MONITOR: Avidav LCD 17” Flat Panel
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2GHz dual core 640kb + 640kb cache
POWER SUPPLY: Coolmax 80mm ATX 450W
HARD DRIVE: Seagate 80GB SATA-II / 8MB cache / SATA-300
HARD DRIVE: Seagate 160GB SATA-II / 8MB cache / SATA-3G
VIDEO CARD: MSI NX7300LE PCI-E 128MB DDR2 nVidia GeForce 7 Series
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS M2V <GREEN> Socket AM2, VIA K8T890/VT8237A, HT2000, DDR2 800, PCI-e x16 Green ASUS
RAM: DDR2 Kingston matched 2GB 800MHz
SOUND: Creative SoundBlaster AudioPCI 128
OPTICAL DRIVE: IDE Generic 16x DVD RW/R
SCANNER: Canon LiDE 35
PRINTER: HP Photosmart 8250
OS: OpenSuSE 10.3 64bit
That is the system, now the problem. I installed OpenSuSE 10.3 from the IDE DVD R/RW. but now the system fails to even recognize it. I know it's an OpenSuSE issue, I rebooted the system with the install disk and the install procedure started without a hitch.
This looks a lot different than what I seem to remember my fstab looking like. I am really not sure what to do here since my other drives are SATA with the exception of an external USB drive.
I tried to use the hardware probe from YaST and it hangs at 7% on block devices. I need to install my old jvm 1.4 so my financial software (that would be Moneydance) will function. This is getting to be a real test of my patience.
Thank you for at least reading, but if you could help that would be great! Personally, I am about to ditch OpenSuSE at home again and go back to PCLinuxOS, at least everything worked for the most part. At least the critical stuff did without having to resort to tinkering! Sorry I am tired, it's been a long weekend and I have a hectic week coming up and really need to balance my checkbook and finalize some financial stuff. This shouldn't be rocket science, but it sure seems to be turning into it!
MkIII_Supra
10-22-2007, 12:12 AM
NOW, sound is gone... oh the DVD is working again... after several reboots. Yeah I know you don't have to reboot Linux, but it works for Windows! Anyhow, the proper JRE is installed... and a my finance software (which I didn't clarify earlier, was working just fine! NOT one stinking problem Friday!) still isn't working. So here is the error message from that!
ian@Master:~/Applications/Money-Dance/moneydance> ./Moneydance
No suitable Java Virtual Machine could be found on your system.
The version of the JVM must be at least 1.4.
Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM.
You can also try to delete the JVM cache file /home/ian/.install4j
So what's next? Why is a system that wasn't even being used, I was backpacking this weekend, got home 2 and a half hours ago... anyhow, why is a system that is not being tweaked, used or otherwise taxed acting like it has Alzheimer's? You know what, forget it. just f***ing forget it. I am not going to waste any more time, time that I cannot afford as to the fact I have other things to do! This was the last chance for Novell and OpenSuSE, it failed miserably. So back to PCLinuxOS, at least it f***ing worked without having to have a masters in computer engineering and a ton of my valuable time. I am tired and my woman will be walking in the door any minute now. My priorities are with her and my sanity.
saikee
10-22-2007, 03:31 AM
After kernel 2.6.20 all SCSI, Pata, Sata and USB hard disks are detected by driver ilbATA with device names universally sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, sde, sdf....etc . CD drives will be called scd1, scd2, etc.
The consequence is that block devices names are no longer permanent.
For example if you hook a USB hard disk as the sole hard disk Suse will see it as sda. Add a Sata then it will become sdb, Add anther Sata or Pata the USB disk becomes sdc. The sda and sdb depends on the port positions the Sata disk. My point is the whole thing can be "floating" so some distros start to use alternative method for the identification of the block device sda, sdb etc.
While Ubuntu family has gone over to the by-uuid method OpenSuse adopt the "by-id" method. Both of them have long names which are unique in the system.
Since a user can still uses the Linux names therefore nothing has changed really because you can override every by-id or by-uuid name yourself if you are aware of the sequence of hardware detection in your rig.
You can also see the equivalent of all these different methods related to the Linux device names in /dev/disk directory. Just list them out by
saikee@saikee-desktop:~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2007-10-20 15:40 ata-Maxtor_6L300R0_L609G99H -> ../../hda
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-10-20 15:40 ata-Maxtor_6L300R0_L609G99H-part1 -> ../../hda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-10-20 15:40 ata-Maxtor_6L300R0_L609G99H-part5 -> ../../hda5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-10-20 15:40 ata-Maxtor_6L300R0_L609G99H-part6 -> ../../hda6
saikee@saikee-desktop:~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-10-20 15:40 67299b86-bdc6-4c90-a463-1ff2c8af9a5a -> ../../hda6
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-10-20 15:40 fcaf92d3-825d-4bfa-8d80-0282ff9a9d66 -> ../../hda5
saikee@saikee-desktop:~$
Red Hat family distros havefor years stick with the use of by-label method. Therefore there is nothing new.
