To All,
If this sort of message shouldn't be posted in this forum, then I'm very sorry to the moderator.
Heres my question to everyone, would anyone be interested in re-writing the linux kernel as a new os that would be able to run Windows, Linux, and Apple software. Another thing I would like to be able to do with this OS is to create two GUI's... One similar to KDE, the other is one where everything is like a 3d desktop in which you move around and open drawers and such to open folders. Anyway, I'm looking for a development team of roughly 10 members to help me out with this.
If you are interested or want more info, please feel free to email me at oubipaws@techie.com
Thanks,
Nick Mercer
dkeav
02-26-2003, 07:25 PM
wouldnt it be easier to port with netbsd, since it can pretty much already run darwin binaries, run linux programs, unix programs, the hardpart would be the mac stuff and windows stuff, not easy without emulation, which would kill performance
JSeibert
02-26-2003, 08:06 PM
This sounds like a fun idea, although I don't know if I'm talented enough to really help out. I'd do what I could though. I'm just curious how legal everything is. It seems to me that if there was no laws protecting Microsofts formats, another corporation would have already done this. Am I mistaken?
Check your email though Nick.
oubipaws
02-26-2003, 10:24 PM
I'm not exactly the most talented coder out there either, I just see this whole project as a challenge and something fun to waste my free time with.
As for the legalness of the whole thing, not quite sure on all of this yet, the main thing for the OS is still the whole 3D desktop system, but I would like to be able to do the emulation. There most likely are laws protecting binaries for microsoft, but with things such as wine, I see no reason why we couldn't build one?
As for porting BSD, I'm personally never used it, I'll have to look into porting somethings onto it.
[Nick Mercer]
oubipaws@techie.com
or
somewhereIbelong@hotmail.com
dungscooperdave
02-26-2003, 10:29 PM
Personally, I think your guys are in for more than you've bargained for...
sharth
02-26-2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by dungscooperdave
Personally, I think your guys are in for more than you've bargained for... Far more :) It will be neat to see what happens.
And if anything, I would think just implement the ability to run the mac binarys from darwin, and then simply work on the win32 binaries. If anything, work on a way to get the windows dlls to be added directly as modules. that would be neat (and a hack :))
dungscooperdave
02-26-2003, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by sharth
Far more :) It will be neat to see what happens.
Yes. :D
4_legged_duck
02-26-2003, 11:01 PM
i'd buy it... think I could talk you guys into making the mascot for this into a duck???:D
dungscooperdave
02-26-2003, 11:07 PM
4_legged_duck, you wouldn't happen to be from Oregon, would you?
oubipaws
02-26-2003, 11:14 PM
haha, a duck, haha i like it, question is can you design it?
as for the whole OS, instead of re-writing the kernel, why not just start a new project for a new linux distribution with the 3d desktop and with the possibilities to run windows and mac programs.
I agree with you guys that say we are in way over our heads, haha no kidding... but what is this darwin thing you guys keep talking about? Something to do with BSD? I've never personally used BSD, always used Red Hat or Slackware...
4_legged_duck
02-26-2003, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by dungscooperdave
4_legged_duck, you wouldn't happen to be from Oregon, would you?
nay, i'm in denver... I got the name from a picture on my desktop... and no I can't design it, but I can get it designed, really quickly too. My girlfriend is an artist.
oubipaws
02-26-2003, 11:34 PM
you give me a pic, then yeah, I dont care, I guess every os needs a mascot right? :p
oh yeah, would anybody be willing to set up a linux box for us? so called sponsor us, except you'd only be giving us a server... Nothing fancy, just a old box with like a 5 gig hard drive and a a basic linux install, apache, php 4, mysql...
If you could help me out with that part I would be really thankful, if your interested please email me at:
somewhereIbelong@hotmail.com
[Nick Mercer]
dkeav
02-27-2003, 01:28 AM
darwin is the underlying unix layer of the mac os x series, its based on freebsd, its opensource so you can do whatever you want with it, right now there is a project with netbsd to port in darwin and make it run macosx binaries but its far from anything more than just getting a few simple console apps to recognize the core
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 11:06 AM
so darwin would be able to run "some" mac apps correct? If so thats awesome, because then we could just build the os with a linux kernel, port darwin, and then build a windows emulator into the os.... Very interesting
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 02:20 PM
yeah, it's being worked on... say, do you think you could save me some trouble and build an msn messenger client into the system??? please!!!!
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 02:47 PM
Thanks 4_legged_duck for getting the duck designed... as for the msn messenger, do you just mean that you would like it preinstalled instead of having to install it yourself? I personally use:
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
I was thinking about trying to include it in the os
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 02:52 PM
Name: still in need of this, haha this is not my area, advice is welcome
General Info For Version 0.01a.... (Not Coming For A While Still Though.... estimated release, sometime during the summer for version 0.1a, and thats with alot of help)
(Starting Supplies)
Kernel 2.4.18
GCC 3.2
XFree86 4.2.0
KDE 3.1
Tanna 0.1(GUI Similar To KDE)
Shadow 0.1 (3D Desktop)
Still do not have a website or a server for this project :( mucho thanks to any help i can get with that
yinrunning
02-27-2003, 03:08 PM
Hey, duck: GAIM!! has plugins for every chat client under the sun, including msn.
I'm not the most talented coder ever, in fact I can't say that I know anything about any actual binary language (C, etc.). Put I can write a mean Perl script, I have some very cool graphics programs, and I'd love to at least give it a tinker in my free time.
Name? Why not Dux? The mascot could be a four-legged duck who juggles. :D
yinrunning
02-27-2003, 03:10 PM
P.S. also do web programming. As soon as I get a server set up to run out of my house, I'd volunteer some disk space. If it ever got healthy enough to get some donations/grants/whatever, I'm sure an actual host could be arranged.
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 03:39 PM
Dux Linux... with a duck mascot... i like it :p
Yinrunning --> yeah man if you want to help. that would be awesome, I mean I'm going to need everything from graphics to perl. Perl is one of my week areas so I really dont know much about it :( but I'm sure we could figure something out.
as for a server, I have multiple old i386 boxes and extra spare hardware, its just i only have dial up so I can't host it :( but maybe we could work something out...
[Lunch Time] Be Back later guys....
S0ulDaDdY
02-27-2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by dkeav
a wise man once said "it is better to meet girl in park, than to park meat in girl"
LOL!!!!!!!
brilliant:):):)
bwkaz
02-27-2003, 04:57 PM
I've got some Apache space you can use until May when I gradumatate, if you want. Heck, I'll even give you shell access (though I'll need to know a specific IP or range of IPs to let through my firewall for ssh...) if you want. FTP uploads are a no-no, but ssh/scp/sftp are all fine.
The only DNS name pointing at the right IP now, though, is 3dguios.resnet.mtu.edu, so you may want to think about registering something else.
Whatever. PM me if you're interested.
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 05:25 PM
Hey Yinrunning, would you be interested in doing a web page for Dux Linux?
nothing fancy, just whatever you have time to do, If your interested, let me know. Thanks
... gotta get going to work, be back this evening.
[Nick Mercer]
somewhereIbelong@hotmail.com
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
Thanks 4_legged_duck for getting the duck designed... as for the msn messenger, do you just mean that you would like it preinstalled instead of having to install it yourself? I personally use:
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
I was thinking about trying to include it in the os
pre installed... amsn was the first thing I installed on linux, and for anyone that didn't catch my previous thread, it took me two days to figure out how to install (i'm still so ashamed, and I call myself a computer nerd)
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
Name: still in need of this, haha this is not my area, advice is welcome
hmm, could be if you know the latin word for "all in harmony", provided it sounded cool
here's my four legged duck, not the one for the mascot....
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by yinrunning
Hey, duck: GAIM!! has plugins for every chat client under the sun, including msn.
so where do I find a plugin of msn messenger for gaim???
eznet
02-27-2003, 06:07 PM
This works on my system.
Start GAIM.
Before signing on, on the login screen is a "plugins" button on the lower right. Press that, then on the next screen (which is pretty blank) press the "Load" button.
This opens another window with the contents of my plugin list in /usr/lib/gaim directory. There's one in there called libmsn.so
Select that, then click OK.
HTH,
eznet
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by eznet
This works on my system.
Start GAIM.
Before signing on, on the login screen is a "plugins" button on the lower right. Press that, then on the next screen (which is pretty blank) press the "Load" button.
This opens another window with the contents of my plugin list in /usr/lib/gaim directory. There's one in there called libmsn.so
Select that, then click OK.
HTH,
eznet
rockin!!! this works better then amsn
eznet
02-27-2003, 06:29 PM
Glad you like it, 4_l_d.
Another option is to install Codeweaver's plug-in, and install Trillian from their menu. Trillian is a Windows multi-platform IM client.
Of course, if you like GAIM, why bother with all that? :)
eznet
StaticDischarge
02-27-2003, 06:31 PM
Hey, I'd love to help however I can...
I know HTML and (dont laugh) Basic.
I am also starting ITT Tech in September for Programming, so I'll have access to their resources...plus teachers, students and possibly some kind of grant.
I am also halfway descent with graphics if you need any help with that.
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 06:34 PM
would you guys make up a list of software you would like to be added in the os? Preinstalled type stuff...
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
would you guys make up a list of software you would like to be added in the os? Preinstalled type stuff... hmm, your making it windows compatible right? why not add an automated crashing utility...:D
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 06:45 PM
haha, put plent of Micro$oft bashing in it :p :p
definently have to include the Bonk edition of Opera :p
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
haha, put plent of Micro$oft bashing in it :p :p
definently have to include the Bonk edition of Opera :p
weeeee... now you can access all of your favorite products for micrshaft winblows... and now for the first time ever, mac os X... don't worry, you can still use real software via linux
oubipaws
02-27-2003, 09:11 PM
haha, perfect motto for the OS
4_legged_duck
02-27-2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
haha, perfect motto for the OS
jsut say it's moo
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 12:04 AM
Dux Linux....
Mascot --> 4 legged duck who says "moo" :p :p
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 03:51 PM
can anyone design a stylish little banner to go on the top of the site for Dux Linux? If so thanks....
Hey 4_legged_duck, does your girlfriend like want any money or anything for designing the duck?
4_legged_duck
02-28-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
can anyone design a stylish little banner to go on the top of the site for Dux Linux? If so thanks....
Hey 4_legged_duck, does your girlfriend like want any money or anything for designing the duck?
nope, she's doing it for me :D
StaticDischarge
02-28-2003, 05:21 PM
Just threw something together...hows it look? Any changes?
