Attention all people interested in linux for Desktop purposes!

[BFK4ever]

If you have a decent amount of knowledge I would recomend you try J.A.M.D. Linux version 0.0.4. It has Redhat's installer, and is for i686 processors. That's right ladies and gentlemen a relativly FAST redhat! It contains KDE by default, with a Crystal Icon theme, and a default desktop that looks even better than the default YOPER RC3! (wow a lot of default in that sentance eh?) Seriously guys this is YOPER w/out the BS! This is the definative linux desktop that people like myself have been waiting for! It's only one cd, and has ALL the best features one could want! O and I forgot to mention something... apt-get installed, with one of the sources from the official J.A.M.D. linux server! This OS is everything YOPER wants to be, and then some! This guy (jim) doesn't ask for money like the yoper team does, and J.A.M.D. stands for just another modified distribution, to keep it so the distro NEVER goes corperate! Honestly you guys won't believe how great this OS is. So what are you waiting for? Give it a try now! I highly recomend installing this if you run Redhat 8.0, and want a more desktop oriented OS.

Bottom line:
Best OS I have ever used in my life (no joke).

EDIT: Sharth reminded me to add a link, here it is:
http://www.boycottmicrosoft.net/jamd/

[sharth]

But I run debian...

and you really should include a webpage. :D Us linux ppl are lazy.. Also, the first link I got was The Jewish Academy of Metropolitan Detroit, I think that that is very misleading of you. You bad bad person of you. Leading us to religion instead of linux.

Here's a link by the way. http://www.boycottmicrosoft.net/jamd/

[BFK4ever]

Sharth I just tried Debian GNU 3.0, it's nice! However I like more of a desktop oriented OS, so I went with YOPER. You can always dual-boot man! :D

[bosox79]

I just got my RH 8.0 box setup the way I wanted it to look, but maybe I will put J.A.M.D. on another partition :D

[sharth]

bah, you and your quick reply... read my edit :)

[BFK4ever]

I tried Redhat 8.0 for 4 days, and got it EXACTLY how I wanted it. Then I decided to try Debian, which was nice, but not my style. So then I tried what I have been wanting to try for a LOOONNNGGG time J.A.M.D. Linux, and I have been running it a whole 2-3 hours, and I love it!
Go ahead and make that extra partition, or free up some space with an excellent software called gnuparted!

EDIT: I was going to include a webpage, but I am sooo excited ;)

So you use google too? Well then again who doesn't, that search engine is the undisputed CHAMPION :O)

[mocnicom]

i686, so my p3 would qualify then?

[BFK4ever]

it most ceirtainly would mocnicom!

I believe i686 is from pentium 2 (i think) 266 mhz? Correct me about the mhz if I am wrong.
Anyhow mocnicom a pentium 3 will run it with flying colors :O)

[Dun'kalis]

Its anything above and including Pentium Pro. MHz numbers don't matter here.

[BigFatJoe]

Originally posted by BFK4ever
Sharth I just tried Debian GNU 3.0, it's nice! However I like more of a desktop oriented OS, so I went with YOPER. You can always dual-boot man! :D

I dont understand how one distro could be more "desktop" based then another. It only would appear to be the packages installed. If you have debian, then just apt-get any of your "desktop .progs". What more do you ppl want?
How about we go and redo the unix hierarchy:

/home
/progs
/icons
/xmms-plugins
/games
/wine

Am I really missing the point? in that case, point out the *advantages* of a "desktop" based distro.

[bosox79]

Originally posted by BFK4ever
I tried Redhat 8.0 for 4 days, and got it EXACTLY how I wanted it. Then I decided to try Debian, which was nice, but not my style. So then I tried what I have been wanting to try for a LOOONNNGGG time J.A.M.D. Linux, and I have been running it a whole 2-3 hours, and I love it!
Go ahead and make that extra partition, or free up some space with an excellent software called gnuparted!

EDIT: I was going to include a webpage, but I am sooo excited ;)

So you use google too? Well then again who doesn't, that search engine is the undisputed CHAMPION :O)

BFK4ever,

Thanks for the advice! :cool:

[Metalhead01]

I already have the pperfect desktop Linux distro: Gentoo!


