Ludootje
10-25-2001, 03:52 PM
I'd like to know which desktop environment ppl use, and why, cause i'm searching for the perfect de :)
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Gnu/Vince
10-25-2001, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Ludootje:
<STRONG>i'm searching for the perfect de :)</STRONG>
Does not exist. So try them all: gnome, kde2, xfce, cde, emacs
<STRONG>i'm searching for the perfect de :)</STRONG>
Does not exist. So try them all: gnome, kde2, xfce, cde, emacs
X_console
10-25-2001, 04:38 PM
I don't use any. :) Don't see the point of having one to be honest. I mean, if you really need that taskbar and icons, fvwm95 provide an almost Windows 98 look. If you install the GNOME or KDE libraries, you can run most GNOME or KDE programs without having to actually run KDE or GNOME.
I've used both in the past for a few months each. KDE seems to have advanced pretty nicely and I hear it's easier for newbies to use. Personally I like the GNOME's foot icon better than the KDE's "K", but that's just me. :D
I've used both in the past for a few months each. KDE seems to have advanced pretty nicely and I hear it's easier for newbies to use. Personally I like the GNOME's foot icon better than the KDE's "K", but that's just me. :D
Ludootje
10-26-2001, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by X_console:
<STRONG>I don't use any. :) Don't see the point of having one to be honest. I mean, if you really need that taskbar and icons, fvwm95 provide an almost Windows 98 look. If you install the GNOME or KDE libraries, you can run most GNOME or KDE programs without having to actually run KDE or GNOME.
I've used both in the past for a few months each. KDE seems to have advanced pretty nicely and I hear it's easier for newbies to use. Personally I like the GNOME's foot icon better than the KDE's "K", but that's just me. :D</STRONG>
huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p
<STRONG>I don't use any. :) Don't see the point of having one to be honest. I mean, if you really need that taskbar and icons, fvwm95 provide an almost Windows 98 look. If you install the GNOME or KDE libraries, you can run most GNOME or KDE programs without having to actually run KDE or GNOME.
I've used both in the past for a few months each. KDE seems to have advanced pretty nicely and I hear it's easier for newbies to use. Personally I like the GNOME's foot icon better than the KDE's "K", but that's just me. :D</STRONG>
huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p
Ludootje
10-26-2001, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Gnu/Vince:
<STRONG>Does not exist. So try them all: gnome, kde2, xfce, cde, emacs</STRONG>
the perfect one for me and my usage.. there wont be a "perfect" one, but their will be a "preffered" one for everyone, and i thought i found it (kde with icewm as wm) though my kde isn't working, and there are tons of great DE's outthere, finding them is the most difficult, but maybe this topic could help :confused:
cde&emacs, are they DE's? i thought emacs was only a texteditor, and i've never heard of cde, you have an url?
Ludootje
<STRONG>Does not exist. So try them all: gnome, kde2, xfce, cde, emacs</STRONG>
the perfect one for me and my usage.. there wont be a "perfect" one, but their will be a "preffered" one for everyone, and i thought i found it (kde with icewm as wm) though my kde isn't working, and there are tons of great DE's outthere, finding them is the most difficult, but maybe this topic could help :confused:
cde&emacs, are they DE's? i thought emacs was only a texteditor, and i've never heard of cde, you have an url?
Ludootje
wreckd
10-26-2001, 09:15 AM
cde is best known (to me anyway) as the solaris de but there is a linux version too.
emacs....i suppose it's a de b/c it can do word processing/mail/news/shell/vacuuming/you-name-it; but i've never heard it referred to as such. i had a professor who kept saying "never leave emacs"...
i tend to agree with x_console but i'm kind of a minimalist anyway. i can start up all of my kde or gnome progs just fine from my blackbox menu.
emacs....i suppose it's a de b/c it can do word processing/mail/news/shell/vacuuming/you-name-it; but i've never heard it referred to as such. i had a professor who kept saying "never leave emacs"...
i tend to agree with x_console but i'm kind of a minimalist anyway. i can start up all of my kde or gnome progs just fine from my blackbox menu.
RTFM
10-26-2001, 10:05 AM
I really like Krayon myself..
Ludootje
10-26-2001, 11:35 AM
what does krayon offer more or else then gnome/kde/etc?
Ludootje
10-28-2001, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Ludootje:
Originally posted by X_console:
<STRONG>I don't use any. :) Don't see the point of having one to be honest. I mean, if you really need that taskbar and icons, fvwm95 provide an almost Windows 98 look. If you install the GNOME or KDE libraries, you can run most GNOME or KDE programs without having to actually run KDE or GNOME.
