FreeBSD 4.3!!

[jbstew32]

ok I just installed FreeBSD 4.3 and it looks to be very good.

For those of you wondering, it comes with
XFree86 4.0.3 (i think it was x.x.3), and i didnt see anything about 3.3.6 anywhere. It also comes with KDE 2.1.1

Anyway, here's the problem. Everything went ok during the install, and when I booted the kernel everything was detected fine. Then, came the login prompt and then every 10 seconds or so, the screen would just fill with all these error messages....well the same one repeating.
They followed this format:
[DATE] [TIME] [HOSTNAME] getty [PID#]: login_tty /dev/console: Operation not supported by device

wtf does that mean?! Its very annoying! I dont even know what it means...well, not really anyway. What do I need to do to fix this?

[jbstew32]

anyone know?

[Beowulfs_Ghost]

It looks like some one is abusing the login. /dev/console is your terminal device. It's the CLI. Getty is a deamon the waits for, and handles login requests on the console.

Does this happen all the time, or only when you are in X?

[jbstew32]

its a clean install and happens ALL the time...with X not even configured.

Anyway, I reinstalled, and it still does it. I did a different install method, and well, i started over. No luck. Its the weirdest thing i have ever seen.

I tries to kill getty (as it was running about 6 times..one for every virtual terminal) and it didnt work. It would just switch and run on another PID. Anyway, I typed reboot and let it kill all that junk, and did a ctrl-c to stop it. Then, everything worked and I was able to configure X and such. I still couldnt find the source of the problem.

I am a newbie to BSD, but I am not with Slack (which is the linux with the most things in common with BSD)

:cool: Slackware :cool:

You know what it could be Beowulf?

[Bully_Crist]

Originally posted by jbstew32:
<STRONG>ok I just installed FreeBSD 4.3 and it looks to be very good.

For those of you wondering, it comes with
XFree86 4.0.3 (i think it was x.x.3), and i didnt see anything about 3.3.6 anywhere. It also comes with KDE 2.1.1

</STRONG>

XFree 4.0.3 and KDE 2.1.1... hmmm... sounds like it's time to download the update...

Slackware is going bye-bye for now...

:cool: FreeBSD :cool:

[jbstew32]

&lt;crickets&gt; anyone? &lt;/crickets&gt;

seriously, I cant figure it out. I have played with my /etc/ttys and /etc/gettytab but no dice....anyone ever heard of something like this?

[S0larfluX]

You might wish to join one of the FreeBSD mailing lists and post your issue there. You'll get better responses, just make sure you put the exact error messages in your post.

GL

[Beowulfs_Ghost]

I'm at a loss. I know you can't just kill getty, because it will just start itself back up again. It's supposed to do that, regardless of what Unix you're using. And I've never encountered this problem before. Not in the 5 FreeBSD installs I've done.

I agree, you'll have to go to the experts on a more FreeBSD centric message board.

[jbstew32]

Yeah i will try the mailing lists....it baffles me.

After trying my little reboot trick (which kills all consoles but ttyv0), i can manually use getty to get them back with no problems. I just don get it.

Thanks anyway guys....several ppl that i have asked just give me a puzzled look :)

[Coral Sea]

Hmm, I must be installing a different version of FBSD 4.3 from yours. I wasn't presented with the option of installing anything but XFree 3.3.6 (and there doesn't seem to be a port for it) so I'm going to have to upgrade to 4.0.3. the hard way (same way I upgraded to 4.0.2 on FBSD 4.2). It does come with KDE 2.1.1, though, which is a nice improvement.

Based on the release notes for FBSD 4.3 -- and if you don't mind the installation process -- it seems like a good idea to migrate to 4.3 for the security reasons.

[jbstew32]

Coral:

I dont think that X 4.0.3 is in the X11 section...i cant remember. If you do the standard install (the one that makes you pick individual packages) its in there....

I can look it up for you....then you can just run the sysinstall thing again and just install it.