P.S. Dun'kalis-Change the freakin' avatar already!
:)

[linux12414]

I'll stick with Slackware, thanks....does the job for me.

[BFK4ever]

I can preach about how good J.A.M.D. is forever, but I will give you just 3 simple reasons. If you want to know more TRY it! If you have a high-speed connection it's only one disk, give it a shot man!

1. apt-get installed, and can use rpm's (I installed NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm
and NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4191.rh80up_2.4.18_18.8.0.athlon.rpm sucessfully!
2. Definetly not bloated. It's based off Redhat, but I bet it's not even half the size! Only includes KDE as WM, Mozilla as webrowser, Vi as text editor, no emacs :O(, Only the best games!, XMMS no noatun as mp3 player. Basically the best of applications, that should appeal to a high percentage of users!
3. i686 optimized

Bottom line:
Try it cause Rufus the bum said so!

[bosox79]

Originally posted by BigFatJoe
I dont understand how one distro could be more "desktop" based then another. It only would appear to be the packages installed. If you have debian, then just apt-get any of your "desktop .progs". What more do you ppl want?
How about we go and redo the unix hierarchy:

/home
/progs
/icons
/xmms-plugins
/games
/wine

Am I really missing the point? in that case, point out the *advantages* of a "desktop" based distro.

I think BFK4ever meant that a desktop distro is setup for desktop use right out of the box, rather then having to get packages via apt-get.:cool: although I could be mistaken!

[BFK4ever]

bsosox is absolutly correct. I am talking about out-of-the-box satisfaction. (Even though J.A.M.D. doesn't come in a box well because of ...... bla bla..... bla.....)

Sure you can use apt-get to get a FULLY customizable system. Apt-get is an uber-ez way of getting a system EXACTLY how you want it. But do you really feel like typing 'apt-get install blablabla' everytime you want something? (Well actually you Debian users probably don't mind, damn! ;) ) Also the stable sources contain older software, an example of this is when I did apt-get install mozilla I got 1.0.0 that is far too old for my liking! (Yes I know I could have specified a different source... STOP YELLING AT ME, lol :D )

And that dude does need to get a new avatar, as I do also... And I thank that dude for correcting me on exactly what i686 optimized is :D

Thanks dude!

[bwkaz]

Meh, I think I'll stick with LFS. For the reasons below:

Originally posted by BFK4ever
1. apt-get installed, and can use rpm's (I installed NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm
and <some nVidia kernel for a RH Linix kernel, which I'm surprised worked> sucessfully! I'm not convinced that this is a feature. There are tarballs for everything, and tarballs are the native package format of LFS.

2. Definitely not bloated. It's based off Redhat, but I bet it's not even half the size!... What "size" is RedHat? I bet my LFS system, with the tarballs deleted (they're on the disk just so I don't have to go redownload them when I install to a new partition) is smaller than your system would be with the same packages installed (I used -Os on a few important packages, which tells gcc to optimize for size instead of speed).

3. i686 optimized Yeah, mine's Athlon-XP, MMX, SSE, 3Dnow, floating-point-should-use-SSE optimized.

And LFS is extremely easy, for me. I've even got some sort of package management -- every package is assigned a user, and that user owns every file that the package installs. Makes removal a walk in the park.

My point? It all depends on what you need and want.

[BFK4ever]

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LFS is for pro linux users. If you can use LFS in my book you are considered a linux guru! Give bwkaz a bow :O)

If I had a perfect LFS system on my box, I would NEVER let it go! LFS is by far speedier than J.A.M.D., smaller, o wait and harder too ;)

Congrats on the successful LFS install!!!!!!!!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Still amazed.

EDIT: This new KDE fetish of mine isn't too cool either. Sacrificing speed for eye candy lol! I should go back to my former love fluxbox, but everything is so damn nice in J.A.M.D. with the keramic theme, and Crystal Beta icons :O)

[Dun'kalis]

I had LFS, but I wanted to replace my old Debian with it, but didn't want to start over. This was before Knoppix.