I've used both in the past for a few months each. KDE seems to have advanced pretty nicely and I hear it's easier for newbies to use. Personally I like the GNOME's foot icon better than the KDE's "K", but that's just me. :D</STRONG>
<STRONG>huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p</STRONG>
heh i've deleted my lynx, and i found out that links does support proxies
but why do you only use the command line stuff xconsole?
Originally posted by X_console:
<STRONG>I don't use any. :) Don't see the point of having one to be honest. I mean, if you really need that taskbar and icons, fvwm95 provide an almost Windows 98 look. If you install the GNOME or KDE libraries, you can run most GNOME or KDE programs without having to actually run KDE or GNOME.
I've used both in the past for a few months each. KDE seems to have advanced pretty nicely and I hear it's easier for newbies to use. Personally I like the GNOME's foot icon better than the KDE's "K", but that's just me. :D</STRONG>
<STRONG>huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p</STRONG>
heh i've deleted my lynx, and i found out that links does support proxies
but why do you only use the command line stuff xconsole?
Joeri Sebrechts
10-29-2001, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Ludootje:
<STRONG>i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it)</STRONG>
To make console-based apps use a proxy, place this in your .bash_profile or .bashrc:
export HTTP_PROXY="http://proxy.site.net:8080"
where you obviously replace the address between the quotes to be your real proxy.
Works great with apps like wget and so on too, and if you put it in the right profile, you won't even have to open up a shell window to get wget to use a proxy.
<STRONG>i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it)</STRONG>
To make console-based apps use a proxy, place this in your .bash_profile or .bashrc:
export HTTP_PROXY="http://proxy.site.net:8080"
where you obviously replace the address between the quotes to be your real proxy.
Works great with apps like wget and so on too, and if you put it in the right profile, you won't even have to open up a shell window to get wget to use a proxy.
knute
10-30-2001, 09:52 AM
Well, you wanted a link to DE's and WM's Here is one.
http://www.plig.org/xwinman/
http://www.plig.org/xwinman/
scanez
10-30-2001, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Ludootje:
<STRONG>[QUOTE]
huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p</STRONG>
No no, mistake me if I'm wrong X_console, but I think X_console means that he just runs a window manager, without a desktop environment. That's what I do. I just run enlightenment by itself with no desktop environment and it's great. Seeing that since I start up all my programs from an Eterm anyway, I didn't have a need for icons and menus. But it's up to you, try a few window managers out and see if you really do need a desktop environment. When I was using one, I did prefer Gnome though.
Have fun
SC
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: scanez ]
<STRONG>[QUOTE]
huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p</STRONG>
No no, mistake me if I'm wrong X_console, but I think X_console means that he just runs a window manager, without a desktop environment. That's what I do. I just run enlightenment by itself with no desktop environment and it's great. Seeing that since I start up all my programs from an Eterm anyway, I didn't have a need for icons and menus. But it's up to you, try a few window managers out and see if you really do need a desktop environment. When I was using one, I did prefer Gnome though.
Have fun
SC
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: scanez ]
Ludootje
11-07-2001, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by scanez:
<STRONG>Originally posted by Ludootje:
[QUOTE]
huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p</STRONG>
No no, mistake me if I'm wrong X_console, but I think X_console means that he just runs a window manager, without a desktop environment. That's what I do. I just run enlightenment by itself with no desktop environment and it's great. Seeing that since I start up all my programs from an Eterm anyway, I didn't have a need for icons and menus. But it's up to you, try a few window managers out and see if you really do need a desktop environment. When I was using one, I did prefer Gnome though.
Have fun
SC
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: scanez ]
*?*
i though enlightenment was a windowmanager AND a desktop environment
so icewm isn't a de, and windowmaker neither?
<STRONG>Originally posted by Ludootje:
[QUOTE]
huh? you run under console mode? i can't do that, cause i can't set up my lynx&links for proxies (if you know a text-based browser which does support that, please inform me of it) also, kde's K rules, though gnoome's foot is ugly :p</STRONG>
No no, mistake me if I'm wrong X_console, but I think X_console means that he just runs a window manager, without a desktop environment. That's what I do. I just run enlightenment by itself with no desktop environment and it's great. Seeing that since I start up all my programs from an Eterm anyway, I didn't have a need for icons and menus. But it's up to you, try a few window managers out and see if you really do need a desktop environment. When I was using one, I did prefer Gnome though.
Have fun
SC
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: scanez ]
*?*
i though enlightenment was a windowmanager AND a desktop environment
so icewm isn't a de, and windowmaker neither?
Duh
11-07-2001, 04:07 PM
if you have no DE, what decides on the themes for inside the windows?
well i guess most programs now a days have their own skins anyways :-)
but nonetheless, im really confused on how that works.
well i guess most programs now a days have their own skins anyways :-)
but nonetheless, im really confused on how that works.