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 05:27 PM
the banners awesome StaticDischarge, only thing I need you to fix later if you dont mind is that 4_legged_duck is getting his girlfriend to design a new 4 legged duck, so when we get that, would you mind putting that on the banner?
StaticDischarge
02-28-2003, 05:38 PM
no problem whatsoever, just let me know
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 05:40 PM
So, what'r we doin for the project? I know a win32 programmer who might be interested if we can get something started.
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 05:42 PM
hey yinrunning, I'm getting ready to email a site I worked on today to see what you think of it... wait never mind, I'll post it on here...
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 05:44 PM
Yeah man, we can use any body who wants to help, win32 programmer could come in handy because we will need people to work with the windows files.
StaticDischarge
02-28-2003, 06:17 PM
if you want the banner to not look so smooshed, let me know what size you want it, and I can resize it and clean it up
also, if you need any help with the website, I am well versed in HTML and would be more than happy to help with it
otherwise, it looks great!!!
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 06:26 PM
yeah I can always use your help, but I want to get the webserver set up so we have somewhere to work at, and then yeah I would love to have someone else helping with the site, plus yeah once we get the site ready, we'll get the banner sized right, but untill then, can you think of anything else that should be on the site?
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 07:20 PM
looks good so far. Just needs some tweakin, posishin, and not so many "Coming soon"'s. *heehee* I'll be getting my home site more set up over the weekend. I'll let you know about space as soon as it's ready.
In the meantime, I've got some extra space over at yinrunning.com we could use to park it for now, if you like. I can upload it to there if that's cool.
btw - I'm already resizing the banners in Dreamweaver. :D
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 07:21 PM
btw - mind if I add some style sheets and snaz it up a bit?
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 07:36 PM
I have a free pro hosting place we can put it for now, its like 50 megs, that should last us a little while, then we can move it onto your server.
Yeah you can do what ever you want to it, and Static Discharge wanted to do some stuff on the site to. But yeah i dont care, you dont even have to use that design, its just something I was playing around with.
dungscooperdave
02-28-2003, 07:43 PM
Are you guys sure you know what you're getting into.....?
pnuts
02-28-2003, 07:49 PM
I will help it any way I can but I can't code. sorry! I will do anything else.
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 07:58 PM
Are you guys sure you know what you're getting into.....?
No, but it'll sure be fun to find out!! :D And if it hits the skids, we'll still all be more educated for trying.
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 08:01 PM
btw, completely unrelated, but could someone check out a form I just finished and try to "break" it for me? Look for some id10t errors I haven't thought of?
http://66.96.251.8/info/01_02members_app.html
basicaly, the stuff on the left.
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 08:26 PM
yeah, i this project is way over our heads, this I know, but who says it can't be done, and like yinrunning said, if it hits the skids, we will have been better educated.
4_legged_duck
02-28-2003, 08:33 PM
just a quick thought... if you guys are going to be using that pic... should we be getting permission from the artist? I can ask if needed (and no, my girlfriend didn't do that one, somebody else did)
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 09:30 PM
Shouldn't be necessary. We'll be using the other as soon as it's done, right? Unless he/she wants us to use it?
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 09:30 PM
Shouldn't be necessary. We'll be using the other as soon as it's done, right? Unless he/she wants us to use it?
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 09:34 PM
yeah the banner will be changed to the one your g\f does, not the other one.
4_legged_duck
02-28-2003, 09:43 PM
killer... say, do you think we can fit the words "I Like Cheese" in there somewhere... just to proove that linux people have a sense of humor (as if this already wasn't kind of amusing)
oh yeah, and she said she might try some of those movie files... say, when our beloved mascot is done... could we hold a contest for that dux movie?
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 09:49 PM
Yeah, I think once we get the mascot out, we should post all over the place, get like all kinds of stuff, screen savers, movies, etc. It would be an interesting contest, lots of odd ideas I bet.
yinrunning
02-28-2003, 11:32 PM
Remember, kids. We still need to plan out how to put together a distro (said the crusty school-marm.)
oubipaws
02-28-2003, 11:46 PM
yeah, we have to keep our heads in the right area.... but "all work and no play does the body bad :P "
anyway... heres what I'm thinking, why don't we build a very basic os, just a kernel, gcc, basic stuff, and a simple gui like windowmaker, and work from there... anybody got any better ideas?
yinrunning
03-01-2003, 12:24 AM
cool. Give me something to do, boss. :)
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 12:40 AM
Ok... newest info:
I'm picking up a old box from my friends house on monday when he gets back, here are the specs:
2 gig hard drive
32 mb ram
133 mhz (yay :P )
10/100 ethernet card
just a basic crap computer that I can run LFS on, and then connect to my dell to do work with. We need to decide on versions and what files to include in the first beta release... kernel version, gui, and things like that.
after that, on tuesday when I go back to school I'll upload it to somewhere (someone want to tell me where?) and then we can all start digging in to what we are comfortable working on... sound good?
2ndsign
03-01-2003, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by oubipaws
haha, a duck, haha i like it, question is can you design it?
as for the whole OS, instead of re-writing the kernel, why not just start a new project for a new linux distribution with the 3d desktop and with the possibilities to run windows and mac programs.
I agree with you guys that say we are in way over our heads, haha no kidding... but what is this darwin thing you guys keep talking about? Something to do with BSD? I've never personally used BSD, always used Red Hat or Slackware...
cant do its not not legal.your talking about closed source code here.theres wine, and winex ,and why the hell anyone would want to emulate mac programs is beyond me!:(
better yet give up windows fully.youll see in the future more linux games on the market!just give it time!M$ is going to hang themselves with longhorn.personally dont hate M$ its just the whole system sucks.anything i cant do in M$ i can always do in linux.
better yet think about creating your own linux distro along your lines of thought!
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 01:01 AM
what is closed source code? the kernel? wine? darwin?
As for why would anyone personally want to port mac programs.. maybe because some people have macs, and maybe the would like to try linux but are afraid to jump over due to they dont want to loose their current software. Also the same goes for windows people, i dont like windows, but thousands of people do, and they will not switch unless they can use windows apps.
better yet think about creating your own linux distro along your lines of thought!
what exactly do you mean by that?
2ndsign
03-01-2003, 03:12 AM
build your own distro with mac and windows emulation!
if you can code well then code a distro from scratch!
you may think you cant but i think you can do it!!;)
good luck
oh and after your success i want a cut!:D
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 03:16 AM
eh, that illegal code has to be out there somewhere... I'm sure with the way that people are corrupt (you know who you are) :D
yinrunning
03-01-2003, 03:24 AM
oh and after your success i want a cut!
NO CHEERING!!! JUST HELPING!!!! ;)
oblio
03-01-2003, 04:19 AM
It's like watching a car racing towards a cliff and you could yell out but you kind of want to see it.
GnomeProject
03-01-2003, 04:58 AM
I would be interested in designing the WebSite if you wouldn't mind? Also, if you need some graphics I have done a lot of graphics design (most recent job was for a group at NASA-Goddard...but the site isn't complete yet). Hit (e-mail) me back if you are interested please...
Later,
Adam
MMA
03-01-2003, 07:17 AM
I want to help too.
I don't know how to code. But i can help with testing and writing the documents.
But now, becuase i've got exams. But once you have that first beta going. I'll be there to test it :D:D
Maybe even, try to code some of it (only small bits, i don't know much, but i'm a fast learner when i have a goal to aim at)
MMA
03-01-2003, 07:25 AM
ALSO:
We need to setup IRC, or someother chat service. So that we can discuss together in realtime.
We need a leader!
we need someone who is in contact of everyone, and knows whats going on. We can't just jump into this, without a leader. It will come apart very soon. Every one would want there own way.
We need some kind of structure.
I have lots of ideas to contribute. I will contribute them once the first beta comes out.
PS: when i said a "leader" i don't mean me :D:D:D:D
But its nice to know that people thought about that :D:D:D:D:D
MMA
03-01-2003, 07:27 AM
It seems that http://www.dux.org and http://www.dux.com is available :D:D
mdwatts
03-01-2003, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by oubipaws
If this sort of message shouldn't be posted in this forum, then I'm very sorry to the moderator.
Just to answer your question concerning whether posting this type of question in /dev/random is appropriate.
Actually this type of question is perfect for the new improved /dev/random and exactly what we would like to see /dev/random to be used for.
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 09:00 AM
2nd Sign --> I had already started a project like you mention a while ago, problem was that we never got off the ground and it failed miserably.
But like MMA said we do need to have some sort of structure before just jumping in.
As for realtime chat, I dont know what else everybody has, but I have AIM and MSN, I can get IRC if everyone else wants to meet up on it.
Domain name... I realized how cheap those things were this morning, only thing is, I'm not going to buy it until we see if we have a server to forward the domain to.
Also should it be:
duxlinux.org?
dux.org?
other?
TimeLine:
1) I think we need to figure out exactly what we want to do with this project, then we'll get the site up
2)find developers
3)release first beta
4)then work on all the things we want to do with the os
5)release alot more betas
6)then release full version :)
sound good to everybody?
2ndsign
03-01-2003, 09:34 AM
remember your idea grows with other peoples contributions.
linux is not one persons idea in sum! it thousands of thousands of peoples ideas!
think about that!!:cool:
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 09:41 AM
and thats the reason I want people to spread the word around about this project... so that I can get other peoples ideas and contributions, and no I dont mean like Micro$oft, I'm not stealing their ideas, it'll be just like the normal linux dist, they'll get credit for what ever they do.
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 12:05 PM
ok... I should be getting my girlfriend to make that logo today... as for your leader, I think (just an idea) you should get somebody that know's linux pretty good, but isn't gettting to be helping with the actual coding... that way, that one person can keep track of all you guys whilst doing this, after all, since they're not coding, the have free time. (and no, this doesn't imply me either... remember, I said someone that knows linux well).
although, it's just an idea... otherwise I'd say oubipaws, since your the one that came up with the idea, and are kind of already moderating the whole project. I look very much forward to seeing this work.
zdude255
03-01-2003, 12:26 PM
I think you should start with a sourceforge.net hosting. Its what a lot of people use. You get a webpage, a CVS tree and file hosting. Best of all its free. If this gets big you can get a real site but a sourceforge.net is good for now. The only catch is that it has to be open source, but not alot of linux developers mind that.
On the project I think this is ALOT more than you bargained for, but I won't try to stop you. This sounds alot like Lindows though, just try to have more success then them.
