hats of to Red Hat

[-wassup-]

RedHat 9 support (in spite of their attempt to make their distro incompatible with everyone else)

more like f- off! this is the kind of stff that makes linux hard to use for people. now everyone is gonna have to go to remake their packages with rh9 support cuz of idiots who use rh are gonna get rh9 with out thinking of the consequences

[myshkin]

what has redhat done this time? :confused:

[-wassup-]

not sure exactly but a lot of things wont work on it....they went out of their way to make it incompatible.....they should realy be following lsb.

[NecroLin]

Although I do admit that not all software will work with RHat 9, they had the same problem with RHat 8. From what I remember one of the problems had to do with the new antialiased fonts that they use or something like that. Basically they wanted to polish up the desktop, & they did a really good job of it. The fonts are WAY smoother & nicer than on Debian, Slackware, Mandrake etc & the desktop is really polished.

I've got to admit though that for the most part I've had no more trouble installing software on Rhat 9 than I had with installing software on previous versions. There will be the dependencies to download...and some software that just refuses to work.

BTW I installed lots of software that was made for RedHat 7, and guess what, it worked fine on RHat 9. So what's the prob?

:confused:

[-wassup-]

well i was talking to a friend online and he was having a lot of dep problems and i have read in a few places about problems with red hat. i havent tried rh9 and i dont plan on it anytime soon.

[DMR]

1. This isn't a technical issue, and as such doesn't belong in the Technical forum- moved to /dev/random.

2. What exactly is Redhat doing to implement this devious plot of incompatibility? If you're going to rant about a product you've never even tried yourself, how about at least backing up your complaints with some hard evidence. I mean, dependency issues with rpms are nothing new, and they're certainly not intentionally built in.

As for some software not working with certain versions of an OS, that's nothing new either. Vendors often make changes to improve an aspect of a product, and that sometimes has an ill effect on another part of that product. It's a balancing act, and granted, they don't always make the right decision. Also keep in mind that people often try to install a precompiled program only to find out that it doesn't work. After much moaning ang griping about the program, they also often find out that the program they're trying to install was compiled for a different distro, or against a different kernel version- D-oh! Hardly the software vendor's fault.

[El_Cu_Guy]

Sounds a lot like the old "because someone said so, now I'm going off half-**** without any of the details" rant.

I think people often read too much into LSB. It's not about 100% compatibility between distros, at least not yet. You'll often see varying compliance (ie LSB 1.1). As of right now this explanation is the only one I can offer that bext explains the current LSB.

LSB, a workgroup under the Free Standards Group, standardizes the core functionality of Linux and the suite of GNU tools, giving Linux distributions and Linux-based applications the opportunity to reach a wider market, while allowing application developers to concentrate on increased functionality. LSB was developed through a collaboration between community developers, Linux distribution companies, ISVs and system vendors.

The FSG explanation of the LSB:

The goal of the LSB is to develop and promote a set of binary standards that will increase compatibility among Linux systems (and other similar systems), and enable software applications to run on any conforming system. In addition, the LSB will help coordinate efforts to recruit software vendors to port and write products for such systems.

[David Anderson]

I'm really enjoying Redhat 9. Dependency issues exist everywhere in Linux, so there's no sense in *****ing. Just minimize it by:

1) Using apt-get (the rpm based one)

2) Using Red Carpet (love this software - great job by Ximian)

3) Actually reading the READMEs and verifying you have the needed libraries installed before trying to install something. Of course, then you go to get the libraries and they have their own dependencies. This is where I try to use Red Carpet and/or apt-get

My big complaint with Red Had is that they have completely destabilized KDE. I've always used KDE and I've never given Gnome much of a chance. Well, KDE under Red Hat just plain sucks. I know some people say it's fine, but for me it completely destabilizes my system. I get video glitches (GeForce3 Ti-500) and major, slowdowns. When I run various utilities to see what's consuming all the CPU, I see dozens and dozens of KDE related processes - even if I have nothing open. Now I know there's always going to be KDE processes running as long as the desktop is up, but I don't think there should be this many and they certainly shouldn't clobber my CPU.

Finally I gave Gnome a chance. It's been a few days now and I've had absolutely no problems with Gnome. No video glitches and no CPU slowdowns. I'm still running the same programs as I did under KDE. Really weird. Anyway, I don't see a whole lot of difference between KDE and Gnome, which I guess was Red Hat's goal. I'm probably just going to stick with Gnome, as I'm not much of a big desktop person either way. KDE is just what I used first, so I stuck with it.