You can use the traditional Linux devices names as before. The by-label, by-id and by-uuid methods affect main the booting process.
The above information was explained by me by our villege elder bwakz before in this thread (http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149762&highlight=by-uuid)
MkIII_Supra
10-22-2007, 12:14 PM
Woke up this morning, erased OpenSuSE from my home system and installed PCLinuxOS 2007 and have everything, and I mean everything up and running without a hitch in the giddyap in 45 minutes. I can access the Oracle app from home, my Financial manager functions perfectly and the system appears to be snappier.
NOW for the work system. I can't move it back to PCLinuxOS because of the dual monitor issue, that nothing seemed to resolve. SO I am stuck with OpenSuSE for the time being BUT... I cannot access the Oracle application because Firefox says there is no suitable JRE installed... but it's there! I can see it in all it's glory! Why can't Firefox? I mean it did earlier, before I installed the MS Fonts, now it can't!? And it's not a user profile thing either. I tested it in a new account I created and same thing no suitable JRE installed, even though there is.
My question is, how is it that a multi-million dollar corporation is incapable of delivering a reliable OS and yet, some guy with the help of a few friends is able to deliver? I just don't understand it. Here at the office I am stuck in a rock and a hard place. I have dual head on both the Windows and Linux machine, but the Linux ONLY works with OpenSuSE, while other things I need don't... BUT PCLinuxOS all the stuff I need works but the dual head doesn't! I use the dual head on both systems, sure I can get by with a single monitor but it makes working on some of the spreadsheets a bear. And when I am reading a spec sheet while writing a contract or a reply is a bit of a hassle. I guess I could just use the Windows machine, toss Linux out of the office and be done with it. Admit that Linux is not ready for my workplace and have to eat a lot of crow about it.
I guess that's what torques me so much is that I had so much faith that Linux could work smoothly here in the office, and yet... these last few weeks have been an abysmal disappointment. Sure the e-mail and web browsing work, and Office stuff does to, but database set up issues (although they were FINALLY resolved by using an easier solution but that comes with a penalty as well...) and now a simple thing as a JRE is stopping me from accessing an important site.
I may sound like I am whining or crying. And maybe I am or maybe I have my expectations set too high. After all it's 2007 and Linux is 16 years old... and yet things that should be rudimentary basics and easy to do still aren't. It's like I said earlier, Linux has come a long ways, but it's still not ready. And I am beginning to wonder if it ever will be. For those of you that love to tweak and have an intimate knowledge of Linux, kudo's to you for your investment. I am glad that at least someone is seeing a good return on their time invested. But the question is what was the cost to you? How many hours of family time did you sacrifice? How many party or gatherings did you skip or show up late too? How many times have you been delayed for your efforts? For me, far too many and I will not tolerate it anymore nor will I spend hours on computers when I have a family and hobbies that I value far more.
But I am finding myself more in the realm of a user. I have tasks that I want to perform and that's it. I don't want to dig in the internals of an OS anymore. I gave that up a couple years ago, I have other things that I find more fun than sitting at a computer for hours on end while it's sunny and warm outside. Yeah it was fun a couple years ago and I learned a lot, but now like my car I just want to drive it. I don't want to do the maintenance on it, that's what my mechanic is for. Problem is finding good local Linux help. I mean it's not like I can go to the local Mom and Pop shop and hire someone to come take care of these issues!
I am tired, tired of being amped then disappointed. Windows sucks, Linux sucks, FreeBSD is such a pain in the backside that I stopped trying 2 years ago, and Mac... pretty but unable to do what I want and need at the office, such as run some of the Windows only software applications. Which wine or crossover MAY or MAY NOT run.
The bottom line, if I can't get this issue with OpenSuSE fixed soon, then that's it. I pull the plug on Linux in the office and continue with using Windows. Understand that if this fails, the impact if more far reaching than just my desktop. It will mean that ITS will not consider Linux as a replacement for Windows for a long time to come, if ever again. Well, I have wasted enough time griping, I have reports to generate.
retsaw
10-22-2007, 12:26 PM
Did you try copying your /etc/X11/xorg.conf from OpenSUSE to PCLinuxOS to see if that would get dual-head working in PCLinuxOS?
