Athalon XP?

[toddle6998]

These new AMDs have XP in the name...this seems to indicate an association with Windows XP, so I was wondering if they still worked (and how well they worked) in Linux?

Also, if it isn't the best, what is the best processor out there? I've always been an AMD fan but I was just looking for some ideas, since I'm new to Linux and I'm not sure if it makes a difference...

[doublec16]

I think the XP means something totally different, and I know that Linux runs just fine on an AMD XP processor. I have some XP 1700s and that's the last porcessor I bought so I am not well versed with the latest developments, but I have heard that intel is now at least close to AMD for the value and performance of their latest processors, whereas that was not the case a year ago.

[toddle6998]

I've never been a wintel fan in the least...I'm sticking with AMD. I'm going to build a brand new box in fact, from scratch, but I've been out of the computer scene for a couple for years so I'm tryign to get freshened up on the latest technologies.

[MB[DK]]

I bought my last AMD. I'm tired of ill-designed crap. You can buy stuff too cheap, AMD is proof. My XP2000 is so noisy I have to turn it off, when watching tv, or trying to sleep, because the damn thing runs too hot, and sounds like a chopper taking off.

It's crap, crap and more crap.

I believe Intel is quite far ahead of AMD with the newest p4 series, but without knowing too much about it, I also believe AMD is a bit ahead with their 64 bit CPU.

But I bought my xp2000 a year ago, and its going to die very soon, I'm going to smash it with a hammer, like the piece of crap it is, and then I'm going out to buy a portable pc with a p4 CPU in it.

[MartinB]

I'm running Gentoo, which I have optimised for the Athlon-XP that I have (1800+) and it's absolutely flying. I'm more than happy with it. It's especially good for my uses (emulators) as opposed to the P4.

Only real problem is that the fans are quite loud. I still manage to sleep though.

[bwkaz]

The sound is not a function of the CPU.

It's a function of the POS fan that you have on it.

Get a better fan if you want noise levels to decrease. :)

[toddle6998]

No man, that processor isn't a piece of ****. I might be new to Linux, but not computers, and, like bwKaz said, a CPU has nothing to do with a fan.

AMDs are notorious for running hotter than Intels, but if you want a real high end machine you can find ways to deal with it that don't involve a hammer.

[retoon]

I like listening to stupidity, it makes me feel alot smarter:p . The athlon xp is by all means the best processor, and fastest processor available in the market as of now. That will change with the athlon 64. But for now, the xp is tops. Windows XP was designed on the Athlon XP processor, but it doesn't mean that only windows xp will work on it. I am running Red Hat 8 on an athlon 1.1ghz (which I know isn't in the xp series) and it works smoothly. My friend has an athlonxp 2200, and hes running rh8. Its under the category of i686 processors. The pentium 4 is a joke, the only thing nice about it is its temperature, and even then, a decent fan will keep the athlon working fine. Some people are stupid however and decide that a processor makes too much noise. (Not possible to the human ear) and don't realize that the fan is what makes the noise, and fail to mention the performance of the chip in comparison to the P4s. The athlon XP 3000 mopped the floor with the penium 4 3.06 ghz and is about $300.00 less expensive. Don't listen to stupid people, they know not what they say.

[ralph wiggum]

Congrats, you've won the award for "biggest ignoramous".

where do you get all your info from captain "AMD rules, intel sucks end of story". They both make great chips and neither one "is a joke".

since you know so much about these chips and are smarter then everyone else, lets hear what your background is. where did you get your degree in elec/computer engineering from?

Originally posted by retoon
I like listening to stupidity, it makes me feel alot smarter:p . The athlon xp is by all means the best processor, and fastest processor available in the market as of now. That will change with the athlon 64. But for now, the xp is tops..... I am running Red Hat 8 on an athlon 1.1ghz (which I know isn't in the xp series) and it works smoothly. My friend has an athlonxp 2200, and hes running rh8. Its under the category of i686 processors. The pentium 4 is a joke, the only thing nice about it is its temperature, and even then, a decent fan will keep the athlon working fine.


let me guess, your 15-18?