Ludootje
11-07-2001, 04:28 PM
as far as i know, it's not the de theme which matters, but the windowmanager theme
example: my kde with icewm as windowmanager, it's the icewm theme which is used for my windows etc
example: my kde with icewm as windowmanager, it's the icewm theme which is used for my windows etc
z0mbix
11-08-2001, 08:27 AM
Just use this (http://blackbox.alug.org) and be done with it. You'll thank me in the long run!
:p
:p
Duh
11-08-2001, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>Just use this (http://blackbox.alug.org) and be done with it. You'll thank me in the long run!
:p</STRONG>
i dont use blackbox for one reason: no one develops it anymore! ive looked through the mailing list for it, and there seem to be plenty of bugs, and i know things that they could improve since a year ago (last release), so its going to get out dated fast.
i love how simplistic and everything it is, but the backing isnt there to keep it alive. i use enlightenment myself.
<STRONG>Just use this (http://blackbox.alug.org) and be done with it. You'll thank me in the long run!
:p</STRONG>
i dont use blackbox for one reason: no one develops it anymore! ive looked through the mailing list for it, and there seem to be plenty of bugs, and i know things that they could improve since a year ago (last release), so its going to get out dated fast.
i love how simplistic and everything it is, but the backing isnt there to keep it alive. i use enlightenment myself.
X_console
11-08-2001, 10:54 AM
Yes, I just run a window manager, Blackbox. I don't use KDE or GNOME on top of them. My desktop usually consists of two Eterm's, one xconsole terminal, bbmail, and licq. From my Eterms I start up whatever programs I need.
As for Blackbox bugs, I really haven't run into any, so I continue to use it. :)
[ 08 November 2001: Message edited by: X_console ]
As for Blackbox bugs, I really haven't run into any, so I continue to use it. :)
[ 08 November 2001: Message edited by: X_console ]
thor420
11-08-2001, 11:47 AM
I agree with X_console. I have been using blackbox for a while now (nothing on top of it or conjunction with it) and have yet to run into any bugs. It seems like GNOME and KDE certainly have thier share of them. It all comes down to a personal decision, none of which any of us could make for any one else.
Ludootje
11-08-2001, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by X_console:
<STRONG>Yes, I just run a window manager, Blackbox. I don't use KDE or GNOME on top of them. My desktop usually consists of two Eterm's, one xconsole terminal, bbmail, and licq. From my Eterms I start up whatever programs I need.
As for Blackbox bugs, I really haven't run into any, so I continue to use it. :)
[ 08 November 2001: Message edited by: X_console ]</STRONG>
xconsoles? what's that? and konsole is still the best :p
licq can''t connect on my lm, can it be because of my proxies?
<STRONG>Yes, I just run a window manager, Blackbox. I don't use KDE or GNOME on top of them. My desktop usually consists of two Eterm's, one xconsole terminal, bbmail, and licq. From my Eterms I start up whatever programs I need.
As for Blackbox bugs, I really haven't run into any, so I continue to use it. :)
[ 08 November 2001: Message edited by: X_console ]</STRONG>
xconsoles? what's that? and konsole is still the best :p
licq can''t connect on my lm, can it be because of my proxies?
X_console
11-08-2001, 12:34 PM
Log messages are sometimes sent to /dev/console. To view what gets sent to /dev/console in X, you run the xconsole program.
Ludootje
11-08-2001, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by X_console:
<STRONG>Log messages are sometimes sent to /dev/console. To view what gets sent to /dev/console in X, you run the xconsole program.</STRONG>
typing "xconsole &" doesn't starts up a program or something like that.. *?*
<STRONG>Log messages are sometimes sent to /dev/console. To view what gets sent to /dev/console in X, you run the xconsole program.</STRONG>
typing "xconsole &" doesn't starts up a program or something like that.. *?*
Ludootje
11-08-2001, 04:26 PM
sorry, it does brings up a console, i just didn't saw cause it was minimized
though, it only says this:
"Console log for localhost"
what can i do with that sentence.. or isn't logging enabled or such a thing?
though, it only says this:
"Console log for localhost"
what can i do with that sentence.. or isn't logging enabled or such a thing?
X_console
11-08-2001, 05:14 PM
Well, first you need to make sure that /dev/console is being used for message logging. So check the contents of /etc/syslog.conf To test this out, add the following entry:
*.* /dev/console
Making sure to separate the two lines with a TAB. Then make sure /dev/console is world writable: chmod 666 /dev/console
Open xconsole. Now restart syslogd with the command kill -HUP $(cat /var/run/syslogd.pid) You should see a message on xconsole telling you that syslogd was just restarted. Any messages that's to be logged will be printed out on xconsole.