MkIII_Supra
10-22-2007, 12:39 PM
No, I didn't even think of it! Good idea! I will give it a go and see if it works!
saikee
10-22-2007, 12:43 PM
My strategy has always been flexible with the operating systems. If the task can be achieved in Windows and you have got a license for it why not use it?
I would hesitate for a second to boot up a Windows if I need something done by a proprietary software like amending a complicated AutoCAD drawing.
See all the SaX references? My gut tells me that PCLinuxOS will puke on that. What do you think?
retsaw
10-22-2007, 06:39 PM
I would think that the SaX references are driver specific, but should work on PCLinuxOS as long as you've got the radeon driver installed and I presume you would have. Although I'm only guessing because I haven't seen those options before.
What might cause a problem is the fontpaths listed in that file if they differ from PCLinuxOS, but I think X would just log an error to it's logfile and carry on regardless for those.
MkIII_Supra
10-23-2007, 04:51 PM
I stayed very late last night and completely slicked the / and /home partitions then reinstalled OpenSuSE 10.3. Not something I wanted to do on my time BUT since (even though I look like I am whining...) I can't quite quit without a decent fight. Must be the Scots heritage or something.
Anyhow, I got OpenSuSE 10.3 completely reinstalled and up and running. I finished it this morning when I came in, and what I mean is moving files and such back into my NEW /home directory. I took my time, meticulously selected all the software I NEED. Anything that isn't NEEDED I unselected UNLESS it was a requirement for dependency.
SO far everything EXCEPT one thing SEEMS to be functioning. And it's the Oracle application for time and maintenance management... again. But this time it's a different problem. It won't start! The applet starts to run, the page blanks like it's supposed to and... nothing. BUT when I run the same app from home on my freshly install PCLinuxOS, it works perfect. So now I am stumped. No error messages, and no application. No indication as to what is working or not and since it's a web app, I don't know how to launch it in a manner that would allow me to trap error messages, like with launching an app from konsole does.
My hypothesis is that when I installed I used the same /home directory that was set-up under PCLinuxOS. And that somehow that may have been the source of the issues... possibly. I really don't know why or what was causing the issues I was having earlier. I would like to but then again I don't have time to invest in finding out. Either way I am very tired today. Late night and I don't generally drive but bike the 9 miles each way to and from work... doesn't help matters much either.
SO does anyone have an idea or a potential reason why this Java based Oracle application will not launch? And yes I checked all the logical things first.
Thank you,
PS: it won't launch from Mozilla OR Konqueror.
MkIII_Supra
10-23-2007, 05:02 PM
My strategy has always been flexible with the operating systems. If the task can be achieved in Windows and you have got a license for it why not use it?
I would hesitate for a second to boot up a Windows if I need something done by a proprietary software like amending a complicated AutoCAD drawing.
I prefer to work in a Linux environment. It's easier on my eyes (read fonts and rendering as well as looks period!) and it's also a way to save money. Since I work at a University of California, money and how to save costs are always a concern. So Linux is cheaper as far as licensing and once it's set up and configured (i.e. the frakking bugs and kinks knocked out of the set-up) it's rock solid and requires little to no maintenance AND it doesn't require a huge support infrastructure (read AV, AA and all the other tools to prop it up) that Windows needs to even survive on the net.
Another thing is because I can quickly and easily adapt Linux to MY way of operations I am faster. And with klipper I have a very powerful tool that Windows, actually Office, pathetically mimics. The native multi-desktop arrangement that KDE, Gnome and all the other WM's come with is another awesome tool I use everyday. I have many applications open and having them set up on specific desktops keeps clutter down while also allowing me to focus on that particular app, if I need to reference the another application it's easy.
Beagle is another powerful tool I use and because I can have it index my Windows PC as well as several of the network drives I use, I have a VERY powerful search tool at my finger tips. Something that I believe Vista try's to emulate but how well, I couldn't tell you.
There are lots of little things that make me faster and more productive in a Linux environment that Windows either cannot do or does not do well. But it's also my nature not to conform to the same mold as everyone else. That caused me a lot of trouble in the Navy, but it also was the reason I was so damn good at what I did. I wasn't a clone with the clone mentality. Linux affords me that same ability at work. :D
MkIII_Supra
10-23-2007, 05:54 PM
My strategy has always been flexible with the operating systems. If the task can be achieved in Windows and you have got a license for it why not use it?
I would hesitate for a second to boot up a Windows if I need something done by a proprietary software like amending a complicated AutoCAD drawing.
