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geek.arnuld

06-13-2007, 05:47 AM

it is quite sad but i *expect* exactly in that way from corporate world:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/12/232

i only want to know how we, as "Free Software Community" can take over such challenges. i came up only with one idea:

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developing my own Free Software business (like Red Hat but being more selective in choosing softwares like Debian's DFSG and BLAG) and if we are 5 or 7 owners in numbers creating biggy-BIG MNCs over 10-20 years of time then i think we can change the software proprietary things to Free Software things .
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am i right ?

mrBen

06-13-2007, 10:13 AM

OK - I'll bite. What's an MNC?

The Coder

06-13-2007, 10:36 AM

Maybe Multi National Company? A term used overseas a lot.

geek.arnuld

06-13-2007, 11:01 AM

Maybe Multi National Company? A term used overseas a lot.

right.....

blackbelt_jones

06-13-2007, 12:20 PM

I don't understand any of the this. Why not just make good software and help people learn how to use it? We're not a corporation, and so we don't need to take anything over. Our strength is rapid development. A good product that just keeps getting better, and because we're not a business, we can't be put out of business. So we just keep getting better, and we don't go away.

There's a lot that I don't understand about solaris and whatnot, but that seems pretty simple. Is there something I'm not getting?

geek.arnuld

06-13-2007, 12:52 PM

I don't understand any of the this. Why not just make good software and help people learn how to use it? We're not a corporation, and so we don't need to take anything over.

yes, we are no corporation and for how long you make good software and help people learn how to use it ? why you should create good software when you do not pay millions in taxes ? or why should i allow you creating good softwares because you make better than me and you are not as rich and as powerful as i am, so i will better send you my lawyers and stop you. that is business tactic to prosper my business, that is a good thing because i only want to save my home.

some time ago, Microsoft (after M$-Novell deal[1]) claimed that Linux is of good quality and possesses good quality software because Linux had violated 235 patents of Microsoft [2] and i heard about M$-Xandros deal too [3]

for how long you can have GNU distro... why you should have UNIX on your computer when you don't pay me several thousands $ in royalties and even when you pay why you should use the "method to solve a problem" which i have patented.

Bill Gates/Steve Ballmer or any other proprietary MNC owner does not create softwares himself... he exists to control who create those software and with the power of money and help of government they want to take control of my computer, the programming language i use and the songs i listen to. i refuse to accept such control that kills innovation and technical-competence. i don't want to become a cybernetic-organism obeying their IDIOT laws. DMR, Ken Thompson, Uncle John McCarthy, RMS, ESR and Paul Graham create softwares but they do not have any or full power...to control the softwares they create.. it is corporate who controls them and us and unless i or you stand against and compete to become as powerful as they are, by creating an OpenSource software MNC, till then we are robots obeying our Master's orders.

Linus himself is also getting concerned when he does not promote OpenSource and feels happy using proprietary softwares[4]

and ..still...if you want to read full article, go here: http://arnuld.blogspot.com

[1] http://news.com.com/Microsoft+makes+Linux+pact+with+Novell/2100-1016_3-6132119.html

[2] http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/

[3] http://news.com.com/Microsoft+teams+with+Linux+distributor+Xandros/2100-7344_3-6188254.html

[4] http://news.com.com/Torvalds+Solaris+could+nudge+Linux+to+GPL+3/2100-7344_3-6190618.html

je_fro

06-13-2007, 01:30 PM

You might wanna read about the last guy who wanted to start a MNC around linux... his name is Darl McBride.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070602185104478

blackbelt_jones

06-13-2007, 01:55 PM

Hey, the last guy who tried to sue Linux for Royalties was also named Darl McBride! What a weird co-incidence!

Does anybody agree with me that if Microsoft starts litigating over patents, they're going to start something they don't want to finish? I mean, they are SO vulnerable here! Aren't they? They not only would have to prove that they registered the patent, they're going to have to prove they originated the idea, and that's just not always the case.

Did they invent the GUI? Nope. The administrative user? Don't think so. They start losing these cases, it's going to make them look like... losers.

They're bluffing, bluffing, bluffing, and it's a pretty desperate bluff, because it's not going to work forever.

Check out this interview, with an author of a study Microsoft had been quoting a couple of years ago.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1729908,00.asp

The study shows that when it comes to software, open-source varieties face fewer patent threats than proprietary ones, Ravicher said. "If one believes the proof is in the pudding, open-source software has much less to worry about from patents than proprietary software."

"Consider this—not a single open-source software program has ever been sued for patent infringement, much less been found to infringe. On the contrary, proprietary software, like Windows, is sued and found guilty of patent infringement quite frequently."

Bluffing, bluffing, bluffing.:rolleyes:

geek.arnuld

06-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Hey, the last guy who tried to sue Linux for Royalties was also named Darl McBride! What a weird co-incidence!

=:-0

Does anybody agree with me that if Microsoft starts litigating over patents, they're going to start something they don't want to finish? I mean, they are SO vulnerable here! Aren't they? They not only would have to prove that they registered the patent, they're going to have to prove they originated the idea, and that's just not always the case.

Did they invent the GUI? Nope. The administrative user? Don't think so. They start losing these cases, it's going to make them look like... losers.

the question is not who will win or loose. such cases last long...too long and i fear Free Software advocates do not have any money to struggle in the court for that long

They're bluffing, bluffing, bluffing, and it's a pretty desperate bluff, because it's not going to work forever.

but it works with US government (or with INDIAN government). US software-patent office has given the highest number of software patents.

Bluffing, bluffing, bluffing.:rolleyes:

that is true ;-)

i can talk about it as long as i can but i think i will stop doing that, i will start and focus on doing the real-work now :-)

blackbelt_jones

06-13-2007, 02:47 PM

But how is "taking over" going to do anything other than force them into a more desperate g*****.

If Microsoft starts suing people for patent infringement, they're going to start getting sued, and they're as vulnerable as anyone. Have you seen the video where an explanation of Vista's desktop features is accompanied by video of the Mac desktop?

Worst case scenario is that business customers have to pay a royalty to microsoft. It'll be inconvenient, but it won't be as much as Windows, and it'll still be better software... and once that happens, the spooky talk of litigation will be done with forever, and Linux will no longer have that "illegitimate" cachet that they've been workign to cultivate... and that's the WORST case scenario!

geek.arnuld

06-13-2007, 02:56 PM

Women love men who use the command line.

Well, they should.

that is very funny..... WHY....... 'coz i believe so ;-)

next, i think i need to check your power tool and see what you found better in it as compared to my favourite BASH :-)

boxxertrumps

06-13-2007, 08:15 PM

blackbelt_jones

06-13-2007, 09:21 PM

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=15755

Here's a thread from another forum with a lot of information about zsh, including some valuble links.

But how is "taking over" going to do anything other than force them into a more desperate g*****.

I can't remember what "g*****" originally was, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't dirty.

blackbelt_jones

06-14-2007, 02:34 PM

In this case, i beleive that the opensource community should press MS with it's ideas and patents...
(We invented the desktop cube/glassy effects, dammit! That alone is worth many monies for the open source communities.)
If we ended up winning, we could ask for a small percent of money donated to the projects for every copy of MS sold...
Which would help adoption rates, as we might be able to advertise on TV and stuff about linux.
Maybe use some of the Mac commercial spoofs...

Forget it. Too many of us are against patents to get the community behind this kind of litgation, assuming that it would be successful. The Free Software Foundation would NEVER get behind that.

I'm telling you, what we're doing is exactly what needs to be done.