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bazoukas
03-25-2003, 07:54 AM
On Thursday our head nacho instructor wants so have a meeting with the students to form a Programmer's Club. Good idea.

Now let me give you some info though.
a) She wants to take Linux Administration (not networking-mostly scripting) out of the course. Yeah good idea since Linux is an OS made by programmers FOR programmers.

b) The majority of the people in MY class ( I dont have a clue whats the deal with the people in the other programming classess) are sluckers. A semester ago I carried on my back three students and they got an A because of the team project that I did from start to end.

c) You tell them that you dont need to warez compilers. You can download the gcc compiler for windows and you are all good to go and they look at me and go "But its not from Microsoft" or "I dont know how to use it". :sigh:

d)You have asked them to start some kind of project that is outside of our school, just for the fun of it and they all go like..."uhh yeah,,,huh?"

END OF BACKGROUND INFO!!!! *And again am talking about the guys in MY class*

Now i have come up with some ideas to lay down on the meeting such us:

A) Have a small shop with CDs where students can copy free compilers and other GPL software (not Linux Software only but windows as well). Include also a small desk info to inform students about other OSs and provide CDs to copy.

B) Create a forum where we can go and exchange ideas, help each other with concepts in Programming and forums of that nature. That way a database will be created and new students can do searches and find answers that are related with what we covered in school instead of going on a wild goose hunt.

C) Have some LAN games so students will also get to know some basics things about networking and also teach on how to build a PC and install an OS.
(Yes, even the best students in there dont have a clue on how to install an OS. Not all of them, but plenty).


My question is this, should I bother saying all this taking into account the background info I gave you in fear of ****[Moderator's edit; profanity doesn't cut it here folks] people just blowing the whole thing up and nothing is to be done?

OR

Just let it be, and work on my own on the background and when I have a proper Forum setup, go to the Dean and whomever needs to know of it and tell them about it and having something ACTUALLY DONE with out the BS and all the rest. You see, am not the person you would want to be a "politician". Not cause am rude. Far from it. I just go around the bull [Moderator's edit; not again?!] and get to the point, and people tend to get ...i dunno....fill in the blank.

Am thinking of laying down the other ideas and keep the forum idea on my own and just show up when am done with it.


Your thoughts?

Thank you

JamminJoeyB
03-25-2003, 10:01 AM
I think the idea of a programmer's club is a good idea, but if all the projects are going to be worked on by a few select knowledgeable people not many will get much from it.

While your idea on where to really start with the club has merit, many of the sluckers as you call them would not be able to grasp the concept as you descibe in your post.

Personally I have always thought of clubs and user groups as places where people would go to seek out those more knowledgeable to assist them with their problems.

While I have never had any formal training on anything computer related, clubs, user groups and friends have helped me increase my knowledge. So if the idea of the club is to work on projects and increase knowledge the strong would have to be paired with the weak. The stronger individuals would have to take on more of a mentoring/leader role then taking over the project just so it gets done.

Also if people are crazy enough to spend good money on software when there is a free alternative, I say let them do it. I'll keep my money. I like food and beer a lot more then software.

gleather
03-25-2003, 10:29 AM
Go for it. Your teacher will be thrilled that one of her students has their brain turned on.

bs_texas
03-25-2003, 12:49 PM
Hmmmmm....

A Programmer's Club in a culinary school.

;)



(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

pythagras
03-25-2003, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by bs_2003
Hmmmmm....

A Programmer's Club in a culinary school.

;)



(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

You fool!! The recipe calls for a linked list!

In all honesty... switch schools. Find a place where people dont roll their eyes at expanding their brains.

richjoyce
03-25-2003, 06:23 PM
Those kind of schools exist?


Asides from private schools (and even there) you are going to find people in classes they don't belong in.

zdude255
03-25-2003, 06:43 PM
I like plan A.

For bonus you could sell some of the free software to them. They'll probably be willing to get more because of that b/c its for profit. (If their half as stupid as you say they are) That could open them up. You should give the distros that are pretty easy to install. RH8 and MDK9.1 look good. If they don't wanna partition or anything you could hand out Knoppix.

Though in general a programming club is not a bad idea. We've had summer programs for students for learning the basics of Java so far. That pays for competition entry fees. Its not gonna be a big club, but it got us in the pep rally with our "Hello World!" banner. We also won 3 computers for the school, all are currently running RedHat 8. 2 w/ AMD Athlon XP, ATI Radeon 9000

Our school's current computers are all sponsered, so we ended up w/ mainly Macs (OS 9 :( ) and Solaris for programming.

JamminJoeyB
03-27-2003, 02:23 PM
Ok, I am one for closure or more details. What happened at the meeting? Any new developments?


Just hate reading a thread with no conclusion.