I prefer to work in a Linux environment. It's easier on my eyes (read fonts and rendering as well as looks period!) and it's also a way to save money. Since I work at a University of California, money and how to save costs are always a concern. So Linux is cheaper as far as licensing and once it's set up and configured (i.e. the frakking bugs and kinks knocked out of the set-up) it's rock solid and requires little to no maintenance AND it doesn't require a huge support infrastructure (read AV, AA and all the other tools to prop it up) that Windows needs to even survive on the net.
Another thing is because I can quickly and easily adapt Linux to MY way of operations I am faster. And with klipper I have a very powerful tool that Windows, actually Office, pathetically mimics. The native multi-desktop arrangement that KDE, Gnome and all the other WM's come with is another awesome tool I use everyday. I have many applications open and having them set up on specific desktops keeps clutter down while also allowing me to focus on that particular app, if I need to reference the another application it's easy.
Beagle is another powerful tool I use and because I can have it index my Windows PC as well as several of the network drives I use, I have a VERY powerful search tool at my finger tips. Something that I believe Vista try's to emulate but how well, I couldn't tell you.
There are lots of little things that make me faster and more productive in a Linux environment that Windows either cannot do or does not do well. But it's also my nature not to conform to the same mold as everyone else. That caused me a lot of trouble in the Navy, but it also was the reason I was so damn good at what I did. I wasn't a clone with the clone mentality. Linux affords me that same ability at work. :D
Also the command line and all the cool scripts I have written to make my job easier... I probably couldn't replicate half of what I do in the depreciated DOS provided by XP Pro... or maybe I could but Perl... on Linux in a script and BASH? Come on now!
MkIII_Supra
10-25-2007, 12:02 PM
Still looking for the answer to the question...
I stayed very late last night and completely slicked the / and /home partitions then reinstalled OpenSuSE 10.3. Not something I wanted to do on my time BUT since (even though I look like I am whining...) I can't quite quit without a decent fight. Must be the Scots heritage or something.
Anyhow, I got OpenSuSE 10.3 completely reinstalled and up and running. I finished it this morning when I came in, and what I mean is moving files and such back into my NEW /home directory. I took my time, meticulously selected all the software I NEED. Anything that isn't NEEDED I unselected UNLESS it was a requirement for dependency.
SO far everything EXCEPT one thing SEEMS to be functioning. And it's the Oracle application for time and maintenance management... again. But this time it's a different problem. It won't start! The applet starts to run, the page blanks like it's supposed to and... nothing. BUT when I run the same app from home on my freshly install PCLinuxOS, it works perfect. So now I am stumped. No error messages, and no application. No indication as to what is working or not and since it's a web app, I don't know how to launch it in a manner that would allow me to trap error messages, like with launching an app from konsole does. But the Oracle application DOES work at home on my PCLinuxOS system and here on the Windows machine, but I have to change the mouse from Left handed to right handed in order to use it on Windows... yes I am a lefty and have everything set up that way. Added level of security against the guys messing with the systems! Anyhow...
My hypothesis is that when I installed I used the same /home directory that was set-up under PCLinuxOS. And that somehow that may have been the source of the issues... possibly. I really don't know why or what was causing the issues I was having earlier. I would like to but then again I don't have time to invest in finding out. Either way I am very tired today. Late night and I don't generally drive but bike the 9 miles each way to and from work... doesn't help matters much either.
SO does anyone have an idea or a potential reason why this Java based Oracle application will not launch? And yes I checked all the logical things first.
Thank you,
PS: it won't launch from Mozilla OR Konqueror.
bwkaz
10-25-2007, 07:18 PM
If you launch the browser from a terminal emulator (Konsole should work fine), then any errors that the Java plugin emits (if there are any) should be printed to the terminal. That may be worth a try.
Otherwise it depends on exactly what "won't launch" means. ;) I assume it means (in part) that the applet doesn't fully start up, but do you get anything at all? Actually, it may be worth asking whoever wrote the java code (if possible)...
MkIII_Supra
10-25-2007, 07:47 PM
If I launch Firefox via konsole, it doesn't log anything it will open then give me a fresh line for more commands.
But if I launch konqueror via konsole then I get this:
Unfortunately I cannot ask for support or talk to the person that wrote the applet. I have to run solo without any support from our ITS department, that was one of the agreements to allowing me to have the Linux workstation.
Like I said it will launch from home no issues at all. As for what I mean, well let me show you via some screen shots!
The first one is what I get with Linux, the gray background on the browser but no applet window.
The second image shows the login window I am supposed to see. That is what I mean by fails to launch, I am not getting that login window! If needed I can send you the url so you can test it yourself to see exactly what I mean.
quip
10-25-2007, 10:20 PM
But if I launch konqueror via konsole then I get this:
Just an idea, but this seems to indicate that konqueror is using the gnu version of java. Is it? If so, I would retry with Sun's version.
