Ubuntu 8.10 does not offer KDE3 as an option! [Archive]

blackbelt_jones

10-31-2008, 06:33 PM

No, in the repository "kde" is seperate from "kubuntu-desktop", so if you install Ubuntu and then "kde" you still have ubuntu. You get the ubuntu splashscreen, which you don't get if you install kubuntu-desktop; that gets you the kubuntu splashscreen. You get the idea.

Anyway, that's not the point. Whatever you call it. KDE is now only KDE4 KUBUNTU-DESKTOP is all KDE4. Horrible, horrible KDE4! KDE3 has gone the way of Redhat9 and Debian "Woody". I was expecting KDE4 to be the default, not the only option! I don't wish to be overly negative, so let me choose my words carefully and respectfully.

I would sooner drive nails into my skull!

I know that I'm sort of being a dick about this, and I just can't help it. I was Kookoo for Konqueror, and the new Konqueror is just krap. At the KDE forums, they didn't seem to appreciate me starting a thread entitled "The apokolyspe starts early". But really, that's just too bad. If I have to eat this **** sandwich, they can watch me eat it in their forums.

So, loopback, the good news is I seem to have switched to Gnome, and it's not terrible.

PS. Seriously, KDE4 isn't really that bad. It's kind of cool, but why does KDE3 have to die? WHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?:eek:

irlandes

10-31-2008, 07:49 PM

The good news is Linux distros can be good for a very long time. Get the latest version with KDE3 and tweak it, and it will be good for years if you want.

I realize you are the type of person who loves to bounce around and try all different stuff, and new stuff. But, that is a choice, not a mandate.

I worked with a man when I retired in 1997 who still used an old XT with Word Perfect 5.? and an old dot matrix printer. His daughter was using it for school work. People teased him, things like, "You have to go to the bathroom while it loads a file."

He'd shrug his shoulders, and say, "So what? I gotta' go to the bathroom once in a while, anyway."

TSC (Tractor Supply Company) started using a low number version of Redhat for all their stores in the 90's, and had not re-booted well into the new century. They said they saw no reason to re-boot for anything as long as it still worked perfectly. I might take a look and see what they are doing now.

My old laptop, the one that got hit by lightning and lost it's NIC had Mandriva LE 2005. It still worked, except for latest and greatest video stuff, when the NIC went out. I never put ndiswrapper in it, might be interesting to try out of curiosity.

Kubuntu 7.04 works the wireless card in that machine, even with the bad NIC.

A distro, a good one, will work for a long time.

i845_

11-01-2008, 09:57 AM

@blackbelt_jones

You and I seem to be on the same boat! Cheers!!

(Much like irlandes has pointed out,) Ubuntu 8.04 and its derivatives are LTS releases, and shall be maintained till 2011. That's time enough for me.

I just hope KDE4 gets a little polished by then.

blackbelt_jones

11-01-2008, 06:11 PM

I would prefer to support a distro that is commited to supporting the users. The truth is , it's probably not my problem. I use KDE applications with fluxbox. When Koinqueror is fixed, I'll be fine, but I object to an artificial deadline being placed on KDE3 users, whether it's 2011, 2015 or 2020. Aaron Seigo once told me that in free software, use equals maintanance. That's the natural condition of free software.

psych-major

11-03-2008, 12:37 PM

blackbelt_jones

11-03-2008, 02:18 PM

Well, if you want a solid implementation of KDE3.5, you could always run Slackware 12.1. It's a very solid distro, and I am running it on my IBM Thinkpad T20, where Ubuntu 8.10 won't even boot, by the way.

Otherwise, you'll have to run the LTS version of Kubuntu, 8.04, which will give you KDE3 for years to come.

By the way, on the aforementioned T20, I am running KDE4 because it kicks kde3's butt. It is the nicest, smoothest Linux desktop I have used and I love it.

Kids, the Slackware Guy is not your friend.:p
It seems that there's always a Slackware guy... and he's usually named psych-major. :)

EXCELLENT NEWS! I found a 3rd person repo for KDE3 in Ubuntu.

http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/
:cool:
After installing KDE3, I had a problem logging on with KDM, had to mount the harddrive with a a knoppix disk and disable KDM (in /etc/rc2.d) in order to login with the council, but ever since then, it's been sweet. KDE3.5.10 actually has some nice improvements.

Until I know more, I'd advise anyone who wants to try this to do what I did, and start with Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu. There's no telling how KDE3 and KDE4 will play together. I'll ask the repo guy how much he knows.

psych-major

11-03-2008, 02:27 PM

Otherwise, you'll have to run the LTS version of Kubuntu, 8.04, which will give you KDE3 for years to come....and what was wrong wit this suggestion?