So, later, I nuked it with CRUX, and I hated its packager, so I began writing one of my own, which worked fine, but I wanted a new project...

Enter Gentoo.

I tried Gentoo a long time ago, but I knew nothing about Linux. I was truly lost.

I have been found! By Larry the Cow!

[KarrottoP]

here is my $0.2

I love apt-get, yes I do want to run apt whenever I want an applications, or I could use aptitude or I could use synaptic, so I have options, I also like the menu configuration that debian has for alot of apps. And second, and this is the main reason that I did not spend much time at the yoper site is because I do not like KDE very much, I favor an odd configuration of gnome that allows me very little clutter on the desktop...as a matter of fact I do not run nautalus for my desktop, I don't really have a desktop...its just sawfish and the gnome 2 panel.

If you want to see something really interesting check out www.atheos.com It is fairly worthless as a desktop os right now, but looks like a fun toy I may get into.0-

[BigFatJoe]

Originally posted by bwkaz


<snip>
I'm not convinced that this is a feature. There are tarballs for everything, and tarballs are the native package format of LFS.
<snip>
I've even got some sort of package management
<snip>



I have one question: I was thinking of doing a LFS on a new HD, but I have one thing that is bugging me really bad. How do you keep up to date on security exploits/package updates? I hope you don't have to sift through tons of mailing lists.... Or do you really not update too often? See, this is one of the finer points of Debian...the quaity of their packages and that they're usually on top of their security. This would be one of the few remaining reasons why I could not dump Debian: I have no problem with compiling, etc. but I would not have the time to keep up-to-date on exploits and so forth. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade is just so great! :D

[sharth]

Originally posted by BFK4ever
I can preach about how good J.A.M.D. is forever, but I will give you just 3 simple reasons. If you want to know more TRY it! If you have a high-speed connection it's only one disk, give it a shot man!

1. apt-get installed, and can use rpm's (I installed NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm
and NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4191.rh80up_2.4.18_18.8.0.athlon.rpm sucessfully!
2. Definetly not bloated. It's based off Redhat, but I bet it's not even half the size! Only includes KDE as WM, Mozilla as webrowser, Vi as text editor, no emacs :O(, Only the best games!, XMMS no noatun as mp3 player. Basically the best of applications, that should appeal to a high percentage of users!
3. i686 optimized

Bottom line:
Try it cause Rufus the bum said so! The Distro has 2 things going for it. One more so than the other. If it is red-hat based, then hopefully they were smart and kept compatibility with all red-hat packages. If not, then they need some help in the head. The other is the i686 optimazation. It will speed up your computer significantly, which is a good thing :) However, I'm staying with debian, and perhaps gentoo ;)

[CMonster]

I'm always glad to see another Linux distribution but..


I don't need apt-get. I love having more than one WM, one editor, one browser; and a boat load of other applications in the box set CDs is a definate plus. On my system (s) SuSE 8.1 Professional has proven itself fast, clean, and powerful; additionally, I get the satisfaction of supporting the Linux cause with cash and disproving the myth that no profit can be made with GPL software. Oh yeah, the DVD and manual are also a nice bonus -though I don't need the manual.

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by BigFatJoe
I have one question: I was thinking of doing a LFS on a new HD, but I have one thing that is bugging me really bad. How do you keep up to date on security exploits/package updates? I hope you don't have to sift through tons of mailing lists.... Or do you really not update too often? See, this is one of the finer points of Debian...the quaity of their packages and that they're usually on top of their security. This would be one of the few remaining reasons why I could not dump Debian: I have no problem with compiling, etc. but I would not have the time to keep up-to-date on exploits and so forth. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade is just so great! :D Well, right, I don't really. If I hear of something (like the zlib bug) that sounds like it could be a big problem, I just grab the newest tarball off zlib's site and install it.

For example, just today I tried to update Mozilla, and realized that I needed a new version of Pango, which means I needed a new glib and gtk+, and which also meant a new Xft and a copy of font-config. I had Gtk 2.0.4 or something, and got 2.2, the newest on the GNU mirror. I'll upgrade stuff as I need new versions for other things, basically.

