techtv sells out on linux

[dkeav]

that pirillo guy is really getting on my nerves this was at the bottom of one of callforhelps mailinglist emails

"" Linux
I think Linux, an alternative operating system, has an ugly interface, no matter which distribution you install. In my opinion, free software is the only real benefit of using Linux.

-- Chris Pirillo
gnome@techtv.com""

what arrogance, i think its about time Chris Dibona sit down with him or beat some sense into him just because he's to lazy to put a little bit of effort into it does'nt me you can just write if off the books, but welcome to the problem with todays world laziness oh well

just my $0.02 U.S.

[vbp6us]

Wow..he said that? What jerk. So was this on air or an email?

[Icarus]

How odd...he use to say good things about Linux, expecially SuSE...

Guess after so many 'stupid windows questions' his brain is fried :D

[ssjf]

Lol.

To me it just seems like the comments coming from an ignorant person who has never really seen some of the eye-candy that we have made on a linux system. You can tell that he is really ignorant from the line "no matter what distribution you install". As if it matters what distribution you install. /me sighs. When you can get linux to look EXACTLY like WinXP or OSX, I don't see how he can say that linux has an ugly interface no matter what. Besides - is he suggesting that Windows has a nice interface - with its 10 some-odd customization options - compared with countless customizations you can make in linux (you can even go as far as changing the code). We should send him over to the screenshots thread in these forums (it hasn't been deleted yet, has it?)

Its the brainwashed people that think they are smart that are brainwashing everyone else.

Finally --> I can understand his problem with a lot of other things negative that have all too often been brought up in the inevitable arguement. But INTERFACE???

Oh well. People watching TechTV deserve to be sticking with windows anyway.

[hlrguy]

Letter just sent to address above...:) Attached jpeg here is only 77% to fit under the 100K size limit.

hlrguy

Hello,

The following was attributed to you at JustLinux.com. If this is incorrect, my apologies.
If it is true, I attached a screenshot of the terrible interface I have to put up with. I mean,
6 virtual destops to keep track of, sharp colors and a snazzy interface...you get the hardship.

No response expected, I never get any for techtv anyway. Just thought you might open your
eyes. Forgive any graininess as this is jeg with only 85% quality to preserve size. If you want the
perfect copy, reply, I'll send it.

Redhat 8.0
1280x1024

"" Linux
I think Linux, an alternative operating system, has an ugly interface, no matter which distribution you install. In my opinion, free software is the only real benefit of using Linux.

-- Chris Pirillo

[Hayl]

LOL

[Icarus]

w00t hlrguy :D
didn't mention that that was mostly default Red Hat with a few extra applets using KDE didn't you ;)

[vbp6us]

I honestly think you could have sent the dude an even better "default" screenshot. Possibly from SuSE or MAndrake. :D


That one isnt bad compared to windows though. Anyone else here get tired of the Xp theme? I dont think i'll ever get tired of any linux desktops. :)

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by vbp6us
I honestly think you could have sent the dude an even better "default" screenshot. Possibly from SuSE or MAndrake. :D

That one isnt bad compared to windows though. Anyone else here get tired of the Xp theme? I dont think i'll ever get tired of any linux desktops. :)

That is my work desktop. I have a snazzier one that is less cluttered and more funky that I use when not working. I use everything on the screen, so it is more 'functional'. Nothing stopping anyone else from sending a gentle 'You don't know what your talking about screenshot'. :)

hlrguy

[vbp6us]

lol...I just might. ;)

I hope i didnt offend you or anything. Man gets offened when his surrounding is questioned/criticized. Not that i criticized you or anything. :D

[dkeav]

well in regards to why he did it

it does make sense since the network is owned by paul allen well why tack on a few extra bucks to the ole paycheck to put down competiton hmmmm kinda like the RIAA paying radiostations not to say who sings songs so ppl cant just go and dl them right after they here em on the radio

[dkeav]

personnaly i just think pirillo is getting a lil cocky answering all those how to move a folder on the desktop and delete my trash questions is giving him a big head and the ability to memorize a bunch of terms whether you know what they mean or not

sooner or later somebody is gonna tell him that answer questions like that does'nt make him a genious

or if it does ppl like mdwatts and hundreds of other members of this forum are mensa material

but of course that doesnt mean you can act like a jerkoff and make an *** of yourself and read from a teleprompter either

must be a hard life huh

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by vbp6us
lol...I just might. ;)

I hope i didnt offend you or anything. Man gets offened when his surrounding is questioned/criticized. Not that i criticized you or anything. :D

Absolutely not. No worries. :)

hlrguy

[GeekGuy]

Remember - ALL television shows are funded by corporates. If I were Gates, paying for this show, I would probably want him to say the same thing.