I'm not knocking KDE at all. I'm sure this is an issue with Red Hat fiddling with KDE. I bet if I were to uninstall Red Hat's KDE and install the standard KDE, all would be fine. But that's too time consuming for me to do these days.

-Dave

[nuxbe]

Yeah, if Red Carpet was out for RH 9.0.... or Mandrake 9.1. Dependencies are cake... rpm -Uvh http://blah.blah.blah... how hard can it be. There's also a great function "rpm -q --whatprovides" (i think) that tells you what package has what you need. Or here's a thought! ./configure, make, make install, make clean. Binaries are easier...

Nuxbe

[saithan]

I'm on Redhat9 right now, Very happy with it in most respects.

Dependency issues have nothing to do with the distro itself but rather the package you are trying to install.

If you are installing new none-base packages you have choices.
if you want to install packages outside the base install then get apt-get which will map dependencies for you. Or road map your own install by tracing all the deps you need your self(not fun)

But the fact is that this has been the case beofre RH9.

I personally only had one issue with redhat9 and that was that zapping errors out bad.
starting it with "zapping --no-plugins" fixed that issues till zapping development fixes it.

I here wine freaks with the glibc security fixes but wines newest version fixes that.

[bosox79]

I am currently running RH9 with KDE & it works great with my setup. I think the reason's for package incompatibility between RH 8&9 is do to the fact that gcc was updated (someone please correct me if I am wrong).

Dependencies are just a fact of life with rpm based distro's, although in my experience this has been getting much better in the short time I have been running Linux as my day to day OS (just about a year now:D ) I don't think the dependencies issues are any worse or better in mandrake 9.0 or SUSE for that matter.
I have tools installed that make my life with RH 9 much easier including yum/apt & freshrpms.net . yum/apt have taken care of most of my dependence issues & I have been able to find most software that I have needed or wanted via apt/yum & there associated repositories. I am even able to update my boxes with out RHN :cool:

just my .02

BTW here are the links I use associated with yum/apt
http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
http://fedora.mplug.org./

[retoon]

more like f- off! this is the kind of stff that makes linux hard to use for people. now everyone is gonna have to go to remake their packages with rh9 support cuz of idiots who use rh are gonna get rh9 with out thinking of the consequences
Idiots? Thanks for that lovely compliment. I also noticed that KDE seems a little weak underneath KDE, but I never really liked it anyway. I am going to step outside my self and just say, watch the name tossing. Those who have read my posts know that I have a tendency to be an a hole when I yell back. Red Hat 9 has been the best distribution I've used so far. I have tried Turbo Linux, Red Hat 7.3, Red Hat 8, Slackware, Debian, Red Hat 8;) , Mandrake 8.2, Red Hat 8, Red Hat 9. Red Hat's applications open a little faster then in 8, font's are wonderful, and there are drivers for my video card that make everything run smoothly. I rally behind Red Hat for the most part because it is the largest linux distribution in use right now. And if any company is going to bring Linux to the world (you people know what I mean), Red Hat will do it.:rolleyes: ;) :cool:

[bwkaz]

Like it or not, the stuff that RedHat introduced in RH 9 (the things that are causing MASSIVE incompatibility problems) are the way Linux is headed!

The biggest difference between RH 8 and 9 is that 9 has glibc 2.3. That's it. They just upgraded their C library.

The other (and this is more minor, but still an issue with stuff like the nVidia drivers) thing they changed is, they backported the thread-local storage functionality from kernel 2.5 into their 2.4.20-8 or 2.4.20-9 or whatever they're calling it now.

Both of these are the way Linux is headed in the future. It's just that RH is a little ahead of the other distros. According to something I read somewhere, "RedHat likes to live on the bleeding edge. Unfortunately, they leave the bleeding to the user".

It's not that they're forcing obsolescence or anything insidious, they're just a little further into the future than almost everyone else (except perhaps Gentoo/LFS/other DIY distros, where you can use this stuff if you want to hunt down the patches) is.

[chatins]

These incompatibilites made me go back to redhat 8 for the time being. Eventually things will catch up :rolleyes:

The problem is that lots of people trying to provide tech support are diverting people to daily build sites and alpha software. The stuff was very unstable. Xine and various versions of realplayer 9 drove me up the wall like the OP is saying.

[nouse66]

Originally posted by -wassup-
well i was talking to a friend online and he was having a lot of dep problems and i have read in a few places about problems with red hat. i havent tried rh9 and i dont plan on it anytime soon.

god damn! your signature is a whole screen long! and thats at 1024x768 resolution...