[Bully_Crist]

Originally posted by Coral Sea:
<STRONG>Hmm, I must be installing a different version of FBSD 4.3 from yours. I wasn't presented with the option of installing anything but XFree 3.3.6 (and there doesn't seem to be a port for it) so I'm going to have to upgrade to 4.0.3. the hard way (same way I upgraded to 4.0.2 on FBSD 4.2). It does come with KDE 2.1.1, though, which is a nice improvement.

Based on the release notes for FBSD 4.3 -- and if you don't mind the installation process -- it seems like a good idea to migrate to 4.3 for the security reasons.</STRONG>

KDE 2.1.1 ...and what version of GNOME? 1.0? why is it that in all the great distros they stick the crappiest version of GNOME in it?

[jbstew32]

actually, it was like 1.4...or some high #

[jemfinch]

Originally posted by Bully_Crist:
KDE 2.1.1 ...and what version of GNOME? 1.0? why is it that in all the great distros they stick the crappiest version of GNOME in it?

First, FreeBSD isn't a distro, it's an operating system.

Second, GNOME 1.4 didn't/still doesn't usefully build on FreeBSD.

No matter. GNOME is far inferior to KDE by now anyway.

Jeremy

[Beowulfs_Ghost]

Personally, I hate bogging down my system with a top heavy desktop and WM. Go with Blackbox. It my not be as pretty, but it is fast.

[jbstew32]

Uh, what was that? Gnome inferior? I beg to differ!

KDE is good, but Gnome still kicks ***. You may be forgetting that gnome is just a Panel and file manager, not a WM....

Gnome and Blackbox or Sawmill kicks ***

[jbstew32]

BTW...i posted that error to a FreeBSD questions mailing list....no luck :mad:

[Coral Sea]

I didn't install Gnome so I don't know what version it offers during the install.

As for X, I did the standard install for kernel developer with X11 and when it came to X, it only offered 3.3.6. What install option did you pick?

Anyway, think I'll wait for 4.1 (due out in mid- to late-May) before upgrading X.

[jbstew32]

its gnome 1.2

[RTFM]

that error seems really weird... never happened to me before.

Yes, XFree 4.0.3 is available, and is in the ports. I'm running it now :)

[RTFM]

Also, it IS GNOME 1.2

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by tminos:
<STRONG>that error seems really weird... never happened to me before.

Yes, XFree 4.0.3 is available, and is in the ports. I'm running it now :)</STRONG>

I can install every single tgz of XFree 4.0.3, except for the 4.0.3-Server. It seems that the installation just hangs there. Guess I will download the tgz and try to install it that way.

Plus when I tried to add a password to the root in the install, I got a complete lock-up (keyboard and everything else). I must have some bad portions to the image downloaded. I only downloaded the image with 8 segments from two servers, can't see how that could be a problem. :rolleyes:

[Coral Sea]

I couldn't install the server either using sysinstall. It's almost as easy to just install 4.0.2 using the binaries from ftp.xfree86.org and then uprgrade to 4.0.3, also using the binaries from ftp.xfree86.org (this procedure is mandatory; you can't install 4.0.3 directly). That's what I did and 4.0.3 is now running happily on my FreeBSD 4.3 box. :)

[S0larfluX]

Coral Sea:

maybe you'd like to write a tutorial on that procedure and submit it to http://bsdvault.net ?

We'd appreciate it if you could...

Don't understand why BSDers keep posting on a Linux site, except maybe for redundancy.

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by S0larfluX:
<STRONG>Coral Sea:

Don't understand why BSDers keep posting on a Linux site, except maybe for redundancy.</STRONG>

Hmmmmm, www.FreeBSDnewbie.org? (http://www.FreeBSDnewbie.org?) - Nope.
How about www.BSDnewbie.org? (http://www.BSDnewbie.org?) - Nope.
Oh how about....?

[jbstew32]

this isnt a linux forum

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by Coral Sea:
<STRONG>I couldn't install the server either using sysinstall. It's almost as easy to just install 4.0.2 using the binaries from ftp.xfree86.org and then uprgrade to 4.0.3, also using the binaries from ftp.xfree86.org (this procedure is mandatory; you can't install 4.0.3 directly). That's what I did and 4.0.3 is now running happily on my FreeBSD 4.3 box. :)</STRONG>

I did the same thing and it works great.

