I like linux but.... (grumbling)

[itor66]

there are some things that just don't run on it for a new user.

There are some games that just don't fit under wine or linux in general.

grumble....
*****...
moan...
complain....

other than that, it is a decent o/s.

[Raoul_Duke]

Gaming isn't Linux's strongest point....but it's getting better all the time ;)

[mangeli]

Originally posted by Raoul_Duke
Gaming isn't Linux's strongest point....but it's getting better all the time ;)

I don't know... I like Frozen Bubble and tuxracer. Katomic is fun every now and then as well.....

[CMonster]

Too often I see posts that say something like "Help! I am a complete Linux noob and need help installing WINE so my Winblows games will work."

As soon as they install Linux they want it to work "like Windows," why the h3ll did they leave Windows in the first place then? They want to see what all the Linux comotion is about -sheese! As if Linux were the latest game or something.

[Sierra]

Too true! Trying to get my DH to use Linux and he says he doesn't mind, but...

He wants to click on a file and have it install--"Windows doesn't make me go to a command line"

And he can't play Alien X or some other dumb game 'cause there's no Macromedia Shockwave plugin for Linux.

Whatever!

So use Windows and pay for it.

[pr0c]

Originally posted by CMonster
Too often I see posts that say something like "Help! I am a complete Linux noob and need help installing WINE so my Winblows games will work."

As soon as they install Linux they want it to work "like Windows," why the h3ll did they leave Windows in the first place then? They want to see what all the Linux comotion is about -sheese! As if Linux were the latest game or something.

Some people PURCHASE their games and dont' want them to go to waste. Simple as that.

10 games at 50 bux each... 500 dollars gone if you can't play them in your new OS. It would be foolish to not even attempt to get them to run.

[Sierra]

That's true--in my case my DH wants to play MS Flight Simulator; so okay, he needs MS Windows to do that. And, while there are some games for Linux, right now if you are a "gamer", MS is where it's at. (So far as I can tell anyway--I am not much for games--although personally I like frozenbubble.)

I like Linux because it gives me a choice and to be perfectly honest, because it's free (or low cost) and I can do most of what I want to do with it.

But to "try" Linux and then complain because it isn't just like Windows doesn't make sense.

[CMonster]

Some people PURCHASE their games and dont' want them to go to waste. Simple as that. -and they probably play perfectly well in Windows, so keep Windows for the things Windows is good for, and if you choose, use Linux for what Linux is good for... I mean if someone has $500 worth of PC games it is probably true that they already have Windows --I would think.

Don't get me wrong -I understand the desire and various motivations for someone to want to do everything from Linux, but there is also nothing wrong with dual booting or even a second box dedicated to either of the two OSs.

I just get a little ticked off when people install Linux for the first time and before they even have an idea of what Linux can do they want their Windows games to work -I mean before they even know if thier printer works in Linux.

[CMonster]

BTW -Sierra- glad to see a new user here :D

[plattypus1]

Just a small contribution...

I'm a gamer, and I am in the process of learning Linux (and what a process...). I use a bual-boot system, WinXP and Redhat 8.0, and I understand itor's frustration. Since I installed Linux, I found myself working in it more often than not, and it's a real PITA to have to reboot into Windoze just to get into a game I want to play.

Let's just hope the open-source revolution is succesful and the companies start churning out the games for Linux, but I'm not holding my breath.

[glaston]

It never ceases to amaze me on this point.
I have a friend who uses a computer for nothing but games. When he sees a computer, he doesn't see a computer. He sees a gaming console. It frustrates me to no end. Yeah, it's fine to play games. But that's all he does. He pays no attention when I talk about the power a computer puts at your fingertips. He only thinks games.