Good Luck (And alot of patience)
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 12:40 PM
Project Manager --> definently not me, I just want the all around type guy who is kind of in charge of the project, but not the one who organizes all events, you know what I mean? but like 4_l_d said, we need a linux guy who knows alot, and I mean alot about linux.
Sourceforge --> I have used it in the past and I've liked it, but its hard to get a project approved, but once approved the service is very nice, it provides everything necessary, including lots of space and free publicity.
Doesn't like it? I read the comments as constructive criticism.
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 12:55 PM
I was just joking (hince the smily)... but seriously, I tend to agree with him a little bit. I mean Lindows did have alot of money, and then did have alot of bugs, I dont have alot of money.
Maybe we should build a linux distribution with other things that set it apart from other OS's... then later, if we want to, we can add windows emulation and mac emulation, but we dont advertise it as such. Just a thought.
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 01:04 PM
3d window manager --> haha ones already made
http://www.3dwm.org
we should put that in the os :D (with approval off course)
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 01:15 PM
so should the twisted 4 legged duck still be jugeling? or shall it just be a take off from tux...???
GnomeProject
03-01-2003, 01:17 PM
Can someone tell me whether or not I can be the assitant webmaster??? thanks...
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 02:02 PM
4_l_d ... if she hasn't already done the design, have her do it with out please, I'm sorry to make this change so sudden, but the guy made a good point, we can't jump into this thing saying that we are going to do this, when in reality, we dont know if we can, dont get me wrong, we're still going to try, but just in time, not right now.
as for assistant webmaster guy... previous work?
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 02:25 PM
Hey guys, serious question to those of you helping with the os, not just the coders...
What are your goals that you wish to accomplish from Dux?
ex: "I would like to be able to have seperate directories and icons for each desktop"
not: "to crush microsoft"
I need this stuff asap so that I will have it to present to sourceforge.net so we can get a server set up.
Thanks.
dungscooperdave
03-01-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by yinrunning
btw, completely unrelated, but could someone check out a form I just finished and try to "break" it for me? Look for some id10t errors I haven't thought of?
http://66.96.251.8/info/01_02members_app.html
basicaly, the stuff on the left.
You could maybe make it so that when you it gives you an error message or something when you enter in a negative number in the "Total Contribution" text entry box. This is basically the only problem I could find with it, other than the fact that it doesn't have a submit button. (Although I think this was probably intentional anyway.)
yinrunning
03-01-2003, 05:03 PM
knew I was forgetting something. Thanks.
Yeah, a cgi submit would take too long to set up with the "infrastructure" (i.e. - lack thereof) they're dealing with, and plus they've gotta mail in their check, cuz ain't no WAY I'm setting up online payments for this site.
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 05:16 PM
first and foremost... i'm not a junior grasshopper anymore... yay!!
a cool feature I thought of just now... a media player integrated into the system, with the option of replacing the wallpaper with a play list... so when you hit the "show desktop" button on the kicker... the playlist shows... I like to have a clear desktop when I do alot of stuff... or even an option to minimise all other windows when alt-tabbing between programs
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 05:21 PM
something like that sounds awesome, especially to a music fanatic like me :D
dungscooperdave
03-01-2003, 05:40 PM
Actually, you could expand that idea to allow any program to redirect its output to the desktop in a similar fashion. Just a thought.
oubipaws
03-01-2003, 05:46 PM
redirecting output of a program to the desktop, that could allow for some ;) interesting ;) backgrounds
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
redirecting output of a program to the desktop, that could allow for some ;) interesting ;) backgrounds
that could allow for some unparalled applications... or not... but that sounds cool dungscooperdave
2ndsign
03-01-2003, 06:46 PM
take a look at what a friend of mine has made!go here (http://www.undeadlinux.com)
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by 2ndsign
take a look at what a friend of mine has made!go here (http://www.undeadlinux.com)
dude... I was just looking at that a little bit ago. It looks cool, but I don't think I have the knowledge, nor the system to leave mandrake. Otherwise I'd give it a try. I found another pocket pc/linux thing... there is a team of people making a version of linux that can be installed over the OS of the compaq ipaq... I think the one that comes with the zaurus looks better, but functionality is key.
I also don't think I've been keeping up with technology very well, I just found a 1 gig CF card (it's a microdrive). I'm enlisting soon, and when I get out of basic, these are two things I'm gonna buy. That's so cool...
MMA
03-01-2003, 07:05 PM
I would like a desktop manager that looks a bit like Openbox, in that when you like click on the desktop you get menu's. But i also want the desktop icons. Not a ****ty seperate thing like idesk. I want it so that when i go to KDE or Gnome i still have the same icons.
It has to be able to run KDE/Gnome apps like its running on its own desktop manager.
Stuff like Xmms IRC Gaim and Amsn, should be intergrated. as in there's a system trey icon for them. So that i can minimize and see that icos like in windows.
I want gkrellm to be like its stuck to the desktop, once i possition it, i want it to stay there. It should be like a desktop wallpaper, so that it doesn't get in the way.
i DEFINATELY want a starup feature. where i can choose whch programs to start, where they should be placed and if they are minimised, or shaded.
i want... i want.... i want...........
...... more coming soon :D:D:D:D
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 07:20 PM
hey mma... just saw your latest pic, and was just wondering... have you ever seen the matrix?:D
MMA
03-01-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by 4_legged_duck
hey mma... just saw your latest pic, and was just wondering... have you ever seen the matrix?:D
Actually that screenshot is very old. I was just thinking about making another screenshot. I haven't used Linux since i made that screenshot. I reinstalled gentoo and will update the link for my new screenshot.
Only problem is, i lost my perl script that i used to make that beauty of a screenshot. I'm gonna either manually add it, or make another screenshot. :D:D:D
AND, ofcourse i watched it. Come on. I don't think you can call your self a computer geek if you never seen Matrix
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by MMA
AND, ofcourse i watched it. Come on. I don't think you can call your self a computer geek if you never seen Matrix
me, a computer nerd... nah, get out of town. Oh wait, I did see that... oh well, guess I will just have to live with myself:D
2ndsign
03-01-2003, 09:53 PM
hey dude ive been a linux user for only 6 months and i started with mandrake 9.im using evil entity just fine!give it a try!!:)
4_legged_duck
03-01-2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by 2ndsign
hey dude ive been a linux user for only 6 months and i started with mandrake 9.im using evil entity just fine!give it a try!!:)
i've been using linux for 6 days now... besides, I don't have any cds that big. I would want to install it via cd if I did... but we'll see
2ndsign
03-01-2003, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by 4_legged_duck
i've been using linux for 6 days now... besides, I don't have any cds that big. I would want to install it via cd if I did... but we'll see
dude just download the iso it took me a week to download evil entity and two weeks for mandrake!!:)
the distro similair to slackware but its not slack.it wouldnt be fair to call it slack because its not!slackwares its own distro and so is evil entity!!;)
4_legged_duck
03-02-2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by 2ndsign
dude just download the iso it took me a week to download evil entity and two weeks for mandrake!!:)
the distro similair to slackware but its not slack.it wouldnt be fair to call it slack because its not!slackwares its own distro and so is evil entity!!;)
alright alright alright... i'm on it I'm on it... and it took me 3 hours to donwload mandrake :D
2ndsign
03-02-2003, 03:55 AM
thats what ive been telling you!!
you can use the linux kernel to build an OS!
this is the best idea i think!!
nuff said!:)
Resident_Geek
03-02-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by yinrunning
btw, completely unrelated, but could someone check out a form I just finished and try to "break" it for me? Look for some id10t errors I haven't thought of?
http://66.96.251.8/info/01_02members_app.html
basicaly, the stuff on the left.
Well, make sure you check total's value in the processing script - as it is, I could put any value I wanted in total and submit. Other than that, it looks good.
oubipaws
03-02-2003, 01:47 PM
Sent in sourceforge project request yesterday afternoon for Dux Linux, and I still am waiting for a response, chances are I will not find out until tomorrow due to the fact that I dont know if they work on weekends or not because when I signed up it said:
"you should have a response within two business days (mon-fri)"
so maybe on monday we will find out, but heres what all the people cant code get to:
4_legged_duck --> you already know I'm setting you up as a moderator for the forum and as a brainstormer
anyone else (unless you guys have something else in mind) --> You guys all know somethings that you would like to have in the os, and here is your task:
~ Research your idea --> find examples, resources, tools, etc.
~ Find people who can help with doing it if its something thats not an easy task.
as of right now, we are going to have 3 guys working on the website, so we really dont need anymore web guys.
we still need alot of developers who want to help with the project.
we still need quite a few artists for bannners and such, but artist are needed as much right now because all the work we have for them is the website stuff.
we need alot of people who know alot about linux to kind of stand by and advise us on what we should and should not do.
By next saturday I hope to have the website up, forums up, chat rooms up, CVS set up, and I would also like to have a basic idea of what we are including in the os:
~ Kernel Version
~ GCC Version
~ KDE 3.1 ????
~ Do we want GNOME?
~ 3d WM?
~ etc...
I start classes back tomorrow, so my free time during the week is going to be limited for a couple weeks because I am also finishing up a few extra unix night courses. During the weekends will be my prime time to work on it, but we still need to get something done during the week so that we dont fall behind. So anyone who wants to step and handle being me during the week :p, please let me know.... possibly you 4_l_d? let me know, or anyone else.
[no hurry guys, just curious]
yinrunning --> hows the finished site coming?
4_l_d --> hows the mascot coming?
2nd sign --> how much do you know about this kind of stuff? you interested in working on the project?
Ok, I've got to go out to get a few more books for my classes tomorrow, I'll be on aim later on this evening and I'll be back on the boards.
AIM S\n --> oubipaws
email: oubipaws@myrealbox.com (prefer email here )
or: somewhereIbelong@hotmail.com
4_legged_duck
03-02-2003, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
4_legged_duck --> you already know I'm setting you up as a moderator for the forum and as a brainstormer
By next saturday I hope to have the website up, forums up, chat rooms up, CVS set up, and I would also like to have a basic idea of what we are including in the os:
~ Kernel Version
~ GCC Version
~ KDE 3.1 ????
~ Do we want GNOME?
~ 3d WM?
~ etc...
4_l_d --> hows the mascot coming?[/email]
I know :D
yes GNOME, I like to tinker between kde and gnome (kde is my fav of the two)
She started the mascot last night... she doesn't know if she wants to hand draw it, or draw it all from photoshop.
oubipaws
03-02-2003, 03:54 PM
4_L_D --> I"m in no hurry, I was just curious
What do you all think:
I'm think about 4 large scale gui's need to be installed:
GNOME
KDE
3D WM
Window Maker
Then later on down the road, we can build our own once we have a larger crowd interested.
