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gkedrovs
03-29-2003, 07:34 AM
Use A Firewall, Go To Jail (http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html)
Check it out. It's an article I ran across this morning. Short. Nothing is "written in stone," yet, but it kinda seems like more of the jackbooted government tactics against freedom with our toys (i.e. computers).
-gk
if this becomes law and it is required to keep firewalls off, it will be time to open the cover on my computer and remove the networking devices and cancel my subscription at my ISP...
i am not going to open my computer to every henrey that want to poke around inside my computer...
MartinB
03-29-2003, 11:21 AM
I agree. I wouldn't even think about connecting to the Internet on my own machine without my firewall in front of it.
CMonster
03-29-2003, 12:57 PM
Elimination of Encryption & Firewalls would KILL online commerce -it's not likely to happen anytime soon (unless of course we went to a .NET/Passport system where all your sensitive information was held on central "trusted" servers -and who better to do that than Microsoft?).
Consider yourself warned -its coming- -666-
Linux -staving off the apocalypse one computer at a time.
MMYoung
03-29-2003, 12:59 PM
"If you've got nothing to hide why should you be concerned?" Get ready to hear that question from the "Blue Pill" people.
I don't have anything to hide, but I don't want anyone knowing my personal business either.
I agree that the Fed/Gov is behind this and it is just one more way to keep track of what information is passed around via the internet.
Just my thoughts,
Mark M Young
aka MMYoung
plattypus1
03-29-2003, 01:37 PM
Nobody's takin' my router away! Not now, not ever. I'll do the frickin' 30 days.
Everybody go on freshmeat.net and get all the one-floppy router distros you can, we may not be able to soon!
MartinB
03-29-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by MMYoung
"If you've got nothing to hide why should you be concerned?"
My answer to that will be that I don't use a firewall to hide anything, I want to protect my system from malicious crackers.
They won't be able to respond to that.
Whipping Boy
03-30-2003, 10:33 AM
Some things to think about:
1) The way it looks now, it's highly unlikely that this will pass both houses of Congress and be signed into law.
2) Even if it were signed into law, it would be next to impossible to enforce.
3) Even if it could be enforced, most analysts tell us that the first case that made it to the USSC would result in the law being overturned almost instantly (well, as instant as you can get when dealing with the High Court).
Arcane_Disciple
03-30-2003, 02:14 PM
If this were to pass you would see a huge college population begin to riot. I'm not just talking about students either. Your computer would pretty much be useles in school since most colleges run the networks through routers. Many college networks are very restricted as it is since many block the ports for programs such as kazza and neonapster.
If you couldn't tell, I don't so much agree with the whole idea. I have nothing to hide. I am a college CS major. If you really want to steal a program that prints astricks in the shape of a diamond so be it. I use my firewall for personal protection. When I first got cable, there were 4000 attempts to enter my pc in one day. Needless to say I complained and that person no longer has the same ISP, but still, what would have happend if I wasn't using a firewall.
bwkaz
03-30-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by gkedrovs
Nothing is "written in stone," yet, Maybe not where you live:
http://www.michiganlegislature.org/mileg.asp?page=getObject&objName=mcl-750-540c-amended
Michigan law was amended last year sometime (what I don't know is whether it was ever signed by the governor, or if it just "fell through" when Congress was going out of session) to have this kind of wording. However, if you get rid of the "-amended" from that URL, you get the old wording of the law, which is a lot the same. Not entirely, but close. So I'm hoping that since no one has been charged with a felony for NAT yet, they won't be after this goes into effect.
But it is good to know that Windows might be illegal to sell in Michigan as of tomorrow...
It's nice to know that Canada isn't going to be screwed by all the laws in the United States. Canada will yet again be the land of freedom where all companies, schools, and indivudals who want to use the internet can come and protect themselves. After the United States econonmy is based entirely on cotton-growers (who won't have a website) I'm sure they will decide that those laws were kind of foolish. Or heck, maybe you will have another civil war over firewall rights (we know that the side without firewalls will loose because they will get their computers hacked to hell).
Anyway, the above was just the blatherings of a crazy student that can't believe what they were reading a few seconds ago. I'll be off now.;)
El_Cu_Guy
03-31-2003, 01:20 PM
I don't have anything to hide, but I don't want anyone knowing my personal business either.
Your personal business. Gee that's something to hide then isn't it? Is your system password protected? Why? You've got nothing to hide right? I don't wanna see you posting about how someone went looking around your system, got it?
MMYoung
03-31-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by El_Cu_Guy
Your personal business. Gee that's something to hide then isn't it? Is your system password protected? Why? You've got nothing to hide right? I don't wanna see you posting about how someone went looking around your system, got it?
Well obviously I didn't make myself as clear on the subject as needs be.
"Nothing to hide", i.e. any "less the PC (politically correct") information that is on my PC is pretty much public knowledge around where I live anyway. Anything else, isn't on my system.
In the sense that you speak of, i.e. personal business, we ALL have something to hide. To that point, I thought anyway, that I made an arguement for the use of firewalls, without being as specific as I am now.
I use both Linux and Windows. When in Windows I use ZoneAlarm. I have found this to be more than adequate for my needs at present.
My Linux firewall is Guarddog. I'm just learning how to use it but so far I'm quite happy with it. If there is a stronger firewall out there I would sure appreciate any suggestions.
Let me state, for the record, my business is my own. I don't want anyone "peeking" into my system, if for no other reason than to say they did it, than most on this board. As a matter of fact I would consider it tantamount to an invasion of my home. This is just one more, in a littany of legislation, that the paranoia surrounding 9-11 and the beast called the USA PATRIOT ACT (more to come on this one as I hear they are planning an "enhanced" version in the near future) have caused. In the politician's feeble attmept to appear to be doing SOMETHING, they are overracting again.
Having got that out of the way, I was just wondering, if you didn't finish first, what place did you finish ;)?
Just my thoughts,
Mark M Young
aka MMYoung
bwkaz
03-31-2003, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by ssjf
Canada will yet again be the land of freedom where all companies, schools, and indivudals who want to use the internet can come and protect themselves. ... And where all health care is socialized. If it wasn't for that small detail, I'd move there quite rapidly.
;)