Konqueror no longer default file manager for KDE

[blackbelt_jones]

I'm having a hard time trying to decide just how horrified I should be by this. Dolphin isn't bad, although I find it a little pretentious. The interface gives you the same information (what directory you're in) twice, from different perspectives. It's like a split-screen from 24, novel but not particularly useful. I can see why new users would find it attractive. The new bookmarks are handy, except that it appears that you can't bookmark files, only directories. In Konqueror, you can bookmark just about anything: a directory, a file, a webpage, even a menu or an application. So, like everything else in Dolphin, the bookmarks are twice as pretty, half as useful.

I found a thread where MS fanboys are complaining about how Dolphin has been ripped off from VIsta. I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=8352

I wouldn't really mind the fact that they're making Dolphin the default file manager, except that I doubt that they're going to leave Konqueror alone.

This is from the page announcing the new default at dot.kde.org. (http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/)

Konqueror is not going to disappear for KDE 4, although its user interface may yet see some adjustments as its primary utility will not [be] as the default file manager.

In other words, Konqueror-- the biggest, meanest, most comprehensive desktop application ever, is going to be "adjusted" to fit into the "integrated desktop experience" the geniuses at KDE are designing for us. It looks like they're going to be emphasizing the web browsing instead of the file management... which is sort of like Elvis deciding to cut back on the singing in favor of the acting. The fact that Konqueror is a web browser is a big part of what makes it the best file manager ever, but as a web browser, I think it's actually kind of slow and clunky, and hard to get plugins for.

The thing is, I don't usually use KDE, although I use Konqueror all the time. If you really want to see how awesome Konqueror is, use it with a light window manager environment like fluxbox or fvwm. It becomes a Desktop environment onto itself.

Konqueror is a Goliath of a desktop application-- and I hate to see it humbled by an effete, pretentious David as Dolphin

[stumbles]

If what you say about the redesign of konqueror is true, that will be very sad for me. KDE is my primary desktop and have yet to find any other file manager/browser better.... for me.

The only real problems I have had with it is the recent (this year) version bumps of flash and some websites (AFAICT from google searches) doing somethings that afa the KDE folks are concerned to be non-standard practices. Again AFAIK it has to do with some aspect of how GTK is being used by others.

I tried the latest KDE beta and still have the same issues mentioned above so it seems the KDE folks are not willing to change konqueror to adapt.

I might add, any websites I have problems with in konqueror do not exist in Firefox.

That's unfortunate as I really do prefer Konqueror.

[blackbelt_jones]

If what you say about the redesign of konqueror is true, that will be very sad for me.


Well, like I said, I don't know how horrified to be by this. Was I overreacting? Here's the announcement from KDE. Decide for yourself.

http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/

Konqueror is absolutely essential to my desktop, which uses KDE applications in combination with fluxbox. Part of the reason why I'm so spooked by this is that I know that Konqueror has a lot of features that are incredibly useful to me in fluxbox that are sort of redundant in the KDE desktop.

[stumbles]

Well, like I said, I don't know how horrified to be by this. Was I overreacting? Here's the announcement from KDE. Decide for yourself.

http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/

Konqueror is absolutely essential to my desktop, which uses KDE applications in combination with fluxbox. Part of the reason why I'm so spooked by this is that I know that Konqueror has a lot of features that are incredibly useful to me in fluxbox that are sort of redundant in the KDE desktop.

Hm. Personal opinion, they should leave konqueror as it is and fix any rendering issues it may have. Frankly I wasn't at all impressed with Dolphin and don't think it can hold a candle to Konqueror.

[enshum]

"Konqueror is a Goliath of a desktop application-- and I hate to see it humbled by an effete, pretentious David as Dolphin" You did pick the correct names David did kill Goliath

ed

[blackbelt_jones]

Since my initial post, I've been fooling around with Dolphin. It's a great looking application that makes a lot of information instantly accessible. I can see how new users might find it hospitable, and that's important, but I've been using Konqueror for five years, I know where the bookmarks are, and I don't want to lose all that power for the sake of what I already know being more obvious.

