C++ Teachyourself

[Sicnus]

ok i got one of those i assume useful books "learn c++ in """"24"""" hours" ok well just wanting to know some random stuff. i saw visual c++ books? what is that cause i know of visual basic and basic. and what can i build with c++ like whats it used for? and i use vi as the place to type the code? or is there a compiler in linux? well thanks for your help.

[sans-hubris]

Don't do it! Don't get those "Learn [put_something_here] in 24 hours" books, they're really horrible, trust me, I've read too many to know. As far as Visual C++, Visual C++ is the C++ compiler for Windows developed by Microsoft, it is not C++, meaning that if you learnt Visual C++, some of your knowledge of C++ will be absolutely useless in Linux. I suggest a Deitel and Deitel book, C++ How to Program (http://vig.prenhall.com/catalog/academic/product/1,4096,0130895717,00.html). Some other people here have suggested a WROX book, but I have not read any of their work, so I cannot give you a personal testimony on that one. Perhaps, even, an O'Reilly animal (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cplus/) might be the way?

[Sicnus]

ok so none of those books ok... why? what will other books have that doesn't? so what are these books you recommend? and does linux c++ the same as it would be in windows? cause i noticed a few differences.

[EscapeCharacter]

well those learn whatever in 24 hours book really dont go into great detail, they just go over the basics and dont really go too deep. i would recommend the bruce eckel series http://www.mindview.net/Books they are great the deitel and deitel books are cool too.

[Sicnus]

deitel? is.....?

[jjjj]

I use a dietel and dietel book. Good Book.


and does linux c++ the same as it would be in windows? cause i noticed a few differences.

If you are using Linux you can run your code on the command line. C++ should be basically the same. So windows C++ and Linux C++ are basically the same thing. Anyways if you use microsoft's Visual C++ they try to force you to learn there way of coding C++. Which means that if you write it in VC++ it might not work on any other C++ compiler. But if you code in Linux or something using the Ascii standard. It should run on any compiler that uses the Ascii standard. Which is the way it should be. But I might be wrong. Some one please correct me if Im wrong. Im not an expert.

I hoped this helped.

[Ben Briggs]

Originally posted by jjjj:
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Ascii standard
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This is pretty minor, but it's the ANSI standard. :)

[ 26 July 2001: Message edited by: Ben Briggs ]

[jjjj]

Oops thanks. How did I mess that up.


*hits self in head with c++ book a couple of times*

[Sicnus]

Originally posted by jjjj:
<STRONG>I use a dietel and dietel book. Good Book.</STRONG>

have a url where i could check out that book? and what is dietel? like the author or something. anyways what do yall think of the orielly books?

[Sicnus]

what is the ANSI standard? is it like the universal c++ way of coding or something?

[jjjj]

look here (http://www.amazon.com)
Type in a search for C++. Then you can look at all the different books there are


Um the Ansi standard is. Hmmm. It just the standard for C++ that a bunch of people decided on. I think thats the way to explain it.

[ 26 July 2001: Message edited by: jjjj ]

[sans-hubris]

Originally posted by Sicnus:
<STRONG>what is the ANSI standard? is it like the universal c++ way of coding or something?</STRONG>The ANSI standard is... Actually, Everything2 (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=ANSI) hs a very good description. Think about it. Most cars adhere to certain standards so that you can go to almost any mechanic and have degraded parts exchanged for new ones cheaply. Could you imagine if you had to buy all kinds of specialty parts for your car? Do you know how expensive that would be? It's sort of like for programming language standards, except those are made to make the life of the programmer a little easier, not necessarily the end user (although, if it is easier for the programmer, the less the programmer has to worry about specifics of a particular implementation, which thusly translates to a better thought out program, which should please the end user.)

[Sicnus]

ok so ANSI kind of makes it easier to use multipul languages. what kind of stuff is the same among them? and yeah i did that search on JJJ and since iw as told 24 hours and ones like it are bad its hard to tell which are good. i saw the $60 or so !!!! deitel and deitel book. the orielly ones seemed good. and i think i need to get that one by bruce eckel and stuff.

