MAC OS 10 IS FREE BSD 4.4!!!!

[misterrich]

when you upgrade your imac, there is a option to use a unix file system. NO KIDDING. When it boots up, you wont believe it. Mac just wrote the GUI. Any thoughts on how to disable it so you can boot to prompt and use X?

[mandeep]

Everyone has known for a while that OSX is Unix. Modified Mach kernel with BSD stuff, if I remember right. Apple did make the GUI (Aqua?) though.

[GiGoPleX]

Hm, I wonder if you could launch a kill command from the console that would terminate whatever process is mothering the GUI . . . heh heh heh.

[Craig McPherson]

It's not "OS 10"... it's "OS X"

What I hate is that now, whenever a computer user mentions "X", we won't know if they're talking about the X Window System, or Mac OS X, or Microsoft's X-Box, or the drug 'Ecstacy'.

This confusion will plunge us into chaos and lead to the death of civilization as we know it.

[alfredo]

"This confusion will plunge us into chaos and lead to the death of civilisation as we know it."

Wonder how long it will take for MS to clone that feature?

[Camoflage]

Actually Craig it is 10, the X is the roman numeral

[alfredo]

X is also something MS wants to claim for its own with the Xbox. They couldn't stand for Apple to own some mindspace. They were stung when Apple came out with the iMac. MS countered with iForgot, but it didn't go over very well. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/wink.gif

[Sweede]

why would microsoft be "stung" when apple released the imac after MS gave apple 2 billion dollars to stay in the market ?

[3magi]

MS wasn't stung. They were just afraid of losing market share. They would much rather just pay off a dwindling Apple /w a 1% market share than see them gain support and users.

[3magi]

By the way:
OS X is pronounced "OS ten" but written OS X.
Is OS X going to replace the normal mac OS (ie. 8.5, 8.6 9.0)? I was under the impression that it was just the server software. How confusing would it be if they had OS X and OS 10.

[alfredo]

OSX will start off as a normal Apple OS, but the UNIX/Linux geeks will have their day. Just wait for the fun and free software to start flowing in. When Xbill gets ported, you know OSX is where it's at. When you see BSD apps ported to OSX on Freshmeat, you will know that OSX is where it's at. When you see the Gnome footprint.......

Billy Gates bought $150 million in non voting stock. they needed Apple to survive to keep the anti-trust dogs away from the door. It didn't work.

[3magi]

Wonder if you could activate a type of console in it?

[elinor]

I have OSX public beta on my desktop G3. (My Linux box is Pentium III running Mandrake 7.2.) There IS a console in OSX. I have played with command line in OSX, and many of the commands we are familiar with work!

[This message has been edited by elinor (edited 20 October 2000).]

[bighara]

Answers to a few earlier questions:

You can go into command line (direct to Kernel) in OS X. I'm not sure about booting directly to it.

OS X Server has been out for a while. This new "public beta" release is the desktop version and will eventually replace OS 8,9, etc.

One thing I'm not certain of though I'm pretty sure that it's the case; The kernel is BSD and open source, but the whole GUI interface, etc. (IE everything BUT the core OS) is proprietary API's. Which means that you won't be able to mess with the high level stuff too much.

[mjpaci]

To ditch the GUI, do the following:

When the login screen comes up, type the following into the USER field: ">console" (don't type the quotes). You will then be given the standard "login" prompt.

--Mike

[alfredo]

Is there anyone working on X for OSX? It would be nice to be a startx away from a functioning BSD machine with all the goodies we know and love.

[vvx]

I know, personally before I ever found linux, I never in a million years woulda wanted to use a mac.. Now? You got OS-X which for a desktop I think kicks anything MS has and the ability to install linux.. I wouldn't mind having a G4 in my collection, now if only they didn't cost so damn much!

[GreenDot]

XFree86 has already been ported to Darwin (the underlying layer of OS X). Try going to www.darwinfo.org (http://www.darwinfo.org) and finding XonX. The source compiles with minimal trouble, and there is a windowmaker port that sort of works (I have trouble accessing some things).

-GreenDot

[zGoRNz]

all you guys say macs are cool now that they have a *nix like os, well ever heard of linuxppc, yellowdog, debian (for mac), suse (for mac)?

i've used linuxppc yellowdog and debian for mac and they are all good (i prefer debian for mac, for x86 slak)

but now we are seeing a closed source (i know not all but some) desktop unix, thats kinda wierd. anyone know if telnet is default enabled? if so theres gonna be problems, most homeusers think "password" is fine for there password.....


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[alfredo]

the password "password" will be secure because it can be voice printed. That is a feature on Macs now. It's even better on a machine with no fan to add noise.

[Frymaster]

I've been using OS X (pronounced "Ten") since Sept. 29 as my primary at-work computer.
some observations:

1. It is 100% bsd at the command line. Note that this is not a "rip off" of freebsd or any other os. Steve Jobs left apple in 1985 and formed NeXT a company who's marketing plan was to make a friendly Unix with a gui that rivaled the Macs. Remember, this was back when Xwindow was still primordeal. No window managers, no gnome... NextStep looked like a broadway musical at the time.
2. You can't launch without the gui after doing the basic install. You can, in theory, install Darwin (the open source BSD component) by itself and run cli-only...
3. OS X used to be the server version of the MacOS. OS X Server has been cancelled and server functions have been rolled into the consumer OS. OS X beta ships with apache 1.3.12, full TCP/IP suite and netinfo. A G4 running OS X will give a Sparc 220r a run for it's money on the serving front.
4. The gui is referred to as "aqua". It's got all sorts of neat stuff like native anti-aliasing and is pased on the pdf graphics format. The kernel is the Mach microkernel from Carnegie Mellon U. The BSD implementation is referred to as Darwin. There are three main API trees: Classic (the original Mac Toolbox calls that run in emulation), Carbon (essentially a modification of Classic to run native on OS X) and Cocoa (a rework of the NeXT API's... the most efficient and rewarding of the three). There's also a built-in jvm so java is actually worthwhile.
5. This has got to be the slickest Unix ever. By about a factor of four. No kidding. If you have a G3 or higher, then any other OS is just a waste. Really, truly, honest. If you're a linuxppc fan, buy a used 8600, but don't install it on that G4...

[alfredo]

I heard that at this time sound is not working too well on the beige G3's. I gotta have sounds!

Actually I will have a G4 soon, and leave this G3 to Linux.

You knew it would happen.
http://www.xfree86.org/#currentrel

[This message has been edited by alfredo (edited 21 December 2000).]