Originally posted by retoon

The athlon XP 3000 mopped the floor with the penium 4 3.06 ghz and is about $300.00 less expensive.

check your stats sweet cheeks. the P4 is $30 cheaper then the 3000+

and as for the AMD "mopping the floor" with intel, where did you see this? How was this test setup? was HT enabled? I doubt it....

All these "AMD fan boy" sites setup there tests to make it look good for AMD, so people like you will fall for it... pro intel people do the same thing as well.

morons like you NEED to read between the lines, KNOW what the hell is going on and NOT believe everything you read... or else you end up embarrassing yourself when you try to sound smart....

Originally posted by retoon

Some people are stupid however...
Don't listen to stupid people, they know not what they say.


exactly. I couldnt have said it better myself.

[bs_texas]

Come on guys. Let's be civil toward each other.

When was the last time name calling and insults helped anything.

regards....

[ralph wiggum]

Originally posted by bs_2003
Come on guys. Let's be civil toward each other.

When was the last time name calling and insults helped anything.

regards....

true, but you can only take the slingin BS for so long....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/your_kids/babies/crying/images/image.jpg

[fishhead]

The Athlon is a very nice processor, it's just that it's realy begining to show it's age. It's not bad, just a bit dated. Things will be nice when the new AMD 64-bit chips arrive. : )

[bs_texas]

HEY!

I resemble them initials!

:p
;)

[bs_texas]

From my latest MaximumPC magazine, March 2003, Pg. 33:

"Regardless, Maximum PC now officially declares the fastest Athlon XP desktop platform to be the performance equal of the fastest Pentium 4 desktop platform."

Each platform outperformed the other in one area or the other.

They were comparing a Pentium 4, 3.06GHz, and and Athlon XP 3000+, 2.167GHZ.

regards....

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by bs_2003
Come on guys. Let's be civil toward each other.

When was the last time name calling and insults helped anything.

regards.... Agreed. Ralph, retoon, and anyone else involved too, calm down. If this gets too out of hand, someone is going to be forced to lock the thread. ;)

[mdwatts]

Originally posted by bwkaz
Agreed. Ralph, retoon, and anyone else involved too, calm down. If this gets too out of hand, someone is going to be forced to lock the thread. ;)

Exactly what I was planning to do as I read through all the comments (and punches).

I will however move to /dev/random for now and if necessary, lock/delete if everyone does not settle down.

[0utlaw]

just for the record, the XP in Athlon XP stands for Xtreme Performance, while the XP in windowsXP stands for XPerience or something to that effect.

[Okie]

i have a AMD AthlonXP and am quite satisfied with the performance of it...

[retoon]

Im sorry, didn't mean to let things get out of hand. I am a big amd fan. HT (Hyper threading) doesn't make a difference as far as performance is invloved, only in a few applications, and even then some other applications don't work all too well with it. Now, my age makes no difference in my opinion, for that reson I won't share it and I know alot for my age. Don't assume that because you are older then me, you know more. I am a consultant for alot of people my age above, and am a technician. My angered response was triggered by another posters ignorant post about the chip. Another thing about the price, the Athlon XP 3000 has just come out. The Pentium 4's starting price was in the upwards of $800.00 where as the price you proboably found at pricewatch.com has dropped, give the athlon xp a few weeks, it will drop. Now, my background, hmmm. First of all I have been a technician at Staples for about a year now. Before that I was an assistant network administrator at a local community college. I was their node analyst and their warranty middle man. I during that time was also a freelance computer consultant. I have my A+ certification, but have been in the industry for more then 6 months:p . After learning everything I could about the windows operating systems, i decided to look into linux. Degrees? I have none yet. I am currently taking a prerequiste course DC/AC circuits, inorder to take Computer electronics so that I can take Computer servicing which I plan to do next semester. I would like to know who you think you are? What are your credentials? Do you deserve to speak? Are you 15-18? Does that make any difference? I realize that the Intel chips are used on more servers and important machines then the AMD chips. But as far as performance is concerned, my experiences with both processors at a tme when I was neutral led me to move toward the athlon. I sat at two machines, and prefered the one with the amd chip in it. I am sorry I jumped into that. I won't do it again.