There is another show, run by Dave Chalk that's quite a bit older than Tech TV. I have met him personally. He admits he really can't put in his real opinion :(

[carrja99]

Originally posted by dkeav
personnaly i just think pirillo is getting a lil cocky answering all those how to move a folder on the desktop and delete my trash questions is giving him a big head and the ability to memorize a bunch of terms whether you know what they mean or not

sooner or later somebody is gonna tell him that answer questions like that does'nt make him a genious

or if it does ppl like mdwatts and hundreds of other members of this forum are mensa material

but of course that doesnt mean you can act like a jerkoff and make an *** of yourself and read from a teleprompter either

must be a hard life huh

Why can't I find jobs that are as easy as that? I'm unemployed!! :mad:

[dkeav]

no kiddin ill lie and say i love windows and tell ppl how to use windows explorer for that kinda money im not shameful but im not gonna go bashing other things that i dont know about just to prove that i dont understand what im talking about

but hey techtv if you need a 25 white guy from the midwest im more violent than patrick norton and a bigger smartass than the dork with the beard ill work for cheaper too:D

[skidhmor]

Originally posted by dkeav
that pirillo guy is really getting on my nerves this was at the bottom of one of callforhelps mailinglist emails

"" Linux
I think Linux, an alternative operating system, has an ugly interface, no matter which distribution you install. In my opinion, free software is the only real benefit of using Linux.

-- Chris Pirillo
gnome@techtv.com""

what arrogance, i think its about time Chris Dibona sit down with him or beat some sense into him just because he's to lazy to put a little bit of effort into it does'nt me you can just write if off the books, but welcome to the problem with todays world laziness oh well

just my $0.02 U.S.

Chris Pirillo mat think Linux has an ugly UI, but that does not mean that he is anti-linux. He started a windows email newsletter called Lockergnome in 1998, which has expanded quite a bit over the years, even in the face of the dotcom meltdown. Last year, or maybe the year before, Chris found some people willing to write/edit editions focused on subjects other thatn windows tips&tricks. One such newsletter, called the 'PenguinShell' (http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/penguinshell.html), focuses on linux.
I subscribe to this newsletter, and I find it both useful and informative.
In fact, according to Netcraft (http://www.netcraft.com/oldwhats/?host=help.lockergnome.com%3A80&Examine=Wait..) the Lockergnome forums are running Apache on Linux.

[dkeav]

never said he was anit-linux

just pointing out the comment, that someone of his supposed caliber should know better than to say, hell theres just one thread in this forum ie "Screenshots anyone" that can prove that, the point is you expect someone who is supposed to know their tech to know the difference between ugly, and STOCK configuration and if hes comparing linux to XP thats even worse wow you get a whole three colors you can change the taske bar too thats it thats the limit of your fun changing your background but thats not really considered OSX may give some competition but hell you can make linux look and pretty much feel just like OSX too

i like Chris he's a good person, but i think he needs to do his research

[JohnT]

To be balance things out, the Lockergnome consortium of which he heads-up has an excellent daily called Penguin Shell on nothing , but Linux. I would suggest subscribing as it's full of distro install reviews and application links and reviews and short tutorials by a pretty knowledgable guy. Here's the online example. The one you receive in your mail is formatted slightly different, nicer IMHO.

http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/penguinshell.html

[sasKuatch]

Think that's bad? Check out the last issue of PC Mag.


Red Hat Release Makes Linux More Approachable
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,847737,00.asp



Run Office Apps on Linux
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,847752,00.asp

:rolleyes:

[bwkaz]

Yeah, but that's exactly the sort of thing I expect from PC Mag.

That's most of the reason why we stopped getting it at home. It used to have all sorts of cool tips, programming stuff (of course, it was Win32 -- and usually Delphi -- but hey, you can't have everything), and whatnot, but in the year or so before we stopped renewing, it turned into "how to REALLY delete your history files for IE" EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.

It got quite annoying. "Running Office apps on Linux" is just the kind of thing that makes perfect sense coming from them.