Darkbolt

11-03-2008, 03:06 PM

Slackware may actually be a good choice for you, BBJ...kde4's just in /testing now, it'll probably be another release or two before it hits -current....has everything else you use, fluxbox, and what not...I dont actually know what you do use outside of fluxbox and konqueror...Hell, its easy enough just to install what you need just for those two

psych-major

11-03-2008, 03:19 PM

And it defaults to runlevel 3, as per this rant, I mean post:
http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=152056

cybertron

11-03-2008, 06:49 PM

At the KDE forums, they didn't seem to appreciate me starting a thread entitled "The apokolyspe starts early".
I can't imagine why.:D

I guess I'll be holding off on updating to 8.10 at work then. I've been running the 8.04 Kubuntu KDE4 edition in VirtualBox at home for a while and while I see a lot of potential, it feels unpolished to me and it's still missing a fair amount of functionality. I guess I'll try the upgrade there and see if any of that has changed.

blackbelt_jones

11-04-2008, 04:48 AM

I can't imagine why.:D

I guess I'll be holding off on updating to 8.10 at work then. I've been running the 8.04 Kubuntu KDE4 edition in VirtualBox at home for a while and while I see a lot of potential, it feels unpolished to me and it's still missing a fair amount of functionality. I guess I'll try the upgrade there and see if any of that has changed.

Actually, that thread actually turned out pretty productive and positive. I learned a lot from the experience. Next time someone tells me that I can't run KDE3 on their latest release or any future releases, I won't become upset. I'll become amused.

Calipso

11-04-2008, 10:37 AM

Next time someone tells me that I can't run KDE3 on their latest release or any future releases, I won't become upset. I'll become amused.
Of course there is no need to get upset. The beauty of open source is that you can run whatever you want. It of course doesn't mean that Ubuntu will give you support if you mess up your box installing software they don't provide/support.

The source for kde3 is out there. You can run it on your box till the end of time. I don't suggest it though since it won't receive security updates eventually but hey...you're free to run it if it makes you happy.

(just unplug your comptuer from the net if you're going to be using un-patched software :) )

psych-major

11-04-2008, 10:59 AM

Blackbelt, we know you still have a Windows Millenium box around there somewhere....'fess up!

blackbelt_jones

11-04-2008, 04:18 PM

Of course there is no need to get upset. The beauty of open source is that you can run whatever you want. It of course doesn't mean that Ubuntu will give you support if you mess up your box installing software they don't provide/support.

The source for kde3 is out there. You can run it on your box till the end of time. I don't suggest it though since it won't receive security updates eventually but hey...you're free to run it if it makes you happy.

(just unplug your comptuer from the net if you're going to be using un-patched software :) )

People need to understand that KDE3 is current, is still being maintained, and will probably be maintained for years.

Here's (http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html) a good place to get the full story.

blackbelt_jones

11-04-2008, 04:20 PM

Blackbelt, we know you still have a Windows Millenium box around there somewhere....'fess up!

It's worse than that, I'm afraid. Yesterday, I actually let some maniac on the internet talk me into installing Slackware! :rolleyes:

psych-major

11-04-2008, 04:58 PM

It's worse than that, I'm afraid. Yesterday, I actually let some maniac on the internet talk me into installing Slackware! :rolleyes:Congratulations, and welcome to the stable distro loved by retro geeks everywhere.

Now about this Dolphin aversion you've developed...

saikee

11-05-2008, 04:18 AM

psych-major

11-05-2008, 11:12 AM

The first Slackware release, 1.00, was on 16 July 1993. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware_Linux#History)

Wow, 15 years.

Saikee, I really was all set to install kubuntu on my "new" laptop (http://jencropable.com/blogwithin/2008/11/04/old-laptop-new-operating-system/), too bad it wouldn't boot. :D

blackbelt_jones

11-05-2008, 11:13 AM

I quite like Slackware myself.

It deserves respect as it is one of the oldest and very configurable. It gave us the Slax family too and no distro has been more faithful to Lilo or its text-based installer than Slackware!

I never intended to convey disrespect toward Slackware, only toward psych-major. But I really must respect psych-major a little, since I did take his suggestion and install Slackware on one of my two machines.

For me, Slackware makes a great workstation, especially for writing. I can't explain it, but whenever I get on a slackware machine, I get things done. Something about the architecture seems to lend itself to productivity. For me, it's not a good choice for a media box, because there's always some crucial software package that I can't get to work. That probably says more about my limitations than Slackware's, but I'm a human being, and I'm bound to have limitations.

psych-major

11-05-2008, 11:23 AM

I've been called worse than a slackware user.