[S0larfluX]

Originally posted by pointreyes:
<STRONG>Hmmmmm, www.FreeBSDnewbie.org? (http://www.FreeBSDnewbie.org?) - Nope.
How about www.BSDnewbie.org? (http://www.BSDnewbie.org?) - Nope.
Oh how about....?</STRONG>
HTTP://BSDVAULT.NET

[Bully_Crist]

Originally posted by pointreyes:
<STRONG>I only downloaded the image with 8 segments from two servers, can't see how that could be a problem. :rolleyes:</STRONG>

that's how I'm downloading fbsd 4.3... except I only have one segment being written to at a time and it uses two servers (I'm not using the segmented file method with GetRight...and it seems to hop from one server to another when the byte rate gets dangerously low)...hopefully my iso won't blow up on me

[ 08 May 2001: Message edited by: Bully_Crist ]

[Bully_Crist]

woohoo! I just burned the FreeBSD 4.3 iso, installed it, and got on the net (using KDE)...

eh, it's ok... give me my GNOME 1.0 any day over this crud...j/k!

wow...this is amazing... :cool:

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by Bully_Crist:
<STRONG>that's how I'm downloading fbsd 4.3... except I only have one segment being written to at a time and it uses two servers (I'm not using the segmented file method with GetRight...and it seems to hop from one server to another when the byte rate gets dangerously low)...hopefully my iso won't blow up on me

[ 08 May 2001: Message edited by: Bully_Crist ]</STRONG>

Hmmm, I was able to force GetRight to only download from the source I provided for each segment. ftp11 and ftp were the only two nodes that had the image (and with reasonable download speed).

[Bully_Crist]

Originally posted by pointreyes:
<STRONG>Hmmm, I was able to force GetRight to only download from the source I provided for each segment. ftp11 and ftp were the only two nodes that had the image (and with reasonable download speed).</STRONG>

I used ftp.freebsd.org and a polish ftp... no problems there...

as for a reasonable download speed, anything about 0.7k per second is acceptable on a 56k modem :mad:

[pointreyes]

HeHe, I went to a friend's house and used their DSL to download FreeBSD. It took a little over three hours. :)

Where I live I amazingly was downloading the image (before giving-up and going to my friend's house) at 5.2+ kbs on my 56k.

[ 10 May 2001: Message edited by: pointreyes ]

[Coral Sea]

Just saw the request to write a tutorial. It's not all that complicated. Here are the steps:

1. Log in as root.

2. Make a temporary directory called /xtmp.

3. Cd to /xtmp.

4. Download all of the files from http://ftp1.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/XFree86/4.0.2/binaries/FreeBSD-4.x/ using your favourite FTP client (I prefer ncftp of lftp for CLI FTP clients).

5. Execute the installation script by typing sh Xinstall.sh at the command line.

6. Unless you have some specific reason for answering "no", answer "yes" to all of the prompts (except maybe the questions about goofy fonts and help files).

7. After X 4.0.2 is installed, you'll need to configure it using either xf86config (text) or xf86cfg (graphical). Getting the mouse setup correctly might be the most difficult task. Try PS/2 for the protocol and /dev/psm0 for the device. Comment out all of the other lines in the mouse section (except for Identifier, Driver, Option "Protocol", and Option "Device")unless you have a specific reason for keeping them. Also, specifying your monitor's exact vertical and horizontal refresh rates is a good idea instead of using the standard defaults (check your monitor manual for the specs).

8. Issue startx at the command line. If X starts up, you're in business.

9. Clean out the /xtmp directory and download the files from http://ftp1.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/XFree86/4.0.3/binaries/FreeBSD-4.x/ just as you did for 4.0.2.

10. Run the installation (actually upgrade) script by issuing sh Xinstall.sh at the command line. This will apply an upgrade on top of 4.0.2.