[JohnT]

PC Mag excerpt....Red Hat Linux 8.0 is headed in the right direction, but it still doesn't quite bridge the gap between Linux and Microsoft Windows

Why does it fall to Linux to bridge the gap. Should the Northside of the Grand Canyon come over to the Southside to bridge the gap. I think it's as prevalent on Windows to come half-way. A bridge is just that "A bridge".

[JohnT]

PC Mag excerpt.....Hence CrossOver differs from other Microsoft Office–compatible Linux applications in that it actually lets you run Microsoft Office itself on Linux. There is no need to learn a new application.

And MS Office is able to run what?????Hm-m-m, MS Office.

[dkeav]

hmmm how long would it take linux developers to finish that gap if ms would hand over some source code about a week, couple hours, of course then they wouldnt be able to charge a quarter million for powerpoint and the like anymore

just in case someone is reading my responses wrong, at all times I am being sarcastic, a smartass, and very judgemental, please do not draw conclusions on my character from this post, its all in good fun

[jdii1215]

Why does Chris Pirillo say this to me???
This is a paste of my flame to him and his reply:


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I was misquoted.

C



> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Danielson, II [mailto:Jdii12155@netscape.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:19 AM
> To: gnome@techtv.com; support@techtv.com
> Subject: Next time don't insert both feet!
>
>
> MR Pirillo, please in future check out the latest version of a product
> before saying that an interface is ugly
>
> IN FACT, KDE 3.1 is one of the most configurable and pretty interfaces
> available for the Linux you called ugly-- I have only 200 Truetypes in
> it, and all but one was usable for its system fonting (that one was
> corrupt). I can choose from about 30 combinations of looks. I have 7
> desktops at 1024x768x24 bit color. Linux is using about 905 MB of RAM,
> the rest is reserved for Win4Lin 4.0. I am surfing in Netscape 7.0.1 for
> Linux, from Mandrake 9.0 PowerPack (yes, I updated KDE).
>
> This in fact can be prettier by far than XP or 2000. Kindly keep your
> uninformed opinions to yourself-- I have been using computers (I did NOT
> say PCs) since before you were BORN, sir. I have played with GUIs
> starting in 1988.
>
> In fact, your hyper-opinionated off-the-cuff outbursts are one reason I
> no longer get the gnome newsletters, and your merchandising of
> hyper-expensive software with expensive support that on 2 of the last
> three calls and 8 of the last 10 would do nothing for me while panning
> software with less expensive support and lower cost to purchase is
> ludicruous in the extreme. In fact, the Open Source movement has so
> impacted Microsoft that they told eWeek they would have to be lowering
> their prices. Hereafter, research heavily first.
>
> John C. Danielson, II
>

[JohnT]

Find the article and determine if it was written by himself or verbatim by another and then hit him with the flame-thrower again. On high. LOL
(sounds like a recent political pundit)

[Penrich]

If the email went out with his name on it, from his show, with that line in it, then he is responsible for it. Does he not bother to check the emails before they go out? To claim that he was misquoted is insufficient - he either needs to stand by "his" comment, or publish a full retraction, explaining how that line got into "his" email.

[hlrguy]

I got a reply from my initial email, and basically said that he was misquoted. He stated he would reply directly to this forum so I didn't say anything. I had thought he was going to put the origional statement here. He did mention that, in one CFH episode, he stated that if people wanted to try another OS, OS-10 would suffice, and that Linux was GREAT for the server.

I honestly don't think he has taken a late model version of Linux on the desktop for a 'drive' and still thinks it is only suitable for the server. Where usability and reliability are SO FAR BEYOND CRITICAL cause she is 2000 miles away, my 65+ Mom would disagree and Loves Mandrake. (read DUMPED MS like the bad habit it was cause it just wouldn't remain reliable). She was worried at first, but I had configured it to a T like it would come from the factory preinstalled. NOTHING, ZERO problems since I installed. There was NEVER a time when something wasn't working when she was using Windows. Ever.

hlrguy

[Seph64]

Bah, that is just Chris Pirillo. I'd expect him to say something like that. Since he seemed to have (in the past when he started hosting CFH) finding the Keyboard Character Map in Windows. I think I laughed my *** off. Leo was a much better host for CFH, and I never heard him bash Linux.

[dkeav]

thats because leo is the shiznit:D minus the book plugs