[garethrussell]

Originally posted by Okie
i have a AMD AthlonXP and am quite satisfied with the performance of it...

Ditto that, and just remember how much cheaper they generally are compared to an Intel. With the change you can buy some other cool loot for your PC.

[ralph wiggum]

maximum PC mag (or whatever its called) is waaaay to biased towards AMD imho.

what were the exact specs of the setup? Just saying "A is faster then B" and not knowing anything more is moot...

AMD DEF makes a great chip and in some cases is cheaper then intel, intel offers compatability, stability and reliability that AMD cannot offer (again imho). This does not mean that AMD makes unreliable, unstable and uncompatible chips...

Ive used both CPU's a lot, and everytime I tried to use linux with AMD, I had some sort of compatibility problem with the chipset (via and nvidia). I know its not AMDs fault, but the chipsets that are offered with AMD cant hold a candle to intel chipsets. again this is my opinion.....

and btw, I apologize for my earlier post. I just dont like it when people say things like "A is better then B" and state it as fact, without giving any evidence...

[ralph wiggum]

Originally posted by garethrussell
Ditto that, and just remember how much cheaper they generally are compared to an Intel. With the change you can buy some other cool loot for your PC.

the price diff isnt that big anymore, the biggest gap I could find is like $50

computer wise, what can you get for $50 these days?:p

[Gunney]

Originally posted by ralph wiggum
Ive used both CPU's a lot, and everytime I tried to use linux with AMD, I had some sort of compatibility problem with the chipset (via and nvidia). I know its not AMDs fault, but the chipsets that are offered with AMD cant hold a candle to intel chipsets. again this is my opinion.....

Well I've used only AMD Chips with Linux for the last two years and I've never had a single problem.
B4 I get jumped on, I've been in the industry almost five years and spent the last two years in Unix Technical Support and teaching a Unix Security product. Sorry, no degree-- just some experience in the trenches.

Currently I'm running an Athlon XP 2100, FIC Motherboard, 40GB Western Digital HD, 512 MB PC2100 DDR RAM and RH 8.0....

Gunney

[craiggiles]

Come on guys does it really matter whta processor you have???

I have a windows xp only box(well until march when mandrake realease 9.1 that will resize NTFS partitions) with an AMD 1.3ghz processor and to me seems fast enough and not noisy at all.
(well it has a desent fan in it:))

My Mandrake linux/Win98 box uses an Intel celeron 300mhz also that seems fast enough for linux too use, and a little slow on win98.

It isnt the processor that counts some may run hot but if you buy a desent computer make i.e. Dell, Compaq and they all use desent parts you shouldnt have a problem.

And to the person who asked the underlyning question, yes linux will run fine on most modern processors as 95% are based on the x86 architecture, and linux is optimised to run on x86.

The other 5% are mac users:D

[garethrussell]

Originally posted by craiggiles
if you buy a desent computer make i.e. Dell, Compaq and they all use decent parts you shouldnt have a problem.


Many of us build our own PCs :p

[craiggiles]

Well i dont:p
I buy my pc's from stores and there good enough for me, you may build your own pc's but when you have a problem, i.e your mobo gets wrecked where do you turn? you aint got no warranty I have:p
I use Compaq's and even though they have stickers on them saying designed for windows both run linux perfectly:)

[Zoist]

Most PC sellers offer a minimum 1 year parts warranty. A lot of motherboards I have seen come with 3 years warranty too. That's in Australia.

[Zoist]

Originally posted by craiggiles

I use Compaq's

You pay for the name. If you have the money go for it.
I see too many Compaq **** boxes running Celerons and Durons and the consumer doesn't have a clue.

But I NEVER said you were rich or don't know what you are doing.