MkIII_Supra
10-26-2007, 11:36 AM
I'll look into that and let ya'll know what I find.
MkIII_Supra
10-26-2007, 12:06 PM
Nope...
FASER: java -version
java version "1.6.0_03"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
FASER:
I even installed the KDE bindings for Java as well as a couple other apps. Using YaST I can see that I have the classpath, classpath-jta and classpath webplugin installed along with the cryptix package.
I also have java-1_4_2-cacao
java-1_5_0-sun
java-1_5_0-sun-devel
java-1_5_0-sun-jdbc
java-1_5_0-sun-plugin
java-1_5_0-sun-src
Are you running Compiz? I know that in ubuntu you have to turn desktop effects (compiz) off in order to get Java applets to run properly. I figure since Novell wrote compiz it may be installed by default in OpenSuSE.
MkIII_Supra
10-26-2007, 12:35 PM
no compiz or any other 3D desktop stuff. At least I am not running it actively.
bwkaz
10-26-2007, 06:51 PM
FASER: java -version
java version "1.6.0_03"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
FASER:
Looks like you have the Sun JVM installed, and your default "java" is from that, which is good -- but is Konqueror using that JVM? :)
Might be worth re-running Konqueror from the terminal, and seeing if you get gcj-related output. If so, you probably need to find out from a KDE-using person (i.e. not me :() how to change the Java plugin that Konqueror uses.
(Java plugins are not run via the "java" program, in other words.)
MkIII_Supra
10-26-2007, 06:54 PM
Mozilla over Konqueror myself. I was using Konqeror as a test.
bwkaz
10-27-2007, 08:35 AM
OK, that's fine -- but since Konqueror at least gave you some output, I figured it'd be good to keep using it to test. ;)
MkIII_Supra
10-29-2007, 01:03 PM
Gottcha... I am not at the office yet, will be in about an hour. I'll dig around a bit more then.
JohnT
10-31-2007, 07:28 PM
Have you attempted to check your plugin folder in Firefox for the java plugin and confirm the symlink or just delete it and re-link it. If links are good to go you might want to look at a corrupted java install as a potential source....remove and reinstall.
What I want to know is how a virgin install fails to work with this applet but other distributions (well PCLinuxOS in this case) work just fine. It still isn't working in either and I made sure to have Konqueror pointing at the correct Java. :confused: :mad:
MkIII_Supra
10-31-2007, 07:41 PM
See... here is what Konqueror still does when launched from CLI
I know this is going to sound dick-ish, but I disagree. Seeing gcj leads me to believe that you have it pointed to Gnu's java implementation, not Sun's. And I would guess that PCLinuxOS is using Sun's.
Try going to /usr/lib/browser-plugins, and see if you have something similar to this (I'm using 10.3 as well, upgraded from 10.1 and then 10.2, BTW):
I believe quip is pointing you to the correct investigative track.......most of these java/browser problems are due to problematic symlinks or corrupt installs. I have had problems with GCJ PLUGIN in the past so its not too farfetched. Find a good working implementation of Suns java and stick with it. Updating java can also cause problems.......stick with what works unless a piece of software has an overwhelming need for a particular version. Very rarely. I have had as many as 3-4 implementations of java installed for various software......no problems other than keeping track of the links.:p
So what do I do now? Do I select a JRE then link to that executable? Not 100% sure what I need to do. Also I don't understand why only OpenSuSE is having this issue with this. That is another question I would like to try and understand. Anyhow, thank you very much for getting me this far! Hopefully soon I will get this resolved and be on my happy way!
quip
11-01-2007, 04:36 PM
So what do I do now? Do I select a JRE then link to that executable? Not 100% sure what I need to do. Also I don't understand why only OpenSuSE is having this issue with this. That is another question I would like to try and understand. Anyhow, thank you very much for getting me this far! Hopefully soon I will get this resolved and be on my happy way!
Well, and I am not saying this from any other regard than a simplicity one, I would uninstall the gcj version. However, I'm not sure how you got this from a "default" install, since I did a default install originally, and recently a default upgrade from a 10.3 disk via the installer, and I have never had gcj on my machine.
Anyway, here's what mine points to:
wayne@laptop:/etc/alternatives> ls -l javaplugin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 83 2007-10-06 17:21 javaplugin -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0_update12/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
If you only have 1.6 installed, and not 1.5, you should delete the symlink and recreate it to point to the correct version; probably the same path, with some "...1.6.0..." in place of the "java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0_update12" part.