11. Restart X. You should now be running 4.0.3.

I think I captured all the key steps. Hope that helps. BTW, the above would also apply to any X upgrade, not just in FreeBSD. You just have to download the applicable binaries.

[Coral Sea]

Correction: If you're using an FTP client, omit "http://" from the URLs.

[RTFM]

Lately I haven't been able to reach ftp.freebsd.org at all

ftp2.freebsd.org works perfectly fine though..

[jemfinch]

Originally posted by tminos:
Lately I haven't been able to reach ftp.freebsd.org at all


There's a note on the main freebsd website (http://www.freebsd.org/) about that.

Jeremy

[xulfralos]

Thanks, Coral Sea, I'll have to try it out when I get some time...

ftp11.freebsd.org is supposed to be very fast...

[Beowulfs_Ghost]

You're giving them the ftp11 server?

They don't even know the secret BSD handshake yet!

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by Coral Sea:
<STRONG>Just saw the request to write a tutorial. It's not all that complicated. Here are the steps:

7. After X 4.0.2 is installed, you'll need to configure it using either xf86config (text) or xf86cfg (graphical). Getting the mouse setup correctly might be the most difficult task. Try PS/2 for the protocol and /dev/psm0 for the device. Comment out all of the other lines in the mouse section (except for Identifier, Driver, Option "Protocol", and Option "Device")unless you have a specific reason for keeping them. Also, specifying your monitor's exact vertical and horizontal refresh rates is a good idea instead of using the standard defaults (check your monitor manual for the specs).
</STRONG>

If you an ATI Radeon or some other card that for some odd reason does not appear on the list you have to run 'XFree86 -configure. The configured file will contain the settings for the Radeon plus you will receive some output about how to test the newly created XF86Config file residing in the /root directory. Do as the output says, if you get a bunch of black and white swiggly lines with a X in the middle then you have X. The XF86Config file will have to modified and moved to /etc/X11/. The modifications require setting up the default screen settings.

[ 10 May 2001: Message edited by: pointreyes ]

[Bully_Crist]

Originally posted by Beowulfs_Ghost:
<STRONG>You're giving them the ftp11 server?

They don't even know the secret BSD handshake yet!</STRONG>

the ftp11 server? :confused:

did I miss something here?

[Coral Sea]

I just picked one mirror out of the blue. There are heaps of them all over the world. Forgot that bit about picking the right video card. If you have one of those new, awesome, I-can't-even-spell-it, type cards, then...pray.

[Coral Sea]

Ghost meant ftp1. Pick whichever one's not busy.

[S0larfluX]

Originally posted by Coral Sea:
<STRONG>Ghost meant ftp1. Pick whichever one's not busy.</STRONG>

Oh, yeah, ftp1, that's right... How silly of you Ghost!

;)

[freebsd]

&gt;&gt; 2. Make a temporary directory called /xtmp.

1) Create /etc/make.conf manually if it doesn't already exist

2) Put or append XFREE86_VERSION=4 (This is required for 4.3) and USA_RESIDENT=YES to it

3) The appropriate location and files should be: /usr/ports/distfiles/xc/

Put the following files there:
4.0.2-4.0.3.diff.gz
Wraphelp.c
X402src-1.tgz
X402src-2.tgz
X402src-3.tgz

4) Go to /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4 and run make, then make install clean

Do not install from precompiled binaries.

[Coral Sea]

Hey FreeBSD, wish I had known that beforehand. Ah well, guess there's more than one way to skin a cat.

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by Coral Sea:
<STRONG>If you have one of those new, awesome, I-can't-even-spell-it, type cards, then...pray.</STRONG>

Hey, shouldn't that be 'plug and pray?' ;)

My 64Meg Radeon works great in FreeBSD.

[ 11 May 2001: Message edited by: pointreyes ]

[freebsd]

This line -&gt; XFREE86_VERSION=4 is a bit tricky.

Failed to specify this may break any X-related packages, of course, if you are running 4.0.x.

I have been seeing people mentioning Netscape ports is broken, it's possible cause of the problems.

[Coral Sea]

Yes, as they say down at my favourite sushi joint, "Prug and pray."