[craiggiles]

Well i aint rich and when it comes to linux i dont know what i'm doing:D

But I have had three compaq's now one with a celeron and the other two with amd athlons and all three are fine and still working so im happy with them.:)

[craiggiles]

Since when was i a grasshopper, i thought i was a junior grasshopper:confused:

[Zoist]

Thats weird :confused: I thought Grasshoppers start at 100! There has been a lot of discussion about this though. Maybe the admins changed it.
If Linus came to this board would he be a Junior Grasshopper?

[ralph wiggum]

Originally posted by Zoist
If Linus came to this board would he be a Junior Grasshopper?

depends where charlie brown, snoopy and lucie are. I think if he brings his blanket things would be ok.... :p

[Liquid Snake]

The XP means eXtra Performance I think, and even though they run a bit hotter than P4's get a quality heatsink and fan and you'll be fine. Get the biggest heatsink you can buy and run the fan a bit slower. I run my comp 24/7/365 with a Zalman HS and a ball bearing fan cruising at 2500 RPM. I've never lost any sleep. I can't hear it over the heating duct here. No complaints here, the 1.53 is the processor I've owned and the only thing I'd trade it for is a faster one. Oh by the way, at full load it never gets hotter than 125 f. It idles at around 116.

[kaiser79]

Who posts 3rd party audited, industry standard benchmark comparisons (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_1274_3734^3750,00.html) on their web site?

AMD.

'nuff said.

Why pay way more for less performance? True AMDs run a bit faster, but anyone can strap a screaming loud fan on a processor!

The XP in the name is only AMD's idiot marketing team trying to pick up on a buzz term. It means absolutely nothing.

[chatins]

So you've got a 20 racks of 40 1*3u xeon blade servers, that don't impress me much - shania twain

Both AMD and Intel run limewire just fine.

[ralph wiggum]

Originally posted by kaiser79
Who posts 3rd party audited, industry standard benchmark comparisons (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_1274_3734^3750,00.html) on their web site?

AMD.

'nuff said.

Why pay way more for less performance? True AMDs run a bit faster, but anyone can strap a screaming loud fan on a processor!

The XP in the name is only AMD's idiot marketing team trying to pick up on a buzz term. It means absolutely nothing.

lol. dont trust benchmarks that are from the company themselves. I can show you benchmarks from intel that say the opposite of what those from AMD says. So whose telling the truth? Who knows, treat them both as liers!

Do you honestly think a company would say "Ok, Their product is better then ours, but come on!". No matter what, they will say their product is better. Dont believe what big companies tell you people!

[ralph wiggum]

after looking at the specs a littler closer (which is hella hard to do because of the small *** print) ive realized this test is completely moot!

Look at these BS specs! (if you can without giving yourself a headache like I did to myself)

The chipset for the intel is an old *** 845G, and the AMD uses the nforce2 chipset!

im calling BS just because the 2 boards are SOOOO completely different. If the AMD used a VIA KT333 board, or intel used GB.... I wouldnt ***** about the specs, theyd be much closer together then dual channel 400 for AMD and single 266 for intel :rolleyes:

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by ralph wiggum
lol. dont trust benchmarks that are from the company themselves. Too bad those benchmarks AREN'T.

Notice the "3rd party" in the description there? Yeah, the definition of 3rd party is "not by the company". PriceWaterhouseCooper, AFAIK, is not affiliated with either Intel or AMD, hence the "3rd party".

Now you do have a valid point about the chipset, but don't immediately assume that just because the benchmark results are hosted on AMD's site that the organization that did the benches is automatically AMD. :rolleyes:

But again, there are lies, there are d*mn lies, and then there are (synthetic) benchmarks, so yeah.

[ralph wiggum]

Originally posted by bwkaz
...don't immediately assume that just because the benchmark results are hosted on AMD's site that the organization that did the benches is automatically AMD. :rolleyes:


why not? :confused:

just because a company throws in something like "This was done by a 3rd party! You can trust us...." doesnt mean its 100% valid to me. I ask questions and dont believe everything I am told.....

why is it so bad that I dont believe everything I read on the internet? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bwkaz

But again, there are lies, there are d*mn lies, and then there are (synthetic) benchmarks, so yeah.

so how do you seperate the "lies" from the (synthetic) benchmarks? Just go by what your told? Not ask questions? Assume its BS until you know otherwise? so yeah.