However, when dealing with distros that track dependencies, this can lead to hard-to-diagnose errors later, so on second thought, I would definitely delete the "conflicting" version (gcj)...
bwkaz
11-01-2007, 06:56 PM
Debian has an "update-alternatives" program that will change the symlinks in /etc/alternatives for you. It may also update other information, I'm not sure. Anyway, if OpenSUSE has this program as well, then I'd use it to change the (second!) symlink, instead of manually recreating it. (I.e., don't change the symlink in /usr/lib/browser-plugins; change the symlink at /etc/alternatives/javaplugin instead.)
Let me see if I can find the usage of update-alternatives...
OK, looks like it's (primarily) an interactive thing. If you run update-alternatives --config javaplugin you should get an interface that lists all the available "targets" for the javaplugin alternative, and asks which one you want to use. Choose the one that looks like it's Sun's plugin (i.e. it's in a .../jre/plugin/i386/ns7/... directory), and it should change the symlink and update its database.
(Unless your distro's version of update-alternatives is different than Debian's, which is possible. It's also possible that it isn't called update-alternatives, either, but I'd hope that it is.)
quip
11-01-2007, 09:10 PM
Debian has an "update-alternatives" program that will change the symlinks in /etc/alternatives for you. It may also update other information, I'm not sure. Anyway, if OpenSUSE has this program as well, then I'd use it to change the (second!) symlink, instead of manually recreating it. (I.e., don't change the symlink in /usr/lib/browser-plugins; change the symlink at /etc/alternatives/javaplugin instead.)
That command is available on openSUSE. From my laptop:
laptop:/home/wayne # update-alternatives
update-alternatives: need --display, --config, --install, --remove or --auto
Debian GNU/Linux update-alternatives 1.8.3. Copyright (C) 1995
Ian Jackson. This is free software; see the GNU General Public Licence
version 2 or later for copying conditions. There is NO warranty.
So, it appears that it is the same version...
MkIII_Supra
11-02-2007, 12:54 AM
and yet there is another issue...
I figured out which package to remove, the application now starts like it's supposed to. Yes! Thank you!
But, there it is again! That nasty little but! The fonts are too small to read! All my other fonts look great, but the fonts for the Oracle app that I have been trying to launch and now can... are so small that an ant would need glasses to read them!
So how do I fix that? I can post a screen shot tomorrow when I get to the office if need be.
JohnT
11-02-2007, 08:49 AM
font paths....xorg.conf.....Firefox needs your fonts as specified in its preferences to display as intended. If not there it will fallback to what is first available as a default.
MkIII_Supra
11-02-2007, 02:20 PM
and I have arial installed and xorg.conf points to it. So I don't know what else I am supposed to do.
MkIII_Supra
11-02-2007, 02:27 PM
the first are my settings in Firefox the second is what I am seeing!
quip
11-02-2007, 02:54 PM
Hmmmm...that's an odd one.
Does this happen with all fonts, or just arial? Maybe all TrueType fonts?
I would see if it applies across the board (which would point to some system issue, most likely, like JohnT was alluding to) or to a specific font or set of fonts, which would narrow down the problem a little...
Well just the section dealing with Fonts. Again on the PCLinuxOS system at home I don't have this problem. This is why I am getting puzzled and a bit irritated. I just don't get it.:eek:
quip
11-02-2007, 04:08 PM
Well, your font section looks good, and I have virtually the same thing. (I have a socket-looking entry for some reason " FontPath "unix/:7100" ", and I don't have a .fonts in my home dir.
I am assuming that this is still just a Firefox, and not Konqueror, problem. If so, I would guess you could move your .mozilla dir in /home to a safe location, and re-launch, and see what happens. Maybe something in there is screwy.
JohnT
11-02-2007, 05:35 PM
I always run my browser settings at...."Allow pages to choose their own fonts".
MkIII_Supra
11-02-2007, 05:47 PM
"I always run my browser settings at...."Allow pages to choose their own fonts"."
I have tried that already and doesn't matter at all. This is really boggling my peanut! :mad:
bwkaz
11-02-2007, 08:26 PM
I don't think this is a Firefox thing, though, since all these font issues are only showing up within a specific Java applet. Any HTML would use the Firefox font dialog's settings, but this obviously isn't, so I think this is a Java thing.
I'm not sure what Sun's JVM uses to render its fonts. I see a few references in Google to it having its own set of .ttf files hanging around somewhere, but I'm not sure whether it only uses those, or where they are in OpenSUSE. You might try something like find /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0.u3-sun/ -name '*.ttf' to find out which font files are contained anywhere in the JRE that you're using. See what happens if you copy them off somewhere else, then replace them with your system's arial.ttf file. (Don't just copy arial.ttf into the JRE directory though. Give it the same name as the existing font files had -- basically, replace Java's idea of the font file holding the "Lucida sans" font with "Arial".)
