OFS idea with the Longhorn release of Windows. "This will impact Longhorn deeply, and we will create a new API for applications to take advantage of it," Allchin said.
Ok so I'm retarded...:rolleyes:
Ok so I'm retarded...:rolleyes:
CMonster
04-30-2003, 04:00 AM
I've seen too many of these turn into "festivals of morons" spewing misinformation...
Good News, the Blue Pill is now available.
Good News, the Blue Pill is now available.
robagen
05-01-2003, 01:00 AM
We've all heard of, er, the general XML standard
as a filesystem standard..and on, I think, WinPlanet, the "Microsoft Office System" beta's
xml is.........(drumroll)configured partly as a
"WordXML" file format. A Microsoft flack
(oops, sorry corporate press rep)says, too, "It's
not designed to be interpoperable.."
(With Open Office or Star Office or ANYONE
ELSE's xml filesystem standard, I say. "GROAN" the
usual.)
Not only that, the !@#$ registration-compliance
software is buggy, so I'm told. Gack! The Msoft
people should just hang a big banner out their
door.."CUSTOMERS:GIVE US MONEY, OTHERWISE YOU'RE
REALLY ANNOYING".;) ;)
as a filesystem standard..and on, I think, WinPlanet, the "Microsoft Office System" beta's
xml is.........(drumroll)configured partly as a
"WordXML" file format. A Microsoft flack
(oops, sorry corporate press rep)says, too, "It's
not designed to be interpoperable.."
(With Open Office or Star Office or ANYONE
ELSE's xml filesystem standard, I say. "GROAN" the
usual.)
Not only that, the !@#$ registration-compliance
software is buggy, so I'm told. Gack! The Msoft
people should just hang a big banner out their
door.."CUSTOMERS:GIVE US MONEY, OTHERWISE YOU'RE
REALLY ANNOYING".;) ;)
DarkJedi9
05-01-2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by robagen
"CUSTOMERS:GIVE US MONEY, OTHERWISE YOU'RE
REALLY ANNOYING".;) ;)
Haha. :D
"CUSTOMERS:GIVE US MONEY, OTHERWISE YOU'RE
REALLY ANNOYING".;) ;)
Haha. :D
ashibaka
05-01-2003, 05:22 PM
Have you ever tried saving a Word XP document as an HTML file, then look at the source code? The results are entertaining (if you're an AbiWord user) or frightening (if you've been using XP to write all your websites and have been wondering why your server wastes so much bandwidth).
Anyway, yeah, the new filesystem is soooorta stupid.
Anyway, yeah, the new filesystem is soooorta stupid.
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