3 Options to get applications:
apt-get if it can be ported over
RPM's
source
yinrunning --> that crystal space is something we should look into, for games, for window managers, for everything, it could come in handy for 3D items.
Mailing lists ... these are also coming soon, forgot that in my last post
pnuts
03-02-2003, 03:59 PM
If you are thinking about RPMS, then urpmi is the best rpm system around. When fully set up then it is the same as apt-get. I will help this project in any way I can: adivce and documention. Good Luck!:D
MMA
03-02-2003, 04:04 PM
In source based feature, i recommend implementing Gentoo's Portage AND (maybe or) Sorceror's Grimoire. These are the two best source based package managers, i have come across. Especially Gentoo's portage. That HAS to be implemented.
oubipaws
03-02-2003, 04:22 PM
Hey guys, can you possibly find some resources / documentation for those and send it to me or either post it on here.
Thanks
yinrunning
03-02-2003, 04:31 PM
I'll be around alot this week, I think, and I'm emailing back and forth with oubipaws, so if anyone has off-the-wall questions, I'll get to them, too.
oubi, sorry, busy weekend. Got a few more things to do today, then I'll has on the site tonight and during the week. I decided to start from scratch, so I'm redoing all the tables and all that. Turned out to be kinda convoluted the way VB or whatever it was marked it up.
So, hang in there. :)
Anyone who's sending site art to oubi cc a copy to me, too, or post it here. I have PS, Macromedia Studio, PSP, few other things if you're worried about format. Course, regular jpg/gif will be quicker to stick in the page and send you a screenshot.
oubipaws
03-02-2003, 05:25 PM
Its no big deal about the site, just whenever you get around to it... If we get the sourceforge account, I'm just going to go ahead and set up forums on it so we can get out of just linux forums. Then whenever you finish, you can just upload it.
Yeah when i posted the site, I wasn't thinking how big of a pain it is to convert VS .Net into Dreamweaver (or similar apps).. sorry
4_legged_duck
03-02-2003, 05:52 PM
can we have the option to move the kicker/taskbar around to other corners of the desktop... I don't do that, but some people like to put it elsewhere... i think, besides, I don't know if it's already an option.
oubipaws
03-02-2003, 05:58 PM
KDE allows that... as for GNOME, I have no clue, dont use it.
MMA
03-02-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by 4_legged_duck
can we have the option to move the kicker/taskbar around to other corners of the desktop... I don't do that, but some people like to put it elsewhere... i think, besides, I don't know if it's already an option.
You can do that with gnome-panel. but i don't think it works with KDE's kicker.
oubipaws
03-02-2003, 06:14 PM
I just logged into kde to check and you can move the kicker around to each side of the screen and you can also resize the kicker (length & width)
4_legged_duck
03-02-2003, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
I just logged into kde to check and you can move the kicker around to each side of the screen and you can also resize the kicker (length & width)
how do you do that without changing the icon size
yinrunning
03-04-2003, 03:42 PM
So, how's things goin? Anyone find anything to start digging into yet?
I was looking at some of the crystalspace screenshots, and that stuff is pretty sweet. (sourceforge project of the month)
MMA
03-04-2003, 06:11 PM
More i WANT, I WANT, I WANT :):):):)
I want mozilla, or someother browser (i want to be able to choose) to my default browser in alWM. including KDE and GNOME.
I definitely want all those MP3, NTFS etc etc support, stuff that redhat didn't want included in the main installed.
There should be a very good updater, of the whole system. ALSO a fantastic and very quick updater for security updates. So that i can do that maybe once a week, or even daily.
I want lotsa, lotsa, lotsa DOCS. Which i will be helping with, i will do my best and will put my own experience into it.
I would love to have a default 'keygrabber', it doesn't matter which one. But there should be one for all Window managers. This is so that i can use all my media and internet buttons on my keyboard, and be able to use it on Linux, conifgure it how ever i like.
More I WANT, I WANT, IWANT coming soon :D:D:D:D
MMA
03-04-2003, 06:12 PM
Is anyone making a list here. Becuase after an hour, i won't be able to remember what i said here :D:D:D
StaticDischarge
03-04-2003, 06:51 PM
Hey MMA:
Awesome website. Looks like you put a lot of time into it. Cant wait till it's done!
MMA
03-04-2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by StaticDischarge
Hey MMA:
Awesome website. Looks like you put a lot of time into it. Cant wait till it's done!
I guess, keep waiting :D:D:D:D:D
I lost all my .fla files. and so i can't edit that.
I started another website in flash also. This ones in my server, here check it out (if its on) http://mooktaking.homeip.net
I'm especially proud of the MP3 player :):)
Extreme_Toad
03-04-2003, 07:45 PM
I WANT TO!!!!
Games! We have to have games! Windoze game support!!
Good luck!
yinrunning
03-04-2003, 09:53 PM
1) - Mooktakim is now our official chief seargent brainstormer.
2) - Yes, we are making a list.... where did I put that file?? :D
3) - Why Windoze games? I mean, hurrah for winex and all, but how bout we make our OWN games as part of the 3D aspects of the distro???? i.e. - if this is going to be a 3D Linux environment, then it's not going to be aimed at the same crowd as the super-micro, cut back, "bring me your tired, your hungry, your really really old processors" distros. Many already have a handle on that end of things.
This would be a ramped-UP, "Hey, how 'bout that new video card setup we just wrote drivers for?" kind of distro. Build it to be optimized to stuff that's going on right now in hardware, and extensible for the future. Gaming NATIVELY would be a perfectly natural extension of those ideals.
MMA
03-04-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by yinrunning
1) - Mooktakim is now our official chief seargent brainstormer.
2) - Yes, we are making a list.... where did I put that file?? :D
3) - Why Windoze games? I mean, hurrah for winex and all, but how bout we make our OWN games as part of the 3D aspects of the distro???? i.e. - if this is going to be a 3D Linux environment, then it's not going to be aimed at the same crowd as the super-micro, cut back, "bring me your tired, your hungry, your really really old processors" distros. Many already have a handle on that end of things.
This would be a ramped-UP, "Hey, how 'bout that new video card setup we just wrote drivers for?" kind of distro. Build it to be optimized to stuff that's going on right now in hardware, and extensible for the future. Gaming NATIVELY would be a perfectly natural extension of those ideals.
Seargent? OOOoohhh i like the sound of that :cool:
AAALLLRRIIGHHTT!!! TROOOPPSS!!!
I want brains, AND I WANT THEM NOW!!!
Thats an order soldier, get those noodles working.
If i don't atleast two idea from each person here, your gonna do 10 press-ups!!!
TROOOPPP!!!! MOVE OUT!!!
yinrunning
03-05-2003, 01:05 AM
http://cloud.prohosting.com/redllama//duxtest/
Temporary (till we get somewhere official) main site page. Very VERY introductory design/content, and NONE of the linked pages are there yet, sorry.
Still waiting for art, we need to pick some colors, etc. Just slapping something together for now. Check it out, though, and please make commentary.
P.S. - ignore the prohosting banner up top, won't be there once we get somewhere real. (free baner-paid server)
yinrunning
03-05-2003, 01:06 AM
pps - I HAAAAATE IT when I accidenally double-click the Submit button. *NNEEEEEDDDD SSSLLLEEEEEPPPP!!!!*
*------------------------------------------------*
Hint from moderator gnomes who come in the middle of the night and make everything ok again:
You have the ability to delete your own posts.
Thats nice actualy. All the correct inf, and sections, are there. Very good.
Now we need to spice it up, with nice graphics and stuff.
This isn'st my field of experties :)
Ludootje
03-05-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by oubipaws
you give me a pic, then yeah, I dont care, I guess every os needs a mascot right? :p
oh yeah, would anybody be willing to set up a linux box for us? so called sponsor us, except you'd only be giving us a server... Nothing fancy, just a old box with like a 5 gig hard drive and a a basic linux install, apache, php 4, mysql...
If you could help me out with that part I would be really thankful, if your interested please email me at:
somewhereIbelong@hotmail.com
Yeah, we know. oubi already put in our entry for sourceforge.
StaticDischarge
03-05-2003, 11:09 AM
I need to be able to play my Windoze games. I just wish I could do it without loading up that crap. As I'm sure many other people feel the same way. I wish there was a way to play them in Linux without using an emulator. Hopefully Dux will fix that.
Maybe Dux will finally make game companies see how awesome their games can run in Linux. Do I sense a revolution of Linux releases for major gaming companies?
OOH...I wish...I wish...I wish
GnomeProject
03-05-2003, 12:44 PM
Does anyone like my graphics design work?
Click Here and tell me what you think!!!http://directreadout.gsfc.nasa.gov
dungscooperdave
03-06-2003, 04:07 PM
Not bad, except the images appear somewhat grainy or fuzzy on my computer.
GnomeProject
03-06-2003, 04:10 PM
Unfortunately that happens a little bit on some computers. It's all dependent upon your resolution and your computers graphics card. Thanks though...
mangeli
03-06-2003, 04:32 PM
Good luck guys.
If I remember correctly, this is at least the second time a distro has tried to get started here... the first one was two years ago. We were going to create the ultimate newbie distro, complete with a whole new documentation system.
I think we got as far as a website... :D
But good luck!
yinrunning
03-06-2003, 09:43 PM
*naysayer*
Cerf
03-06-2003, 10:15 PM
what about Lindows??
MMA
03-06-2003, 10:34 PM
any info on sourceforge? its been a week now i think.
shadowrider
03-06-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by GnomeProject
Does anyone like my graphics design work?
Click Here and tell me what you think!!!http://directreadout.gsfc.nasa.gov
that's pretty cool actually..:D
yinrunning
03-07-2003, 03:49 AM
No werd from oubi. He must be busy this week. I've emailed, no response. Keep yer toes crossed.
yinrunning
03-07-2003, 03:59 AM
btw: MODERATORS.
We've got 10 pages here. Is that not enough to qualify for a "Hot Thread" on the main page, or am I missing something about the qualifications for that?
Just curious.
DMR
03-07-2003, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by yinrunning
btw: MODERATORS.
We've got 10 pages here. Is that not enough to qualify for a "Hot Thread" on the main page, or am I missing something about the qualifications for that?I'm sorry, but the official rules of entry for the "Hot Thread" contest specifically exclude any thread in which a member named yinrunning has posted. Again, sorry.
:D
(Actually, I've no idea- that isn't something we mods deal with at all)
GnomeProject
03-07-2003, 12:44 PM
When are we gonna get started on this thing!!! Hello, we have a great idea, let's get moving!!!! McFly! McFly!