Actually, what might shed some more light is pulling down the .class file that houses that applet (look through the HTML source for an <applet> tag -- somewhere in that tag should be a URL to a .class or .jar file: wget that URL), and running it via appletviewer in a terminal. See if the font issue persists, and if so, see if the terminal showed any errors related to fonts. (Or any errors at all.)
JohnT
11-03-2007, 05:43 AM
bwkaz is right on :p ....the JRE thing blew right past me.....I don't know why, as I have had the same problem in the past, but had alzheimered it. This should give you a sense of direction. Found it in my bookmarks.:rolleyes:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/intl/fontprop.html
MkIII_Supra
11-05-2007, 12:17 PM
<HTML>
<!-- FILE: basejpi.htm (Oracle Forms) -->
<!-- -->
<!-- This is the default base HTML file for running a form on the -->
<!-- web using the JDK Java Plugin. This is used for example when -->
<!-- running with Netscape on Unix. -->
<!-- -->
<!-- IMPORTANT NOTES: -->
<!-- Default values for all the variables which appear below -->
<!-- (enclosed in percent characters) are defined in the servlet -->
<!-- configuration file (formsweb.cfg). It is preferable to make -->
<!-- changes in that file where possible, rather than this one. -->
<!-- -->
<!-- This file will be REPLACED if you reinstall Oracle Forms, so -->
<!-- you are advised to create your own version if you want to make -->
<!-- any modifications. You should then set the baseHTMLjpi -->
<!-- parameter in the Forms Servlet configuration file (formsweb.cfg) -->
<!-- to point to your new file instead of this one. -->
<HEAD><TITLE>UCSC Famis 8i Prod</TITLE></HEAD>
<BODY >
"serverURL="/forms90/l90servlet?ifcfs=/forms90/f90servlet?config=famis8i_prod&acceptLanguage=en-us,en;q=0.5"
networkRetries="30" <-- is this the line?
This is all the code from the applet window.
MkIII_Supra
11-05-2007, 12:33 PM
Font location = /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0_update13/jre/lib/fonts
There are only 8 font files and a font.dir file, all the fonts here are Lucida*.ttf. Before I do anything (since this is a prod machine...) I need to be absolutley clear as to what I need to do. (I am bookmarking this thread for sure!)
bwkaz
11-05-2007, 10:10 PM
<PARAM NAME="CODE" VALUE="oracle.forms.engine.Main" >
<PARAM NAME="ARCHIVE" VALUE="f90all.jar" > I think it's the combination of these two values that tell the JRE plugin which class to create and use as the applet. I think the f90all.jar (interpreted as a relative URL: relative to this page's URL) is the file that contains the code, and oracle.forms.engine.Main is probably the applet class.
However, I'd look into JohnT's suggestion of using the font.properties file first, if your version of Java supports that still. (That page is for Java 1.4; I'm not sure if that file stayed around in later JREs.) It's probably easier than replacing font files entirely. :) However, it may not let you change the font sizes, so I don't know if it'll work for everything you need or not.
Actually, what might be even easier is changing the "look-and-feel" parameter in this HTML file, if you can get that to happen (and it works). Instead of the "oracle" L&F, see if the "java" L&F works any better. (Assuming "java" is a valid value for that parameter. You may need to check with the Oracle documentation to see what the valid values are.) The font size is controlled by the Java code, and I don't know if you can modify anything on the rest of the system to get it to work right, so if a different L&F works better, and you can get whoever owns this configuration file to change it, then that may be a better solution.
JohnT
11-06-2007, 05:45 AM
if your version of Java supports that still. (That page is for Java 1.4; I'm not sure if that file stayed around in later JREs.
Good Point,bwkaz!
to invest... so I will attempt a down-grade to an older version of Java removing all other java refs. See if that corrects the issue. If so cool, if not, then I guess I will have to invest a lot of time to get this to work. Not what I planned on doing with this system. I'll let you know if it works or not...
MkIII_Supra
11-07-2007, 08:47 PM
The older version didn't work at all, gave an error stating needed the missing plug-in. So I removed the older version and installed the next version up and now the browser crashes when I try to launch the app. But it will work as another user... so somehow my Mozilla profile is "damaged" with this app/site. Works well elsewhere.
So I am going to call it quits for now. I am tired and really don't have the time to invest into this at the moment... again. Damn that silly thing called work keeps getting in the way! But I still don't understand how two different distros using the same Java version (I forgot to mention that last time) get different results? The only thing different is the distribution. PCLinuxOS works fine no need to tweak or freak, yet OpenSuSE doesn't?