Of course, my main computer is behind a pretty locked-down firewall as well, so I only really have to keep that locked down, at least as far as remote attacks go. But this machine isn't even running any servers other than ssh, either, so yeah.

[BFK4ever]

So far I have used all the regular .rpm packages that I would use in RH 8.0 in flawless success. I just used the package manager which is Synaptic in J.A.M.D. linux 0.0.4 to install kopete, my new fav. Instant messanging app :D. It's even better than GAIM! Jim (The creator of J.A.M.D.) Said I should be able to add the apt4rpm default RH 8.0 i386 packages sites to my sources.list! That's great, and so far I am still loving J.A.M.D. linux

Note: J.A.M.D. 0.0.4 has i686 kernel optimization, and some packages, but Jim is still having some trouble with all the i686 packages. So it is not COMPLETELY i686 optimized, but it runs just about as fast as YOPER, and that is COMPLETELY i686 optimized!

[sasKuatch]

Originally posted by bwkaz

And LFS is extremely easy, for me. I've even got some sort of package management -- every package is assigned a user, and that user owns every file that the package installs. Makes removal a walk in the park.


Damn, that's a really good idea. Actually, no. That's brilliant.http://www.xs4all.nl/~cgieliam/worshippy.gif

Care to elaborate on how you set that up?

[spydurs]

Hmmm, gonna take a look into it. Like the idea of single editor, browser, and so on.... So new with Linux I hate all the packages to choose from so :(

Now back to searching about my Ti4200 prob :)

[Can O' Beans]

Some people are already "comfortable" with their disto of choice.

Why really say anything if you haven't even tried it? Who cares if you don't feel like trying it? People should be supporting new distros.

I have an extra hard drive, and was going to do a reinstall of Gentoo, so I'll probably give JAMD a try. Any new decent distro is a good thing :).

If it has a great installer, it might be the new "recomended to newbies" distro, other than the bloated Mandrake & RH.

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by sasKuatch
Damn, that's a really good idea. Actually, no. That's brilliant.http://www.xs4all.nl/~cgieliam/worshippy.gif

Care to elaborate on how you set that up? It's not my idea. :D

http://hints.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/more_control_and_pkg_man.txt for the details...

Though I did do a couple of things slightly differently, I don't remember what they were. :o

[vbp6us]

That distro looks like SuSE. Im sorry im still a noob when it comes to linux. I need a distro that makes installing software "EASY". Is this one of them? I hear .rpms are easy to install so i get this application that unzips RPMS. When i install software that is zipped up as an RPM, i get lots dependancy problems and what not.

Point: I cant get software from the Web, like proftp installed. I like Yast2 cause it does everything for you. Now this distro is supposed to be fast or something? My Suse 8 pro runs pretty fast on a 450mhz AMD. It would be REALLY fast if it were on my 800mhz machine or my p4.

I dont know what aptitude or apt-get is either. Please explain.

[BFK4ever]

Package Management in here is by far the easiest I have ever used! With Synaptic (GUI for apt-get) preinstalled, all you have to do is click on package manager, enter the root password, and your off! You can search for a package that you want, and when you install it, it will install all the needed files that the application needs. This is to prevent lib-hell, or DLL-hell if you are from M$. Synaptic makes it extremely easy for a new user to adjust to apt-get. The way I see it, is synaptic is essentially a windows add/remove tool, with an install, and upgrade option :O). Give it a whirl, and make sure to stop by the J.A.M.D. forums at the site! My forum name there is JAMD4me. If you have a printer make sure to read in the forums for the configuration (easy). But also there was a bug, so you need to install foomatic drivers. As simple as launching package manager, clicking update, select all packages from the dropdown menu, then click the magnifying glass on the left to search! enter foomatic, or whatever it be you want installed, and BAM right there at your fingertips. It's wonderful for newbies and oldbies (just made up that name, hehe) alike! This is why so many peoples like Debian for it's apt-get capabilities :D