MMA
03-07-2003, 12:47 PM
Were waiting for news from sourceforge for the website cvs and forum stuff.
Then we'll be ready and rareing to go :D:D
GnomeProject
03-07-2003, 12:48 PM
Word....
yinrunning
03-07-2003, 01:57 PM
I'm sorry, but the official rules of entry for the "Hot Thread" contest specifically exclude any thread in which a member named yinrunning has posted. Again, sorry.
DISCRIMINATION!!! HARRASMENT!!! CONSPIRACY!!! FIE, FIE, A PLAGUE ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!!! heehee.
Ludootje
03-07-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by yinrunning
DISCRIMINATION!!! HARRASMENT!!! CONSPIRACY!!! FIE, FIE, A PLAGUE ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!!! heehee.
yea I know - it's hard when you first hear it, but after a while you get used to it.
They did that to me too at first (especially mdwatts insisted on doing that - he's the really mean one!), but if you send them some money they'll leave out the rule "exclude any thread in which a member named yinrunning has posted".
after all, they need to make a living, too!
;)
DMR
03-07-2003, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Ludootje
yea I know - it's hard when you first hear it, but after a while you get used to it.
They did that to me too at first (especially mdwatts insisted on doing that - he's the really mean one!), but if you send them some money they'll leave out the rule "exclude any thread in which a member named yinrunning has posted".
after all, they need to make a living, too!
;)
Originally posted by DMR
http://www.stevewolfonline.com/Downloads/DMR/Visuals/jesterlaugh.gif http://www.stevewolfonline.com/Downloads/DMR/Visuals/jesterlaugh.gif
What the hell!!!! how did you get those smilies?
OH , oh i see. its just a trick.
Its actually a link to a gif image.
Aaah daamm, you made me type all this in. oh well, lets submit it anyway :D:D
maje87c
03-07-2003, 10:53 PM
I have no knowledge in any programming language aside from minimal html. I collect/mod old systems as a hobby. Beyond OS testing, is there any way i could help?
Also, as far as a wish list goes, here's mine:
Included Nvidia drivers(w/ Nvidia's permission)
Included Games, like Tux Racer and frozen bubble.
Ludootje
03-08-2003, 08:02 AM
BTW as an explanation to your problem:
you would normally be 5th in the list of 'hot threads'. You won't *ever* be in it though (not even if you send money to DMR&mdwatts;)), since /dev/random-topics don't get in that list. I'm remember someone asking a lot of time ago to exclude shoot the breeze - rants & general off topic (now /dev/random) of that list, because those were usually very big threads. now, /dev/random isn't random stuff anymore, and most of the topics in it used to be in General Linux Questions.
Maybe a mod could move your topic to another forum, but I'm not sure in which it would fit best.
Maybe Programming, Script Depot?
I don't think that'd be a good idea though - there are more people visiting /dev/random then people visiting Programming Script Depot or viewing the 'hot threads' list.
yinrunning
03-08-2003, 03:12 PM
true, true.
I think I was drunk when I originally posted that, anyway. :D
Plus, as soon as oubi gets un-busified (the state of being opposite to busy;)), we should be getting a website, and then we will TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!! bwahahahahahhhh.
*"The same thing we do every night, Pinky."*
PolteRGeisT
03-08-2003, 03:48 PM
This is a good idea. As soon as you guys get a working website with some more info, I'll see what I can do to help. :)
oubipaws
03-08-2003, 04:14 PM
okie dokie guys I'm back, sorry its taken me so long to get back on the net, I've had night classes and plus my modem died the other day so I had to go out and buy a new one, anyways, i have some bad news :(...
sourceforge denied our project...
maybe my explanation just sucked, oh well, there are like 3 other places we can try to get service from, anyone willing to try to do it this time and see if you have better luck?
yinrunning --> the sites awesome, sorry the one i sent you was so buggy
has anyone heard from 4_legged_duck lately about the mascot???
now on to the stuff that needs to get done...
~ we still need to decide on some basic info (kernel, guis, etc.)
~ we need a server before we can do a whole lot of development because right now we have no way of advertising the project to get more developers
~ mission statement?? what is the real reason for this Os? a gaming distribution? office? multimedia? a little bit of all of them ?
someone had asked if we were making a list of what people wanted... I haven't started anything like this yet, as for yinrunning or anyone else, they may have, but if they haven't could every one make like a short list of the items they would like and then we can make one big list of all them combined.
yinrunning
03-08-2003, 04:51 PM
I'll take the lists on. pdemarco@kc.rr.com
make the subject either "wish-list" or "goals", and please send me two emails if you want stuff on both lists.
wish-list should be wm's, apps, features, pie-in-the-sky stuff.
goals should be basic nitty-gritty. What kernel, what installation tools, where should we start research on a 3D desktop, since that seems to be one of our constants so far.
I'll make 3 lists:
- people involved
- goals of the project
- wish-list
and I'll list people however they want to be listed. real name, handle, email, not at all. Just specify in one of your messages.
I'll also be looking through this thread to get started, but I won't put anybody on the "people involved" list unless you specifically email me asking to be added and specifying how you'd like to be listed.
oubipaws
03-08-2003, 05:22 PM
Can you send me a copy of the emails you get yinrunning?
shadowrider
03-08-2003, 05:27 PM
this is interesting!:D
yinrunning
03-08-2003, 05:38 PM
Can you send me a copy of the emails you get yinrunning?
yep.
PolteRGeisT
03-08-2003, 05:48 PM
I'm a c/c++ coder. Could you give a little more info on the development tasks you need accomplished?
oubipaws
03-08-2003, 05:53 PM
hey shadowrider.. what GUI are you using? also, what theme? Its awesome looking
yinrunning
03-08-2003, 06:17 PM
I'm a c/c++ coder. Could you give a little more info on the development tasks you need accomplished?
cool. yes, as soon as we have a list compiled. :D
This thread is getting abhorently long... did I actually spell that right? Woah, I really did. amazing. :cool:
Squid
03-08-2003, 06:54 PM
Oooh! This looks like it's gonna be neat!
But one thing:
You wre talking about Mac support and how it would entice mac users (me!).
Well, if that's going to work (enticing the mac users) then there's dfinitely going to need to be a PPC version of this.
I'm not suggesting that I do that though. all I know is Basic, lol.
MMA
03-08-2003, 07:12 PM
Atlast!!!
I was wondering what happened to the coders :D
Anyway, it now looks like we have a proper team (well a very very small team, one coder :))
You can add me to the coder's list once i finish my exams and start learning again :D i'm a fast learner.
I WANT, I WANT, I WANT....
About the kernel. It should be the absolute latest stable kernel, which i think now is 2.4.20
Hey i have a wild idea. Why don't we start with the latest 2.5.* or even 2.6.* kernels. Not many distro's do that yet. We'll be the first :D
Were the future gentlemen. Were making history. I think we should start with the 2.5.* . I haven't tried it. so i don't know what the difference is.
Also we should only be supporting 686 and above CPU's. There are hundreds of distro's out there if someone needs anything below that.
I WANT, I WANT, I WANT ....... coming soon :D
MB[DK]
03-08-2003, 07:30 PM
I love watching something like this. A bunch of people sitting around with nothing better to do, until one of them gets an idea.
I'm keeping everything possible crossed for you guys. Best of luck to you.
oubipaws
03-08-2003, 08:29 PM
I would love to use something like kernel 2.5 or 2.6 .... anybody read the slashdot article about the 2.6 kernel, read it and let me know if you would be interested in using it.
I agree about supporting I686 and above, this os is going to require alot of power and isn't going to be meant for the little kids :p
PPC support: about mac support, I am talking to a guy and some of his friends about porting it over once its done
yinrunning
03-08-2003, 10:32 PM
I'm keeping everything possible crossed for you guys. Best of luck to you.
I've posted it before and I'll post it again:
Don't Hurrah! Help! :) Seriously, anything. Even if it's just following along and keeping a small spare partition to test-drive any possible releases, look for bugs, etc.
Ludootje
03-09-2003, 07:25 AM
Ask sunsite.dk, they will almost definitely give you an account. I'd do it for you, but I'm still not completely sure as to what you want to do ;)
Just a new GNU/Linux distro?
oubipaws
03-09-2003, 10:11 AM
I'm getting ready to write them an email :)
pmrphs2002
03-09-2003, 11:40 AM
For the Hurrah to the Basic coders... :D
I also only know Basic.... but im more than willing to test drive the Linux revolution. Im still a newb, but maybe thats what you need..... a view from someone who isn't completely engrossed in Linux and still has one foot in both doors. As for my "I want i want" What about out of the box WMA support? Seperate mixer settings on soundcards? Compatibility with M$ proprietary formats? As for Mac users, a lot of headway has been made in that category already. I dont have much to offer besides ideas, but i wanna come for the ride....:)
Squid
03-09-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
PPC support: about mac support, I am talking to a guy and some of his friends about porting it over once its done [/B]
Yah, once that happens, I'd be happy to act as the PPC Alpha/Beta Tester! :D
oubipaws
03-09-2003, 09:55 PM
Ok.. newest info for project:
~ Sent project server request today to sunsite.dk, will let everyone know when I get a reply
Question we need to decide on:
~ What kernel to start with? What about starting with 2.5.x?
oubipaws
03-09-2003, 10:29 PM
Beta testing idea... this is for anyone who has vmware, win4lin or bochs:
Would one of you guys see if you can do linux from scratch with it? If so I will go ahead and buy myself a copy, could save me a box or two along with the headache of rebooting so often.
Thanks
jegs2
03-09-2003, 10:36 PM
I'll cheer you coders on with gusto! I'd help you out, but the only thing I'm adept in is programming in ancient BASIC, which is pretty useless these days...
oubipaws
03-10-2003, 12:33 PM
Still no word from sunsite.dk :'( ... will let everybody know when I get an email...
To all of you basic coders, I remember back when I started, I was coding in BASIC at my friends house building little games and other useless programs. Ah man, I use to love that stuff, hey we should put some BASIC apps in the os, haha put some small games or something :P Other than that though guys, we aren't really going to need alot of basic coders, more C/C++ and Shell Script. We'd still love to have all of you guys to help out with beta testing and such.
Kernel Type: What do you guys think of using Kernel 2.5.2? I am think that we could use that and not use the current stable edition and go forward a little bit.
VMware --> I got an evaluation copy, and tried to do linux from scratch on it, and guess what, it works perfectly, haha or atleast so far. AllI have done is play around, compiled the kernel, installed a few apps, and put kde 3.1 on it, all runs nice and smooth.