If you look at my screenshot, you can see it running at the bottom printing out logs: http://it.yorku.ca/moonfrog/misc/screenshot.jpg
*.* /dev/console
Making sure to separate the two lines with a TAB. Then make sure /dev/console is world writable: chmod 666 /dev/console
Open xconsole. Now restart syslogd with the command kill -HUP $(cat /var/run/syslogd.pid) You should see a message on xconsole telling you that syslogd was just restarted. Any messages that's to be logged will be printed out on xconsole.
If you look at my screenshot, you can see it running at the bottom printing out logs: http://it.yorku.ca/moonfrog/misc/screenshot.jpg
Ludootje
11-09-2001, 12:05 PM
it isn't working, 'couldn't open xconsole' is the msg which is displayed in my xconsole.. where exactly do i have to put
*.*TAB/dev/console
i've put it under # Log anything
so my /etc/syslog.conf looks like this:
# Various entry
auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
user.* -/var/log/user.log
# Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher.
# Don't log private authentication messages!
*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none -/var/log/messages
*.* /dev/console
*.*TAB/dev/console
i've put it under # Log anything
so my /etc/syslog.conf looks like this:
# Various entry
auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
user.* -/var/log/user.log
# Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher.
# Don't log private authentication messages!
*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none -/var/log/messages
*.* /dev/console
X_console
11-09-2001, 08:12 PM
Yes that's where you put it. Did you chmod 666 /dev/console as root? The reason it can't open the console is because you may not have the permissions to read/write to it. Also make sure you restart syslogd
Ludootje
11-11-2001, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by X_console:
<STRONG>Yes that's where you put it. Did you chmod 666 /dev/console as root? The reason it can't open the console is because you may not have the permissions to read/write to it. Also make sure you restart syslogd</STRONG>
i did both, but maybe i mistyped something ;)
i'll do the chmod&restart again
<STRONG>Yes that's where you put it. Did you chmod 666 /dev/console as root? The reason it can't open the console is because you may not have the permissions to read/write to it. Also make sure you restart syslogd</STRONG>
i did both, but maybe i mistyped something ;)
i'll do the chmod&restart again
Ludootje
11-11-2001, 03:32 PM
nope, it's not working like that, so i chmod'ed (or how do i type that?:confused :) it too 777 and then tried it again, but i still have the same msg on my xconsole.. i suppose it's not installed like it should be or something like
thanks for the help anyways X_console
thanks for the help anyways X_console
Ludootje
11-11-2001, 03:37 PM
heh, when i launch xconsole by going to my menu -> programs -> monitoring -> xconsole
it says again "Console log for localhost"
strange thing :/
it says again "Console log for localhost"
strange thing :/
Black_Xmas
11-12-2001, 03:07 PM
X_Console..... 'ello mate.
I'm curious, how did you get your box running without having Gnome/KDE and still be able to run the programs for em? I did a bit of searching on how to do this before but came up empty handed. I mean, just the neccesary stuff, not the additional bloat.
DE's are pretty pointless right? I've never really understood the need for them if you have a decent WM. If I used say enlightenment I'd have it running as session manager anyhows. And "task"bars/icons don't equate to much. (remind me of an OS I'm trying to leave :) )
Also, I noticed your screenshot on a thread here too. Looks very clean, nicely done too. Just have one more question, how did you get your menu's THAT clean? I just installed Debian and the amount of clutter and double/triple instances of programs is ludicrous.
Sorry to bother you :) But any answers would be appriciated, althought not expected.
Have a nice day, thanks for reading.
Adrian .:. Black_Xmas
rm -rf typo*
[ 12 November 2001: Message edited by: Black_Xmas ]
I'm curious, how did you get your box running without having Gnome/KDE and still be able to run the programs for em? I did a bit of searching on how to do this before but came up empty handed. I mean, just the neccesary stuff, not the additional bloat.
DE's are pretty pointless right? I've never really understood the need for them if you have a decent WM. If I used say enlightenment I'd have it running as session manager anyhows. And "task"bars/icons don't equate to much. (remind me of an OS I'm trying to leave :) )
Also, I noticed your screenshot on a thread here too. Looks very clean, nicely done too. Just have one more question, how did you get your menu's THAT clean? I just installed Debian and the amount of clutter and double/triple instances of programs is ludicrous.
Sorry to bother you :) But any answers would be appriciated, althought not expected.
Have a nice day, thanks for reading.
Adrian .:. Black_Xmas
rm -rf typo*
[ 12 November 2001: Message edited by: Black_Xmas ]
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