EDIT: It will be noticably faster than Redhat at the moment, and a lot less bloated. I consider it Redhat on crack, with less bloat! In the future Jim (the J.A.M.D. developer) wants to make all packages i686, and he is trying, but the current release 0.0.4 is not completly i686 optimized. My guess is 0.0.5 will not be either, but 0.0.6 will most definetly (hopefully :O)

Therefore I would slap it on the 800 mhz machine, as long as you had 256 ram! I always recommend 256 ram if you use the default KDE with eye-candy galore! This is a newbie distro, and for experianced users alike! IMHO it is the Desktop linux the community has been waiting for, get your copy of J.A.M.D. 0.0.4 NOW!!! :D

EDIT#2: If you wish to use some rpm package sources, simply add them to your sources.list under /etc/apt/ If you uncomment one of the freshrpm sources at the bottom, and comment the other, you can now download files made for redhat. I downloaded mplayer, and let Synaptic do the work for me, it even added a Movie Player with an icon under the Sound and Video section of my KDE 'start menu'! Try JAMD linux now , what are you waiting for?:D

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by BFK4ever
all you have to do is click on package manager, enter the root password, and your off! Sounds quite a bit like rpmdrake to me. rpmdrake can even do automatic dependency resolution... *shrug* whatever.

[glaston]

KDE sucks!! So does the psuedo MACOSX themes that are all over!
So boring!! So overdone! So common!?

Be the change that you seek! I am.

[sasKuatch]

KDE sucks!! So does the psuedo MACOSX themes that are all over!
So boring!! So overdone! So common!?

Be the change that you seek! I am.

Yeah! I'm proud to say that my desktop does not look like any other commercial OSs. It more closely resembles one of those consoles from star trek or your sci-fi movie of choice. :D

[BFK4ever]

I want to give Gentoo a go, for the speed, and portage sounds ultra-nice. I would use fluxbox with that, with a killer fire theme that I got from the flux site... O man I really want the final version of Gentoo 1.4 to come out, then I want to try it. This n00b here wants to learn! I bet the system would be uber-fast on my decent hardware, and with fluxbox, maybe openbox... and bla bla bla. I have been wanting to try Gentoo for a time now, and btw Gentoo's portage takes care of dependancy problems right? Thx again guys, dual-boot JAMD and Gentoo sounds cool, Jamming on Gentoo lol (ok not funny ;) )

[Can O' Beans]

Yes, any dependancies are dowloaded & installed before the main program is.

You could try the latest rc. It's worked just fine for most users, but of course, theres the few who have all kinds of problems.

[Sir Henry]

Originally posted by BFK4ever
I can preach about how good J.A.M.D. is forever, but I will give you just 3 simple reasons. If you want to know more TRY it! If you have a high-speed connection it's only one disk, give it a shot man!

1. apt-get installed, and can use rpm's (I installed NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm
and NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4191.rh80up_2.4.18_18.8.0.athlon.rpm sucessfully!
2. Definetly not bloated. It's based off Redhat, but I bet it's not even half the size! Only includes KDE as WM, Mozilla as webrowser, Vi as text editor, no emacs :O(, Only the best games!, XMMS no noatun as mp3 player. Basically the best of applications, that should appeal to a high percentage of users!
3. i686 optimized

Bottom line:
Try it cause Rufus the bum said so!

Sounds Great. I like Windowmaker myself though. I'm running SUSE 8.2 and it getts the Job Done. I've Mandrake, RedHat, Suse, Gentoo and a few others so one more won't be tough... :)

[Hayl]

Originally posted by BFK4ever
I want to give Gentoo a go, for the speed, and portage sounds ultra-nice. I would use fluxbox with that, with a killer fire theme that I got from the flux site... O man I really want the final version of Gentoo 1.4 to come out, then I want to try it. This n00b here wants to learn! I bet the system would be uber-fast on my decent hardware, and with fluxbox, maybe openbox... and bla bla bla. I have been wanting to try Gentoo for a time now, and btw Gentoo's portage takes care of dependancy problems right? Thx again guys, dual-boot JAMD and Gentoo sounds cool, Jamming on Gentoo lol (ok not funny ;) )

install any RC of 1.4 and then just emerge -pu world and you have the current version. you don't need to reinstall when 1.4 final is released.