We ought to be able to choose Konqueror as a default. I wound up uninstalling dolphin because every damn thing I clicked on kept opening in Dolphin. And that's a shame because I might like to use it from time to time. I found an online petition to give us the choice of Konqueror as a default file manager. If yo9u agree, plese sign and circulate:

http://www.kde-forum.org/redir.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petitiononline.com% 2FkonqKDE4%2Fpetition.html

[enshum]

"We ought to be able to choose Konqueror as a default. I wound up uninstalling dolphin because every damn thing I clicked on kept opening in Dolphin. And that's a shame because I might like to use it from time to time. I found an online petition to give us the choice of Konqueror as a default file manager. If yo9u agree, plese sign and circulate:"

I think I will wait for KDE 4 to come out get some maturity before I decide one way or another about Dolphin and Konqueror what we see today may be completely different in three months.:)

ed

[blackbelt_jones]

"We ought to be able to choose Konqueror as a default. I wound up uninstalling dolphin because every damn thing I clicked on kept opening in Dolphin. And that's a shame because I might like to use it from time to time. I found an online petition to give us the choice of Konqueror as a default file manager. If yo9u agree, plese sign and circulate:"

I think I will wait for KDE 4 to come out get some maturity before I decide one way or another about Dolphin and Konqueror what we see today may be completely different in three months.:)

ed

Well, suit yourself, but all I'm asking for is the right to choose my default. I don't want KDE making the choice for me now, and it's a fairly safe bet that I'm not going to want KDE to make the choice for me three months from now.

Right now, the problem is that every damn click defaults on Dolphin. That means that if I decide to open a file in Konqueror, a Dolphin window opens. I try adjusting the file associations in Konqueror, I try typing in "konqueror" and checking the box that say "remember this association", and nothing changes, untii I uninstall dolphin. The fact is, the more I look at Dolphin, the more I like it, and I'd like to be able to use it sometimes, but right now it's using ME. Right now, it's telling ME what to do.

It seems to me that informing the developers of a situation that will not fly is how maturity happens.

[stumbles]

blackbelt_jones (http://justlinux.com/forum/member.php?u=40626) that's exactly the nail+head+hammer....... I WANT to use KDE and not the other way around and I did sign the petition.

[blackbelt_jones]

http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/

The more I read the above article, the nore ominous it becomes.

Konqueror will ship as the default web browser, and will still be usable as a file manager to those that prefer the historical lifestyle.


Don't know how I missed this part before. Historical lifestyle? This reminds me of the guy who declared that the command line was dead.

I've decided that I'm archiving all the kde 3.5 source code I can get. I don't know what I'll be able to do with it, but I can't leave Konqueror's fate in the hands of those who seem to have no comprehension of what they've got. Am I overreacting? Jesus, I sure hope so!

[sleepyEDB]

I found an online petition to give us the choice of Konqueror as a default file manager. If you agree, plese sign and circulate
I am signature #344.

Konqueror, FTW!!1 :D



sleepy

[blackbelt_jones]

Well, one of the developers has assured me that no significant changes are in the works for Konqueror, and taking him at his word allows me to relax. That's good, because I was taking this way too seriously. The 3 or 4 days since I first discovered dolphin in my Kubuntu Desktop, and read the menacing annoucement from march have been the first time ever when I was beginning to question whether my interest in gnu/linux was entirely healthy. Spend enough time really getting into Konqueror, and Konqueror starts to feel like a part of you, like a limb, and suggestions that your limb "may be adjusted" can be traumatic. That's an overreaction, no doubt about it.

The article from March was alarming, but today I am told that the consensus from KDE is to retain the integrity of Konqueror. And if that's true, that means that I can get behind Dolphin 100 percent, and even use it from time to time. I have discovered at least one feature that I completely love, the "Open as Root" button. Finally: a simple, direct way to use root access graphically! I 've always wanted to see something like this.

Konqueror is still the King... but all hail the new Dauphin!