This really takes me back to the consistency gripe I posted a while back and only serves to validate their are still issues to be addressed. :mad:
MkIII_Supra
11-08-2007, 12:10 AM
I just installed Linux Mint on my laptop, adding apps and updating as I post this FROM my new install of Mint on my personal laptop... and I decided to test the Famis Oracle page out. And it works flawlessly! Fonts look great, they are large and very legible and all I did was install Mint.
Now why can't OpenSuSE, a product that is maintained by Novell employees do this? Why is it two independent distributions (that I have tried so far) can not only do it but do it right? I just don't understand it. Would someone please explain this? How is it this happens? And what is needed to correct it so we can start getting consistent performance across ALL distributions with basic applications!
Is that really too much to ask?:confused:
JohnT
11-08-2007, 07:01 AM
You might pose that very question to the developers of Open Suse....I'm sure they would love to know.:p
MkIII_Supra
11-08-2007, 02:56 PM
and nothing yet... it's just do damn frustrating to have so many little application inconsistencies between the distributions. It really does infuriate one exponentially. Driving me nucking futs just to get simple things to work. It shouldn't be like this... and no I still don't have it functioning correctly yet. :mad:
MkIII_Supra
11-29-2007, 12:53 PM
So I have more information, I have been reading about others with this same issue, and not one solution yet. A lot of pointing to hardware failures though. I am not buying that just yet since my components all work grand with other distributions, AND they are relatively new. I don't know about how Windows would perform or if this can be replicated on Windows, since I haven't run Windows at home for over 4 years now. I believe this is definitely an OpenSuSE issue with mixed SATA / PATA drive environments.
How I come to that conclusion is very simple, of the many postings on this issue that I have found so far, the few that put their hardware specs, posted using SATA hard drives with PATA DVD drives. Common theme, now the question is are we all using ASUS motherboards? My system spec is in an earlier post above. My solution will be to buy an additional SATA card and a SATA DVD R/RW drive and see if this resolves the issue I am having. It's going to be a few days before I can do this since I am starting a move to a new place tonight.
If one of you others that having this issue can test this out, please do and post the results. At the least, post the hard drive manufacture, size and motherboard you are using. Let's see if there is a common hardware configuration that is affecting us all. Either way this is really annoying and just to clarify, I CANNOT REPLICATE THIS BEHAVIOR IN THE FOLLOWING DISTRIBUTIONS:
1. Mepis
2. Kubuntu
3. PCLinuxOS
4. Mint Linux
5. PC BSD
6. Gentoo - can't get graphics to work either?
7. Fedora 8
8 OpenSuSE 10.2
Every single one of these distributions has been loaded and tested. The DVD remained 100% operational and functional without any issues at all. OpenSuSE 10.3 keeps losing the IDE DVD and the only way to get it back is to reboot, unacceptable! That is how Windows works, now how Linux is supposed to work. I still haven't found an answer and I have submitted a bug with OoenSuSE (at least I am pretty sure I did...) bottom line... still looking for an answer.
JohnT
11-29-2007, 07:32 PM
In your avatar:
A. Strapped to a tree and liking it:eek:
B: Hate belts but love suspenders.:cool:
C. A combination of both and live in Conn.:p
D. Stolen avatar from Yahoo Personals.:D
MkIII_Supra
11-29-2007, 07:37 PM
In your avatar:
A. Strapped to a tree and liking it:eek:
B: Hate belts but love suspenders.:cool:
C. A combination of both and live in Conn.:p
D. Stolen avatar from Yahoo Personals.:D
Not really addressing the issue... but if you must insist, that is me with my Camel Bak out at Andrew Molera state park. What is not seen is my daughter is with me in the photo. What else isn't seen is my 10mm Glock I carry pretty much everywhere I go.
JohnT
11-29-2007, 09:33 PM
Yes...I must insist!!!:rolleyes: So if I'm making fun of your suspenders....your saying your daughter is your first line of defense then there's you carrying a glock when you wear them? Smart move....the woods must be littered with the bodies...not to mention the ranger station parking area.:rolleyes:
MkIII_Supra
11-29-2007, 10:02 PM
No! My kid watches my back... make sure none of those pesky Winders user sneak up on me! The Glock is for fly's! :eek:
MkIII_Supra
06-01-2008, 09:40 PM
So I solved the CD/DVD-RW issue... I had to buy a SATA DVD-RW and problem was solved. Not exactly how I wanted to resolve the issue, since the existing IDE drive was just fine. But it's done.
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