I am ready to actually get to work on deciding things for this os and soon as everyone else is, I mean we've been talking in the forums alot, and getting some stuff done, but I would really like to get the website up and start working on the OS. When everyone else is ready I'll start posting messages in forums asking for peoples help in coding and brainstorming.
Note To Everyone --> where is 4_legged_duck gone? anyone know?
How many people are ready to get to work on this OS? How many people are coders? How many people are brainstormers?
yet another question--> how many people have a spair box in which they can install Dux Linux, because I can almost guarentee dual booting is going to be a while, unless someone wants to do it.
All right, heres what I think the basic first edition should be: (not all will be listed, just a few)
GRUB
LILO
Kernel 2.5.2
XFree86 4.2.0
Gnome 2.2
Kde 3.1
Window Maker (not sure of current version)
3D WM
GCC 3.2
Perl 5.8.0
Emacs 21.2
Gimp 1.2.3
Mozilla 1.0.1
Opera Bork Edition 7
a few games of peoples choice (my choice --> defendguin) :P
more will be added to this list, but that is it as of right now, any changes or ideas or software to be added, please post it or send it to me at: oubipaws@myrealbox.com
I would like to be able to have a full list ready for this os by next weekend... reason for this --> we should have a website and a server by then and we can possibly begin to start actually working on the OS.
Allright people its time to get some stuff done... thanks guys for all of your help
MMA
03-10-2003, 01:02 PM
OK i saw the list. It needs one of the *box Window Mangers. I recommend Openbox or Fluxbox.
Also it needs mplayer. And maybe Xine too.
It needs Eterm and Xterm. (those are the popular ones).
I WANT I WANT I WANT :D
This is one of the MOST annoying thing in Linux. SOUND SERVER!!!!!!
You just can't run two sounds (xmms & mplayer) together. Becuase one is already playing and the other waits for that one to stop playing.
So i recommend by default we use sound server. I recommend Arts, KDE's sound server. Its the one i've been tinkering with recently and i think i understand.
I realised, this problem is one of the MOST biggest and annoying thing in Linux. If we can make this default, as in, every program uses it without even knowing. It would be GREAT!!
More I WANT's soon... :D
bwkaz
03-10-2003, 01:57 PM
Early 2.5 kernels are very likely not a great idea; there were stability issues early on, and IDE issues as well on quite a few chipsets due to the IDE / block layer rewrite.
AFAIK something like 2.5.39 or 2.5.43 should work well enough, but then, just because it worked (aka booted) for me doesn't mean it's ready for production...
Then again, the nVidia drivers WILL NOT work with kernel 2.5 without some unsupported patches, so you're cutting out a decently-large chunk of users right there (myself for one).
I'd say waiting for 2.6 might be a better idea. Initial releases might have a couple of issues, but for some reason I think it'll be better than 2.5.
MMA
03-10-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by bwkaz
Early 2.5 kernels are very likely not a great idea; there were stability issues early on, and IDE issues as well on quite a few chipsets due to the IDE / block layer rewrite.
AFAIK something like 2.5.39 or 2.5.43 should work well enough, but then, just because it worked (aka booted) for me doesn't mean it's ready for production...
Then again, the nVidia drivers WILL NOT work with kernel 2.5 without some unsupported patches, so you're cutting out a decently-large chunk of users right there (myself for one).
I'd say waiting for 2.6 might be a better idea. Initial releases might have a couple of issues, but for some reason I think it'll be better than 2.5.
Good point. Alright then.
lets stick with 2.4.*. Will go for the latest, which is 2.4.20 at the time of writing this.
Resident_Geek
03-10-2003, 03:55 PM
I could help with the coding if you need me to. I'm a pretty good C programmer, a little short on experience, but I learn quickly. I've never done anything serious, never helped with any open-source projects either, so I'll be a little slow at first. But this sounds pretty cool, and I'd like to help.
yinrunning
03-10-2003, 04:26 PM
Trememndous. That gives us... three so far? and plenty willing to learn, from what I've read. Including myself. And that's just on justlinux.
oubipaws
03-10-2003, 05:09 PM
GRUB
LILO
Kernel 2.4.20 (changed from 2.5.2)
XFree86 4.2.0
Gnome 2.2
Kde 3.1
Window Maker (w/ blackbox and fluxbox)
3D WM
GCC 3.2
Perl 5.8.0
Emacs 21.2
Gimp 1.2.3
Mozilla 1.0.1
Opera Bork Edition 7
a few games of peoples choice (my choice --> defendguin) :P
Comments:
~ Changed kernel version from 2.5.2 to 2.4.20 as suggested.. once 2.6 comes out I would like to try it though and see how it works
~ Added MooktaKING's suggested programs
WE NEED MAILING LISTS :p Anybody know where we can get free one? and we need forums, but as soon as we have a web server, I can upload one of mine that I have built or we can use a already made one...
still looking for more files to add to the list, as i said before, either post them or you can email me: oubipaws@myrealbox.com
StaticDischarge
03-10-2003, 06:18 PM
I can do some C programming if you really need me to...
Be warned though, I only know the basics and am not very fast with it...
But I am a quick learner and am in the process of teaching myself...
Also I am going to ITT Tech for programming in September, which could provide me with a lot of resources. But it's not until september.
In the meantime I may be able to scrounge up a box, or at least and extra hard drive and my existing box, to install it on. It wont be the greatest though, and the hard drive wont be over a few gigs at the most. I do have a lot of space on my current HD if I can get it to Dual...I mean Triple boot.
Just let me know what you need...
Chadduss
03-10-2003, 07:07 PM
wow this all sounds very interesting. Since the idea has changed a bit can someone please tell me exactly what this will be now?
Thanks
MMA
03-10-2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Chadduss
wow this all sounds very interesting. Since the idea has changed a bit can someone please tell me exactly what this will be now?
Thanks
An Operating System with a Linux kernel. It will be full of all the Opensource programs outthere. It will be free. Some of the 'wild' ideas we have, which hasn't been tried before, is to have a 3D desktop, or something like that.
If you read all my 'I WANT's' you'll see my other wild ideas :D
Chadduss
03-10-2003, 07:21 PM
Oh ok I see. So you're just making a new Linux Distro? What about the VMWare included with it as I've read. Will this be free and are you thinking about incorporating it into the Distro?
MMA
03-10-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Chadduss
Oh ok I see. So you're just making a new Linux Distro? What about the VMWare included with it as I've read. Will this be free and are you thinking about incorporating it into the Distro?
Ofcourse not. (i don't remember anyone mensioning vmware? :confused: ).
I think he meant when you want to test the distro, its easier to use vmware, instead of rebooting all the time etc.
yinrunning
03-10-2003, 07:59 PM
exactly. And we're kinda hoping it'll someday at least make some donation money or something like that. Be a self-sufficient project.
bwkaz
03-10-2003, 08:18 PM
Couple of things:
Originally posted by oubipaws
XFree86 4.2.0 Why not 4.3.0? I haven't tried it myself, but I don't see any reason not to use it. RandR (Resize and Rotate -- you can really change resolutions now, at runtime!) should be cool too.
a few games of peoples choice (my choice --> defendguin) :P Hmm... tuxracer would be cool. Defendguin, as you said, would be as well. So would lbreakout2. So would chromium. And the entire kdegames package, of course.
Xterm (version ?) That gets compiled with X, so don't worry about the version. ;)
Mplayer (version ?) Just grab the latest CVS and do some minimal testing. Should work.
Question to Bwkaz --> Can we use your web server as a temp webserver for a while and once we get a account somewhere, move everything over? Sure, no problem. PM me with your (or whoever's) IP address and the password you want to use, and I'll set up the firewall to allow ssh+sftp+scp from you so you can actually update the site. ;)
MMA
03-10-2003, 09:04 PM
Fantastic were heading somewhere. We have a server people.
Now what do we do? hhmm, i never did anything like this before :confused:
yinrunning
03-10-2003, 09:33 PM
Yay! webspace.
I better finish formatting the site. :o
And good that we have people involved who know where to start. I'll learn everything I can to contribute, but I have no clue where to start. :)
oubipaws
03-10-2003, 11:25 PM
Newest Info...
ok heres how we can do the server cituation... yinrunning, you setup a website with bwkaz and we will leave it there untill he graduates, I'm going to try and work with a guy who just emailed me to set up an actual server for Dux. Instead of getting a sourceforge or sunsite account right now, we will just host it our selves, and hopefully this will work for a while.. Once we actually get this thing going maybe we will get some bigger sponsors to host it :)
The guy who emailed me is offering like 6.5 gb and I'm going to try and help him get his box set up with support for ssh, ftp, sendmail, and whatever else may be needed.
XFree86 4.3.0 --> we will try this and see how it works
VmWare --> yeah i meant for beta testing, but hey wouldn't it be awesome if somewhere down the line we could be sponsored by the creators of vmware and include it in the os :)
next steps...
~ website up and running
~ people need to start advertising Dux
I'm going to go email the guy now about the server..
4_legged_duck
03-11-2003, 01:47 AM
I've been busy latley... and my girlfriend has started dux.. and that's it. but hey, I'm back.
Resident_Geek
03-11-2003, 11:27 AM
OK, from what i've heard, this seems to be a very graphical distro, for all those people who boot to windows three times a day to work with their special graphics programs and play games. Should we include/make (if necessary) new graphical or GUI telnet/r-services/ssh/ftp/etc. clients for those people? At least make some kind of script frontend. Maybe prompt for a username/password before hand, and write an algorithm to process whether the remote system is asking for them, to save newbies the frustration of "WHY WON'T ANYTHING SHOW UP WHEN I TYPE MY PASSWORD!?!?" :rolleyes:
MMA
03-11-2003, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Resident_Geek
OK, from what i've heard, this seems to be a very graphical distro, for all those people who boot to windows three times a day to work with their special graphics programs and play games. Should we include/make (if necessary) new graphical or GUI telnet/r-services/ssh/ftp/etc. clients for those people? At least make some kind of script frontend. Maybe prompt for a username/password before hand, and write an algorithm to process whether the remote system is asking for them, to save newbies the frustration of "WHY WON'T ANYTHING SHOW UP WHEN I TYPE MY PASSWORD!?!?" :rolleyes:
I don't understand what your saying.