Dragon Media Player in KDE4 seems pretty solid, and libdvdcss is just a download and installpkg away.

cybertron

11-05-2008, 11:30 AM

no distro has been more faithful to Lilo
That's a good thing?:p

I suppose I can wax nostalgic about black screens of death while trying to learn to compile my own kernel, but even through rose colored glasses I don't think that's going to be a pleasant memory.:)

saikee

11-05-2008, 01:45 PM

cybertron,

Sometime I feel guilty of publicising Grub with my threads saying it is many time easier than Lilo.

When I started Linux about 40% distros used Lilo and 60% used Grub.

Nowadays I don't think Lilo has more than 10% of the market or probably a lot less.

Therefore distros stick with their belief and refuse to change should be respected as they might have a good reason for it. Much of Slackware's attractive features, flexibility, speed, robustness and power lies with its adherence to the first principles.

Personally I think Linux developers can slow down a bit and concentrate on improvements rathen than replacements.

FrankBlourtango

11-07-2008, 04:33 PM

I went to Synaptic package manager and installed Kubuntu Desktop. Now when I log in I can choose a session of Kubuntu, Gnome or whatever and set it as the default. When I reboot, I see Kubuntu splash screens.

blackbelt_jones

11-08-2008, 03:06 AM

That's a good thing?:p

I suppose I can wax nostalgic about black screens of death while trying to learn to compile my own kernel, but even through rose colored glasses I don't think that's going to be a pleasant memory.:)

All I know about Lilo is... that I know nothing about Lilo. So I do prefer Grub, but for a single boot Slackware system, as long as it installs okay, I'm fine with it.

psych-major, the thing to remember about my position on Konqueror vs. Dolphin and on KDE 3 vs. KDE 4 is that I'm not usually a KDE user in the orthodox sense. I usually run KDE applications in fluxbox. Konqueror is built into my custom desktop. It's a big part of my menus and keyboard shortcuts. I tell you though, just for fun, I just installed a dual boot of two Intrepid systems, one running KDE 3.5.10, and the other running KDE 4.1.2. When I run Dolphin in KDE 4, which, of course, is what it's made for, I have a lot more respect for it. It just fits right into the desktop. The thing about Konqueror is that it fits into my desktop... and I think that other people might find it to be a real power booster for window managers and so on, really versatile and universal, and I love that about konqueror... but Dolphin just fits right into that KDE 4. Like a glove.

I've been called worse than a slackware user.

I don't doubt that for a minute. In fact, I just called you a maniac...:)

psych-major

11-08-2008, 02:22 PM

So if you're running Ubuntu/fluxbox, why not just install Nautilus/Metacity and use it's keybindings and such?

blackbelt_jones

11-08-2008, 05:42 PM

So if you're running Ubuntu/fluxbox, why not just install Nautilus/Metacity and use it's keybindings and such?

Wait, you want me to run Nautilus in fluxbox for its keybindings?:eek: Shirley, you're not serious! Nothing beats fluxbox for keybindings.

I am under the impression that nautilus can't create or open desktop icons the way Konqueror and Dolphin can. Am I wrong? Wouldn't be the first time.

cybertron

11-09-2008, 01:15 PM

All I know about Lilo is... that I know nothing about Lilo. So I do prefer Grub, but for a single boot Slackware system, as long as it installs okay, I'm fine with it.
The only major difference for me is that LILO requires you to rerun it every time you make changes to your kernel, and if you forget you've just made that kernel unbootable (hope you have a backup one!). I think Grub has other nice features too, but that's the one I really care about.

psych-major

11-09-2008, 01:55 PM

The only major difference for me is that LILO requires you to rerun it every time you make changes to your kernel, and if you forget you've just made that kernel unbootable (hope you have a backup one!). I think Grub has other nice features too, but that's the one I really care about.
In the above case, boot a Slax or zenwalk like CD and fix Lilo.

cybertron

11-09-2008, 05:50 PM

In the above case, boot a Slax or zenwalk like CD and fix Lilo.
Yeah, it's just that it's a serious problem when it's your only PC and on top of that you're a newbie who doesn't know how to chroot into your install and get everything mounted properly to do that (which was the case when it happened to me, fortunately I still had a bootable kernel to fall back on).

saikee

11-10-2008, 12:48 PM

Don't think we need a Live CD pre-loaded with Lilo to fix Lilo.

Any Linux Live CD will do. The idea being if the installed Linux A has a faulty Lilo, anther Linux Live CD B has bee booted, by "chroot" to Linux A partition. We are effectively run Linux A with a kernel "sourced" from Linux B (the Live CD). Therefore any Live CD can rescuse any distressed Linux in the hard disk.

Another wonder in Linux.