Well, if you're a gamer, it's reasonable to assume your purchase these games in a store bought box.
The "system requirements" printed on the box are just that. Requirements! Not suggestions!
They aren't there to take up empty space on the box, or as a decoration! They are telling you waht you NEED to run the game.
For many, this gaming obsession has probably been going on for some time. A few years back, the trouble was running games on an NT based windows OS. It didn't work well because NT doesn't allow the game to access the hardware directly.
Now, with this in mind, it makes no sense for a person to think that a non-windows OS will have the ability to play windows games.
I think the trouble arises when a person doesn't take the time to familiarize themselves with each OS' strongpoints and weaknesses.
When people see the computer as nothing more than a web and email client, and a gaming console, that's part of the problem. Then they hear all this hype about Linux. Chances are that you didn't hear about Linux off of a gaming website, but probably somewhere that people use the computer for more than some sort of a consumer based console.
Gaming is a consumer based activity. Linux is NOT a consumer based OS!
Some games may run under wine. But if I remember correctly, things that run under wine use the mfc library. And I don't think the mfc library is really used much anymore.
It states somewhere in the wine documentation that games and apps that run well under win3.x will work best with wine.
And if you have a game collection that is worth lots of cash, and that you want to use alot, then maybe Linux isn't for you!?
If the whole concept of libraries, and program functions is completely beyond your scope of knowledge, then Linux definitely is NOT for you!

Maybe the linux.org or linuxiso websites need a huge disclaimer that not a soul could miss. Plainly stating that Linux is NOT a wndows game OS. Then maybe some people will think twice before switching when all they really want is to see what all the hype about Linux is, and play their windows games.

[legelf]

I use linux. I also use windows xp. H3ll I'll use anything if it accomplishises what I want it to do.

The hot trend today is Games. Windows runs all the latest greatest ones. Linux is too much for the average person. Install and setup wine in order to maybe run the game you just purchased for $65.00 Cdn (EH!). Not Me! I'll run em' in XP with the nvidia detonator drivers thank you.

I've been living in XP for the past two months (just got my copy) learning the new OS. I had this strange feeling of dejavu. I had been using Mandrake 9.0 for the previous 2 months and XP seemed similar.

Linux is cool though because you can do just about anything with only a little bit of creativity. I'm thinking SMP and Linux/XP dualboot.

[CMonster]

Not Me! I'll run em' in XP with the nvidia detonator drivers thank you. --I second that! (even though I haven't purchased XP and don't have a copy)

...and this idea that dual booting is a hassle... omg, it takes an extra minute or two...bfd

[Saptech]

I can't quite understand it either, why as soon as they get Linux installed, the first thing they do is install Wine so they can get some type of Windoze program running! :rolleyes:

[glaston]

Linux is too much for the average person. :confused:
I see it as the other way around. So what you're saying is that gamers are not the average person? It seems to me that everyone and their brother, mother, father, sister, grandmother, grandfather, nephew, etc. Are buying up games left and right, running them under WinXP on that new Dell they got for christmas.
That doesn't strike me as an above average group of people. Seems more like your average consumer being sold things they don't need, but want because the latest advertising methods have convinced them they can't live without them!
Linux users tend to be programmers, computer security, or network administrators. That use Linux for a multitude of reasons, none of them being the latest and greatest games.
Me personally, I own a Playstation 2 and an Xbox for games. I don't use any of my computers for games! It's a waste of space, and resources. Plus you can't lay on the couch while playing computer games. You have to sit at attention in front of the monitor at all times.

I also don't get into all these flashy games. My favorite genre of games is 'Survival-Horror'. I love the resident evil series, and Silent Hill.
I've also kind of gotten into the devil may cry.
I don't get into 1st person shooters either. I like games that have a combination of action, weapons, nice environments, and hard puzzle solving. Also great cinematics. I am in love with Silent Hill 2! It's got great environments, has a sort of soap opera like feel to the cinematic aspects of it. Plus it ahs real hard puzzles and gross creatures.
Your Halo and Half Life, Unreal stuff ya can keep! I'm not into that glorified violence type of stuff. Anyone can point and shoot! I like mental stimulation. And not just mental stimulation of "blowing up monsters and bad guys".
I was into that stuff when I was about 12 or 13.

[conno]

I agree with glaston. It costs a lot more to spec out the pc to play good games than it would to buy a ps2 or xbox. There is also the multiplayer side to look at, that consoles handle better OOTB.

conno

[itor66]

I like my libranet very much. And it prints and checks email and browses the web and even plays games....

My point was that this is the gripe forum and yes, some of us have things that linux don't do yet.

and so what if someone sees a game console instead of a computer....computers are tools for whatever you want them for, and this includes linux and windows.

Thanks for the input,

[itor66]

I do dual boot xp and libranet.