But, if you understand it, and you think it will help people. Then go ahead my friend and build one. Or explain it to someone who knows a lot about telnetting and shh'ing :)
Resident_Geek
03-11-2003, 12:50 PM
What I meant by that was, the main difference between Windows and LInux is that in Windows, seeing nothing is a bad sign, whereas in Linux, seeing nothing is a good sign because usually only error messages or a final summary are printed to the screen. Since this seems to be targeted at just-switched or still-tied-to-windows users, we should create telnet, ssh, gcc, etc. frontends that keep to the windows way of doing things - status bar, progress meter, etc.
oubipaws
03-11-2003, 02:42 PM
Newest Info...
Sunsite.dk approved us, and I am now in the process of talking to one of their staff members so that we can stuff set up. I know earlier I had said that we wouldn't use sunsite or sourceforge, but after thinking about it, I believe that we are going to need a server somewhere that we dont have to worry about going down or having to many hits. So we will set up a temp site on Bwzak's server for us, and then I will be getting this whole sunsite thing worked out so that we have that server to move over to permantly.
I have a question for everyone, Instead of spending so much time building the site, how many people would want to have a simple post nuke site? (example: www.tjmiddle.org)
Instead of worrying about coding the site, I can simply set up a Post Nuke site, add some modules (forums, chat rooms, IRC, etc.) and then we can build some sub pages for it? Its just a thought and I figured I would ask you guys and maybe even save yinrunning a little bit of time.
The guy at sunsite whom I am talking with has said that their large disk servers and not working properly, so as of right now, we will only have a webserver and small file storage. The guy said this should be fixed sometime soon.
Default Gui for Dux?? KDE, GNOME, other?
I know some guys were talking about different update programs before in the forum, could you guys look up the documentation of those programs and email it to me?
lets see, what else needs to be talked about... ooh yeah, we need to start getting some more people interested in the project so that we have more than like 3 developers, and we are also going to need some brainstormers, I know we already have a few, but we are going to need alot of them.
4_legged_duck -> glad to here that you are back
About the guy posting about a graphical SSH? do you mean something like PUTTY? if not I dont fully understand what you are trying to say.
Future: I was thinking about where I want this project to go in the future and I was thinking about how someone though we were going to include VmWare with Dux, and then this idea popped into my head. What if later on down the road we could get the company who creates vmware to sponsor out project and then we would be able to include it. haha, that would be awesome.... anyway, just a thought for later on down the road.
My friend whom is a linux admin recommended we go ahead and buy www.dux.org (or whatever) and then we find someone willing to set up a email server for us with a mailing list for all developers, and along with that, we could also set up a nice CVS. Anyone willing to sponsor the project and pay the 8$ for the domain? I'd buy it but I'm a college student still and I can barely afford to buy very much as it is. Anyway, that just another thing I thought I would bring up.
Resident_Geek
03-11-2003, 03:48 PM
Sorry about the confusing posts. I couldn't think of a good way to describe it. I tried PuTTY and it looks perfect. Do they have a Linux port? I couldn't find one, but I didn't have a lot of time to search google extensively. We should also have frontends like that for a few other programs. I like how this is shaping up. *wants a copy of Dux*
oubipaws
03-11-2003, 04:33 PM
a port of putty for linux... hmm i dont know, I'll look into it
MMA
03-11-2003, 04:36 PM
Ok, one thing in my mind is, i'm sure its the same for other's too, when we get all the server and stuff.
How do we people (several people), from all around the world, Work on this together?
Do we split each section up, like XFree, Wm, etc etc so that one person does something different and we put it together?
I never did anything like this before, so i don't really know.
But i'll try asking some other distro group, maybe something small, sorceror or something.
I've installed anjuta, which seems like a great IDE for gnome based programs. I'm also in process of installing kdevelop, which works great with KDE. I'm thinking of a way of combining Gnome/aMSN/ICQ in one small system tray icon. So when we click on it a small menu pops up, with each program's icons. This way it seems a lot more integrated. and aMSN can dock in system tray.
This is a BIG step in programming for me. For one thing i never programmed anything in C/C++, but i'll use this to learn.
yinrunning
03-11-2003, 04:58 PM
How do we people (several people), from all around the world, Work on this together?
I've been thinkin about that. Seems like we should have one person heading up each section or a couple sections (whatever could be handled), and everyone working on that section of the distro should "report" to them. Thinking along a "team" type structure. A few core people who communicate regularly with each other, and everyone who's doing stuff under them talking only amognst themselves.
I had some stupid business class where we had to simulate a company working on building "a better mouse trap". Well, we split up the class into four groups, and each group had a main contact. All communication went through those four people. That way information was centralized, and if one member of the marketing team had to ask a member of the manuf. team something, that person in manuf. wouldn't get bombarded with the same question 5 billion times, cuz everyone else knew that the question had been asked and what the answer was.
Even if we're doing it in a web-based forum, this makes more sense. We're already doing it, in a way. It's just that oubi is kind of having to juggle all the questions at once.
Another consideration is that there are certain things like, say, ssh key encryption methods, that we don't want just hanging out on our site for anyone to pick up and save for later use of any kind. These things we want to keep internal to the group, necessitating emails and other communications. If every time an email was sent, we had one master list of people who needed to get it, it would give us alot more effeciency in what we were doing.
MMA
03-11-2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by yinrunning
I've been thinkin about that. Seems like we should have one person heading up each section or a couple sections (whatever could be handled), and everyone working on that section of the distro should "report" to them. Thinking along a "team" type structure. A few core people who communicate regularly with each other, and everyone who's doing stuff under them talking only amognst themselves.
I had some stupid business class where we had to simulate a company working on building "a better mouse trap". Well, we split up the class into four groups, and each group had a main contact. All communication went through those four people. That way information was centralized, and if one member of the marketing team had to ask a member of the manuf. team something, that person in manuf. wouldn't get bombarded with the same question 5 billion times, cuz everyone else knew that the question had been asked and what the answer was.
Even if we're doing it in a web-based forum, this makes more sense. We're already doing it, in a way. It's just that oubi is kind of having to juggle all the questions at once.
Another consideration is that there are certain things like, say, ssh key encryption methods, that we don't want just hanging out on our site for anyone to pick up and save for later use of any kind. These things we want to keep internal to the group, necessitating emails and other communications. If every time an email was sent, we had one master list of people who needed to get it, it would give us alot more effeciency in what we were doing.
I would like to be one of the nodes please thank you. I want to put as much of my time into this project as possible, i want this to work :)
"Dedication is what you need" :)
z0mbix
03-11-2003, 05:09 PM
Do you realise what you are getting yourselves into?
yinrunning
03-11-2003, 05:28 PM
I do believe you've asked us this before. And I do believe that at this point we're still not entirely sure, but that we have a much better notion. Help or piss off, how bout that?
Resident_Geek
03-11-2003, 05:30 PM
Of course we don't! It's been said several times in this thread that we have no idea how we're going to do this! Haven't you read all 14 pages? :) We're probably in too deep here, but we're gonna make a valiant effort. Of course, now you have prime "I told you so" rights if we give up. :D
yinrunning
03-11-2003, 05:39 PM
lol. they certainly do, don't they. :)
yinrunning
03-11-2003, 05:44 PM
right now it's looking like this, roughly:
general, overview, admin:
oubi
site, art, organizational:
yinrunning, 4-legged
brainstorming:
MMA
<two separate, or just one?:>
programming:
?, static?
scripts:
?
<>
packages, install:
?
new GUI:
???
Whatdya think? Commentary?
oubipaws
03-11-2003, 05:50 PM
Groups are about the only way we can go at this project, other wise it's just going to be one big confusing mess. As yinrunning said, we need to breakup into small groups and talk amongst our little groups about one certain task, and then if one member has a question, one person can email one of the top people in this project and ask the question once instead of 100 times.
For example, lets say the following is a group for the KDE team:
Project: KDE 3.1 on Dux
Members:
Leader: yinrunning
Unix Admin: oubipaws
Web Master: 4_legged_duck
Coders:
MMA
whoever
whoever
whoever
That is just like a basic template of how we could lay out the groups and no that is not where people are being assigned to, it was just an example.
I would like every group to have a webpage so that they may post new info, questions, comments, or what ever else they need to put on it. **Yinrunning, do you feel we could do this easier by building the site from scratch or using a post nuke site? **
I also would like to have who ever the leader his/her assigned group would be the one to go around and look for developers and keep in contact with them instead of me trying to keep everyone who wants to be informed notified of whats going on.
So with that said, I say we should go ahead and start assigning leader positions to people and have them begin to start finding developers.
When people find coders who are interested, I still want to be notified, its just that I think that its easier if a certain person is in charge of certain areas.
Another thing as yinrunning said, is security, we really dont need to have passwords, usernames, ip addresses, encryption methods, etc, open to whoever goes in the forums. If we use a post nuke site, this will cut down on some of the security we have to do ourselves and then we worry about the rest later.
I would like mailing lists for every group and then an overall mailing list for the whole project, same goes for forums, one per group, and one overall, plus the few extras (random stuff, general help, code gallery, etc.).
Ok back to assigning groups, I would like to go ahead and get this done.. If anyone feels they are capable of doing this, please email me and let me know what section you would like to work on. Make sure that you know what you are getting into first though, you can't just know a little about whatever you are working on, you have got to know quite a large amount. No I'm not saying you have to know it inside and out, but you do need to know how it works.
I myself and going to stay and kind of keep everyone kind of inline and making sure that everything gets done, a project moderator so to speak.
I'd like to have 2 other people help me do this, kind of the top dogs of the project, yinrunning and MMA you guys would be good candidates if interested?
4_legged_duck, you still going to be the forum moderator?
sorry guys if this post is kind of out of order, just typing as things come to mind.
StaticDischarge
03-11-2003, 05:58 PM
I like the structure you got going...great ideas.
I definately cant be the head of anything since I'm such a Linux noob...
But like I said before, I can do a little of everything...web prog., C prog., graphic design, beta testing...basically wherever you want to stick me, or need the help...
We are making some headway though...keep up the good work people...
MMA
03-11-2003, 06:31 PM
yep, i accept the honor of being a mod.
I will do my best.
oubie, it would be good also if you could take one of the scetions too, becuase where in lack of people at the moment.
Also PM me with MSN/Yahoo/AOL/ICQ so that i can contact you easily.
I think these post nuke sites are alright. becuase we don't have to worry about the actual website and stuff. Its already made.
Also i never used mailing list before, don't really know how they work. Just want to let you know.
As i have already mensioned before, we need also an IRC channel.
Before anyone can pick which group they want to be in, we need a list of groups first.
I want to choose a group, but i don't want too much responsibility, well not at the moment anyway.
