Will I ever have 3D?

[rick420]

Ok, i just got man 8.0 installed and I love it, even have a scrolling mouse finally! Anyways, first thing I did was open terminal and type "gears" I got 90+ FPS everytime. So I open TuxRacer and still slow as hell, although not quite as slow as before in man 7.2, still unplayable. I dont want to do too much messing around with this video card right now, an ATI Rage Pro 3D 8MB, B/c my Geforce 2 GTS 32MB should be here anyday...

Basically I was wondering, is there anything I can try to get this working? And is my Geforce gonna have problems as well? Also, is there a place to download some SNES or MAME emulators for Linux? I'd love to play some arcade fighters---2D should work just fine right?

Sorry about the long post, just trying to cover it all--Thanks for any help anyone can give me---

[Closer]

Yes the geforce will rock in 3d. the catch is you have to set it up right. go to www.evil3d.net (http://www.evil3d.net) for a how to on your card,
i just finishing setting up drake 8.0 and nvidia and get 175 fps in q3. the only thing that is kinda wacked is www.nvidia.com (http://www.nvidia.com) has not made rpms for drake 8.0 yet however the source works great for the kernel but not for the glx, but fear not the drake 7.2 rpm for glx works on drake 8.0. the source glx sends the ligGL.so file,s to /usr/lib and the rpm send them to /usr/X11R6/lib where they belong

good luck
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[Molecule Man]

During the install did it give you the choice for XFree86 3.3.6 with 3D accelleration? If you didn't choose this then no 3D for you. I have a 4mb Rage Pro LT and it works. The Mesa Gears Demo even give 80 FPS at 640x480, so most games should be playable.

[rick420]

See thats whats weird...I had mdk 7.2 and when i typed gears i got a ridiculous frame rate--like 150fps or something. Now with mdk 8.0 when i type gears i get 90+fps, but when I open up that tuxracer---3 frames per day!! Well, my geforce will be here probably tomorrow---hopefully that'll go well---Thanks guys--I'll post back when I get the card and let u know how it came out

[Molecule Man]

You need to resize the gears window, as the default is like 150x100 or something, even software can handle a high number at t5hat resolution.

[rick420]

OK, I got my Geforce installed, and no 3D. So, I go to Nvidia's website and download the .tar files. I untar them and get the folder and stuff I am suppossed to get, but when I type "make install" I get BASH: make: command not found. I guess something must not be installed on my system if I can't make, right? I tried as root also. So, what do I need in order to "make install"? Thanks again---I am gonna have 3d soon---I can feel it!

[Daedra]

you dont need to do make install just do

make

[rick420]

thanks, but i tried make also and same error. What is causing me to not be able to "make"? ?? :confused:

[Closer]

You didnt select the develomental stuff upon installing md 8. You need this for the make command to work.I posted a mini how to at www.evil3d.net (http://www.evil3d.net)

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[rick420]

I went to evil3d but only found a guide for man 7.x, is it the same for 8.0?

Dumb question, how do I install the developmental stuff now so I can use the make command and get these drivers installed. Thanks again

[rick420]

Ok, I am totally confused now--why does everything have to be so damn hard in Linux?

Anyways--I go and update my install and install the developmental tools. No when I try "make" or "make install" I get this error: In file included from nv.c:50:
/usr/include/linux/modversions.h:1:2: #error Modules should never use kernel-headers system headers,
/usr/include/linux/modversions.h:2:2: #error but headers from an appropriate kernel-source
make:*** [nv.o] Error 1

What do I do now? BTW, how the hell do I cut and paste things from the terminal? I dont get it.....

[Rylan Hawkeye]

rick 420, Everything's hard 'cause you get to have more control over everything in linux.

I was where you're at now, a few months ago. Don't get frustrated, just try to look at all of this as a learning experience.

But for what it's worth I can't believe that a default install comes with out the make tool... that just blows my mind! Eventually you'll have to install something from source, and in my mind I consider this essential.

Here's the breakdown to getting stuff working with redhat based distros such as mandrake and caldera (correct me if I'm wrong fellas).

You absolutely NEED X 4.0.1 or newer. The Nvidia drivers won't work with the 3.3.X versions of X11.
Then you get the kernal drivers and Glx sources from nvidia.
and when you do the make on the kernal you must type
"make SYSINCLUDE=/usr/src/linux/include"

What this also means is that you need to have installed the kernal source when you installed mandrake.

If you need anymore help just send me a message on AIM: Rylan Hawkeye.

[rick420]

OK, I tried typing what u said and I got the same error message. I am almost positive I have Xfree 4.0.3---but how do I check this out? I tried IMing you Ryan, but u were offline. Well, Im on almost all the time, rick420365. Anyways, I'm stuck again, any ideas out there?

[Closer]

Yes nvidia product do work well in mandrake 8. i did a fresh install today and got my geforce 2 card up and running and playing Q3 in no time.
you must be shure to select x 403 and not the x336.
the kernel source did not install by default and i did not see a choice to select it on install even under individual package selection.
The source must be installed or you get nothing but errors
I used the software manager they have to install it becuase when i tried using gnorpm it listed 5 other packages needed to install the kernel source. the software manager mandrake has fetched and installed all depended packages automatically, it worked sweet !
Then i used the nvidia source kernel {tar.gz] and typed make and it compiled and installed without errors,
The GLX was a little tricky, the source GLX trys to remove conflicting mesa files from /usr/lib and they are in /usr/X11R6/lib . I used the mandrake 7.2 GLX rpm to install GLX. I did get a error and had to use the --nodeps
rpm -i nameof rpm --nodeps
Then just edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by adding Load "glx' to the module section and changing "nv" to "nvidia" under driver section and you are done.

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[Closer]

To get make command to work gcc must be installed

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[rick420]

Ok, I got make to work, but how do I get the kernel sources to stop all those errors? Thanks alot for all this help--I just want to have some 3D...

[anti_seen]

You can find out your X version by typing this command;
cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep 'Version'
then read the first line it should be (mine as an example)
"XFree86 Version 4.0.2 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400)
Hope that helps you.

[rick420]

HOLY ****!!! It works! Thanks alot- I finally got it installed and working. I had to install kernel-source to get it to compile finally and then use the 7.2 GLX rpm and it was working! I finally got to play Tuxracer, I always wanted to just play that game for some reason.

Well, thanks again, gotta try and install some Quake 3 next....