[CMonster]

"Athalon" -there is no such processor

But Athlon XPs work great with Linux -using one with Linux as I write this :)

I remmeber when the Pentium 133 was $845.00 -and I am glad for competition because Sander's AMD helped keep the "Grove Empire" in check.

I always supported AMD -even stupidly sometimes- refusing to believe that the K6 and K6-2/3 were actually inferior chips (which they were -let's face it folks), but now that Intel seems to have come down to earth and back to reality instead of trying to dictate the market, I find that Intel chips since the later P3s, P3-Celerons, and now the P4 series are actually a good deal and perform quite well.

Of course, I was an Nvidia fan since the Riva 128 when most of you were probably bowing down on your hands and knees chanting "All-mighty 3dfx, All-mighty VooDoo"

[AussieJohn]

Surely the thing about a "noisy" CPU has got to be a joke. I think this person is is just trailing bait . Surely can't be that stupid. Of course the other repliers are correct in saying there no noise is emitted by the CPU, only the fan. Do what lots of other users do and get a decent fan unit to mount on the CPU say something like an 80 or 90mm fan because they push a lot of air at much lower revs and as a further benefit the fans own bearings run cooler giving longer fan life.
I too have a 60mm fan on my AMD1600 XP (Soon to be replaced by an 80mm fan unit on an all copper heatsink) I have 2 of 120mm fans , 1 of 90mm and 1 of 80mm and yet the noise of the 60mm fan on the cpu rides abone all of the rest combined. Are AMDs hot running??? My CPU runs at 48 celsius and this is in an enviroment of up to 30 degrees C ( I live in Tropical North Australia and mostly don't use air conditioning) and I have assured that this quite a normal running temp and I certainly would not call it high.

If you dont replace your fan now then when it does kark it will certainly destroy your CPU before you even have time to turn off the power. You will have caused the destruction of your CPU and not the failing fan.

The comment made about the comparisons of AMD versus Pent4 are senseless. When I bought mine it was because i noticed that the vast majority of the people, on numerous website forums of all kinds dealing modding or anything dealing with personal built computers, used AMDs of one kind or another. And I have not been disappointed let me tell you.
So the next time you make such a ludicrous statement don't just change your feet, take your foot out of your mouth.

PS I am 68 yrs old but only the last 2 1/2 years into computers and Like many others, I have built my own system entirely not just modified a premade unit . What I have learnt anyone can learn. So learn and don't pretend you know. John

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by ralph wiggum
so how do you seperate the "lies" from the (synthetic) benchmarks? Just go by what your told? Not ask questions? Assume its BS until you know otherwise? so yeah. You've obviously never heard that saying before, have you.

[ralph wiggum]

Originally posted by AussieJohn
Surely the thing about a "noisy" CPU has got to be a joke. I think this person is is just trailing bait

you want quiet? water cool it :)
it works great.

Im a little shocked that people blame the noise on the CPU, none of these people noticed a big honkin fan on top of that CPU?

Originally posted by bwkaz
You've obviously never heard that saying before, have you.

Dont jive me, turkey. I gots guidelines along with means and ways for you and your friend there.

The answer to your inquiry is quite obvious.

[mrussel1]

It's nice to see that the processor debate is alive and well!

To add my two cents to what is already a large fortune, I would say choosing a processor is a two-step process:

1 - Decide how much you are willing to spend.

2 - Get the processor that gives the best performance in your price range.

I would advise you to forget brand loyalty and go for the best product. AMD has historically given a better performance/price ratio, but Intel is making good strides in that area.

There are a lot of good websites to help in your choice. Tom's Hardware Guide just put out a huge CPU comparison (http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/index.html).