We need to choose which IM service we should use. I recommend ICQ. becuase you can easily message someone even tho there not online, when they do get online they receive the message.
We need an official list of everyone who wants to participate. This list doesn't have to say what you want to do. We just need to know how many people we currently have. (it would be good if you could right your profession or what your good at).
Ok, then. Its really starting. things are becoming official now.
I can't wait :D:D:D
MMA
03-11-2003, 06:36 PM
Everyone who wants to help please reply to this thread saying "i want to help". Thats all you need to say. Not maybe or not sure. It should be a clear answar.
StaticDischarge
03-11-2003, 06:40 PM
I Want To Help...
wherever i can help...
does that help...
glad to help...
i need some help...
help
:D
P.S. I have eight free hours a day (get it...LOL)
PolteRGeisT
03-11-2003, 06:49 PM
i want to help
I'm fully fluent in C and C++, and I am currently learning how the linux kernel works and such.
yinrunning
03-11-2003, 07:12 PM
New list:
general, overview, admin:
oubi, yinrunning, MMA
site, art, organizational:
yinrunning, 4-legged
brainstorming, programs:
MMA
Programming:
PolterGeist?
>Static
packages, install:
?
Resident_geek, where do you want to be?
MMA
03-11-2003, 08:28 PM
Wwwooohhooooo!!!!!!!!
I made my first ever program in Linux. It even has a ./configure && make && make install thing.
Its a hello world. In c++, i used kdevelop. I found a good tutorial in kdevelop homepage.
Here's a screenshot.
oubipaws
03-11-2003, 08:31 PM
Groups:
Installation Scripts
Base Files
Kernel
Graphical User Interfaces:
(subgroups)
~ XFree86
~ GNOME
~ KDE
~ 3D WM
~ Window Maker
Graphics
Games
Internet
Server
Development
Entertainment
Emulation
Thats the basic layout for the groups unless somebody can come out with a better layout, I just made a real simple one, we will have to make a more elaborate one later on, but you can choose out of those sections for now.
Mooktakim --> I'm glad to here that you are officialy one of the moderators :) I look forward to working with you and yinrunning as mods.
As mooktakim said, I will be joining quite a few groups (see below)... also to everyone, you can join in more than one development team, or be leader of one and coder on another, I dont really care, just as long as you know what your doing.
So yinrunning is keeping a list of current members and positions, so I will create the group listings and members involved in each. so here is the current list:
Installation Scripts
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
Base Files
Leader: unknown
Coders:
Oubipaws
Kernel
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
Graphical User Interfaces:
(subgroups)
~ XFree86
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
~ GNOME
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
~ KDE
Leader: Oubipaws
Coders:
none
~ 3D WM
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
~ Window Maker
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
Graphics
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
Games
Leader: Oubipaws
Coders:
none
Internet
Leader: unknown
Coders:
none
Server
Leaders: unknown
Coders:
none
Development
Leaders: unknown
Coders:
none
Entertainment
Leaders: unknown
Coders:
none
Emulation
Leaders: Oubipaws
Coders:
none
Another thing is, whoever the leader of the team is, that would be the person who contact companies for sponsorship or other needed tools they may need that one of the project mods cannot provide for you.
So anybody looking to fill any group positions, please let me know...
ahh yes, another thing I was thinking about a minute ago, we need to "attack" another forum so that we can get more people... anyone have a recommendation of which forum we should all go to next, or should we all start taking on forums on our own?
Default communication method? what service do most people use? AIM, MSN, ICQ?
IRC --> how do you go about setting one of these up, I've never used it before?
MMA
03-11-2003, 08:47 PM
here's another good forum. Although i don't use it as much i do LNO. http://www.linuxquestions.org/ . go and attack :)
I haven't set IRC up either so i don't really know. I will ask people though.
I would like to be one of the coder's in KDE for now. Thank you.
yinrunning
03-11-2003, 08:58 PM
Let's put together a paragraph or two explaining what we're doing, then we can copy-paste onto other forums?
oubipaws
03-11-2003, 09:03 PM
MMA --> I added you as a KDE coder :)
yeah we do need to work on a 2 paragraph type thing to spread around, any one good at righting these types of things? not my area :o
JesseJames
03-11-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by MMA
I haven't set IRC up either so i don't really know. I will ask people though.
I have just been looking on the internet for linux based IRC servers for you and have found the following sites
http://linux.tucows.com/internet/irc_servers_default.html - Lots of servers which can be downloaded from tucows
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/mini/IRC/servers.html - A few servers are listed with links
http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/irc.htm - Detailed instructions on setting up a particular IRC server
BTW If you are interested IRC servers are called "Daemons"
MMA
03-11-2003, 09:23 PM
isn't it possble to open a channel called #dux in irc.freenode.net?
MMA
03-11-2003, 09:35 PM
OK i opened it.
Its called #dux . I'm the moderator. Soon when i figure out how i will make oubi and yinrunning also mods. Maybe more people too.
the irc server is: irc.freenode.net .
MMA
03-11-2003, 09:39 PM
anyone would like to join me in #dux?
JesseJames
03-11-2003, 09:43 PM
I would join you but the current pc im using only has trillian on and it wont connect to IRC for some reason. Im registered on that server with the same name. If you are using mIRC (Or something compatible) I have made a script which can do loads of commands for doing stuff like op'ing people and stuff like that.
JesseJames
03-11-2003, 09:46 PM
Nearly forgot. Here are some commands to list all the commands you can do for different parts of IRC. I cant remember all the servers but when i get on my other pc i will tell you them if you still need them.
Channel moderating- /msg chanserv help
Nickname moderating - /msg nickserv help
.... Thinking about it you probably already know all this...
MMA
03-11-2003, 09:57 PM
I can now say that it officially works. the IRC works. I got a friend to test it.
So now we can talk in real time :D
oubipaws
03-12-2003, 08:05 AM
we need to schedule some sort of meeting on Saturday if thats good for everyone... we also have to find a time that everyone is able to get on.
I'll be on in the IRC rooms pretty much every night from now on, or atleast I will try to be...
oubipaws
03-12-2003, 08:05 AM
welcome messages... i noticed some IRC rooms have welcome messages, can we do that also?
oblio
03-12-2003, 10:35 AM
Is this anything like you guys are thinking about?
minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2901
http://www.opencroquet.org/
BTW the site is somewhat /.'d at the time of this posting so if it doesn't lopad check it out later today or tommorrow.
Resident_Geek
03-12-2003, 03:43 PM
Sorry I couldn't respond earlier - I'd like to be in programming, I guess. I don't know enough about Linux or general programs to be in brainstorming, and the others I would suck at/don't appeal to me. I'll be in IRC as much as possible, which might not be much.
4_legged_duck
03-12-2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
Web Master: 4_legged_duck
4_legged_duck, you still going to be the forum moderator?
yup :D
hey oubi... how come you never show up on aim anymore... I haven't seen you on for a couple weeks now I think...
oubipaws
03-12-2003, 05:01 PM
meeting everyone...
Eastern Time : 9 o'clock
IRC server: irc.freenode.net
Room: #dux
lots of stuff to talk about.. anybody interested, come check it out, it'll probably be about a hour long
StaticDischarge
03-12-2003, 06:06 PM
i'll try to be there man, but you should log the chat in case I cant make it...
thanks
yinrunning
03-12-2003, 07:22 PM
Everyone come to #dux. It's a party waiting to happen. :p
Resident_Geek
03-12-2003, 09:57 PM
Wow, that chat is really roaring! My computer froze because of all the messages flooding in, even though i'm on a quadruple-cooperating-T3-lines connection. You guys are really missing a lot! Oh wait, I lied. there's no traffic, there's only two other people in there, and one of them does not apparently actually type anything. Keep up the enthusiasm, guys!
oubipaws
03-12-2003, 10:32 PM
We are currently moving the Dux Linux forum posts over to linuxquestions.org so that we can get some more people interested... heres the link:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49525
MMA
03-13-2003, 04:04 PM
Hey we just started this project. you can't expect people to stampede into this project. Come on. I'd say its been like few days. We got the server, IRC and i think the website too. So lets keep going.
StaticDischarge
03-13-2003, 05:00 PM
Hey guys,
The linuxquestions.org forum is sure raising some intrest and were getting lots of feedback.
Go check it out...NOW!
mangeli
03-13-2003, 05:06 PM
if you send me a banner ad, link to the site and contact information (contact name and email address) I'll throw an ad on tinyminds.
MMA
03-13-2003, 05:10 PM
Hey 4_legged_duck, can you take care of this?
Its alright if you can't. I can ask someone else.
Keep the banner nice and neat :-)
MMA
03-13-2003, 05:20 PM
I WANT I WANT, you know the rest :D:D:D
I'm gonna try to add gotmail to the package. So that the user can download hotmail emails and save it to your HD so you can use some email client like kmail or evolution to read it instead of using hotmail.com .
plattypus1
03-14-2003, 10:51 PM
I'm no programmer, and I'm only just beginning Linux... I know, I know, I'm pretty much worthless. However, I've got some server space if you're interested. ATM, it's at about 200MB but I'm installin' a new HD and that'll boost it to 600-700MB. I'm not doin' anything with it, it's running SSH already and I can put ftp on there... not sure about cvs. Don't know what I'm doing in that dept. Anyway, it's yours for the taking if you want it.
Bandwidth is about 1-1.5MB, IP is dynamic but I have a static, automatically updated redirect URL.
Also, I have a very good knowledge of HTML and as such am willing to help out with that end. Also I've got a wish list for ya ;-)
#1- Real-time strategy game NATIVE. I can't find any real good ones in Linux that don't have some sort of obscure installer or weird requirements (like owning Warcraft) and I hate booting into Windows or emulating just for Tiberian Sun.
#2- Firestarter- best firewall config I've used.
4_legged_duck
03-15-2003, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by plattypus1
I'm no programmer, and I'm only just beginning Linux... I know, I know, I'm pretty much worthless.
not at all... I'm new too, and I'm helping. :D
Ludootje
03-15-2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by z0mbix
Do you realise what you are getting yourselves into?
I'm pretty sure they don't :)
but hey, they'll probably have fun before the project ends, so let them do
Reminds me of GHJ - we had no idea what we were starting either lol :D
Resident_Geek
03-15-2003, 09:14 PM
GHJ - Grasshopper Journal? It's 11 pages, so I'm not planning to read it, but anyone know what happened? How far'd it get?
plattypus1
03-15-2003, 09:34 PM
4_L_D, you sound like you're trying to substantiate your existence... "I'm helping" ;-)
Anyway, where's the irc server at?
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