[sincka]

What I say now might be a good idea. Get gtk-gnutella or kazaa (I think that's how you spell it for wincrap) and then search
'ebook c++' or 'ebook c++ programming'

Then download one of those 24 hr books since they are good for a first book. Well I think so anyway...

[Sicnus]

Originally posted by sincka:
<STRONG>What I say now might be a good idea. Get gtk-gnutella or kazaa (I think that's how you spell it for wincrap) and then search
'ebook c++' or 'ebook c++ programming'

Then download one of those 24 hr books since they are good for a first book. Well I think so anyway...</STRONG>

haha the whole point of my post was to figure out alternatives to those 24 hour books everyone told me they were crap, so you think they are good? well damn. thats good cause i already have one. and what is that gtk and i have kazaa.

[Domin]

The 24 Hour books are CRAP. There is no way you can learn a programming language in 24 hours (and the books really only take a couple hours). I have read some of the 21 days books and they're not that bad. But Deitel is your best bet.

PS Yeah, computer books are really expensive :( But I've seen it for less.

PPS (or is it PSS? hmmm) Nobody prolly cares but my local borders had a whole cart-like thing full of linux books on sale for 5.99!! Some of them cost 39.99 just a week ago! I bought about 10 :D

[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: Mike1533 ]

[Sicnus]

borders eh? got to check that out. does dietel do python? cause people tell me python is the way to learn how to program then go to c++. yeah the 24 hour one for me was just a way to get me "feet wet". but c++ seems more complitcated then python.

[sincka]

I am saying that the 24hr/21days books are good when it's the first book that you read. The authors talk to you as if you were a retard and it's quite useful because you get the feel of the language.

[MandK_10]

Originally posted by sincka:
<STRONG>I am saying that the 24hr/21days books are good when it's the first book that you read. The authors talk to you as if you were a retard and it's quite useful because you get the feel of the language.</STRONG>

If you do what you suggested and download them for free. But "Thinking in C++" is also free and a much better book (actually two books).
The only book I ever paid for was C++ How to Program 2nd Ed. and that was for a college class. It is very expensive but very worth it.
Go to www.informit.com (http://www.informit.com) and click on their "free library" link. Then use the browse function on the left side of the page to find books on programming. They are free to read in HTML format. These are not the greatest books available but they are free.

They will at least give you something to start with.

Mike

[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: MandK_10 ]

[sincka]

I know where that sig is from!!!

Johnny Bravo!

Heheh... now I win a prize :p

[MandK_10]

See my profile and it gives it away. :D

I have been trying for about 1 year now to get my cable provider to get Cartoon Network and Cable modem service ( I live in a small town.) They keep telling me it will be soon.
Once this happens I might as well sign my divorce papers because my time at home will be all tied up. (just kidding) :)

[PimpHolic]

here in vancouver (well a city 15 mins away if not less) we have a book store called "half price computer books" where they have all the computer books you could want at half price!! and they even have deals on there half price books, like for under 10 bucks i got a sams teach yuorself linux in 24 hours and its so-so..i mostly got it cause a cd-rom came with it..are there any in the states (im assuming thats where you live)

[Sicnus]

nope the americans don't believe in being that nice. they are trying to leave the computer stuff to microsoft and the corprate machine that bill gates owns. so no we don't have any. we have half priced books but ones by me have no good comp books.

[MandK_10]

Originally posted by Sicnus:
<STRONG>nope the americans don't believe in being that nice. they are trying to leave the computer stuff to microsoft and the corprate machine that bill gates owns. so no we don't have any. we have half priced books but ones by me have no good comp books.</STRONG>


I have found many OK books at area 1/2 off bookstores. I bought 3 books (one on Win32 API, one on Visual C++ 5.0 and one on Visual Basic 6.0 and Databases) none of them great titles but only spent $45, about the price of one good book.

Mike