Cant re-establish connection

[Skitzy]

Can someone please help? I have installed 10.1 on several machines now and I've had no trouble until I tried to install it on one with Xp(dual boot). I have tried re-installing several times and I've skimmed half a dozen post and I'm just having no luck w/ this one. During installation connection failed and updates and patches were bypassed, so I tried again... this time the patches and updates went through properly. I get to gnome desktop and I get my updates there as well.... I even added a few firefox plugins... and did some random browsing... So everything is fine, until the next boot... After rebooting I lost my connection... and don' know what to do from here.. Please God, I dont want to do another reinstall.... any help is appreciated I know Im a newb and all... but I love the forums

[je_fro]

If I were you I'd ensure that you're using DHCP to get the ip address for that interface, and that it's configured to come up at boot. The fact that it's a dual boot means nothing. (IMO)
I hear that Yast is the tool to effect such a change.

[Skitzy]

Thanks for the speedy reply, I'll see what I can do.. I was in yast earlier and had no luck but its quite possible I overlooked something.

[frimann]

I had a similar problem with suse 10.1 at first, seems to have been fixed with a update.

All i did was open terminal become root and tipe "ifconfig" to see whats going on, then "ifup eth0" and "dhcpcd eth0"

"dhcpcd eth0" alone should be enough to get conected. hopefully

[je_fro]

Yeah, I heard 10.1 was a buggy POS too...

[Skitzy]

I had this trouble with Fedora Core earlier as well on that particular machine... it is a 2006 AMD Sempron. On my older machines I have not had any trouble what-so-ever. I am new to Linux so I'm sure its something I'm failing to do properly.

je_fro,
When I go into yast I go to Network Services- then to-DHCP Server correct?
(when I did that it required disc four and its trapped in an older machine so I had to reburn)but I'm heading back now to see what I can or cant do.

frimann,
I tried to go into terminal but I must be doing something wrong: "command not found"

I want to thank you all for taking the time you have w/ this newb...

[je_fro]

No, you don't want to run a DHCP server...you want to have your interface automatically configured using the DHCP client.
Are you connecting to a router that's running DHCP or what?

[frimann]

"command not found" thats becouse your not root just type "su" and then your root password and then the commands

[cybertron]

Yeah, I heard 10.1 was a buggy POS too...
I'd have to agree with that after the installer's partitioning tool borked two existing Windows installs on work machines.

/thread hijack.

[Skitzy]

Well I wasnt sure, I didnt think I was doing it correct. I am connected through a router, linksys (should have bought a d-link) I just want set it up to connect to the internet I dont really need to set-up networking because I dont really do alot of filesharing but I think its set-up for networking (when I did the first install I chose not to set up networking and I let it do its thing, autoconfig, whatever you call it but I had no connection) so I reinstalled making it networked thinking that may help, it did not as far my internet connection goes but it did allow for online updates with the second install, which it did not the first installation, so it seems to be closer than before.

je_fro
How do I auto-config the interface?

frimann
Like this? (only with my actual password)
su/rootpassword/ifconfig
or like this?
su <root password> ifconfig

[frimann]

su enter
it asks for password give it and enter
and your in terminal with full "admin" rights
tipe the commands and they will work.

[Skitzy]

lol.. I feel stupid... ok heres what I got got

lo Link encap: Local Loopback
inet addr:127.xxxxx Mask 255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 scope:Host
UP Loopback Running MTV:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:300 errors: dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:300 errors: dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
collisions:0 txqueue len:0
RX bytes:22094 (21.5kb) TX bytes:22094 (21.5)

I get the message : "NW manager will be advised to set up eth0 but it cannot be assured from here

Then I get the pop-up: "Connection Established" but when I try to open my browser it says: "offline mode" from there I enable online mode and then I get the screen from firefox that lets me know it cannot connect (reach server)

[frimann]

try "ifup eth0"

[Skitzy]

tried th@ again.. just get the same message: "Network Manager will be advised to set up eth0 but it cannot be assured from here"

then I get the pop-up again. same story... I guess I'll try another install and shoot from there...

[Skitzy]

this may help


eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:CA:AE:50:79
inet addr:169.xxxxxx Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0
inet6 addr: fe80::240:caff:feae:5079/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:4081 (3.9 Kb) TX bytes:0 (0.0 cool.gif
Interrupt:225 Base address:0x6000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:15776 (15.4 Kb) TX bytes:15776 (15.4 Kb)

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface
link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

[je_fro]

I thought you had a linksys router? If DHCP is enabled on your router you should have a private IP address (192.168.x.y). It looks like it's telling you what to do: "Network Manager will be advised to set up eth0 but it cannot be assured from here"
Find the NM program...it's gotta be in the GUI menu somewhere....

[Skitzy]

I do have a Linksys router, why do I have it set-up wrong?
I tried another reinstall and during installation I cannot connect because DHCP client is already running on eth0, whatever that means, and what is the NM program? Im gonna go see if I can find it in the GUI menu... thank you again

[je_fro]

I suspect that you could not connect because the DHCP server in your Linksys router isn't turned on.

[Skitzy]

Login Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP

but still no connection... Im completely lost... I cant believe its this difficult to get the pc online... jeez

[Skitzy]

filtering multicast wouldnt have anything to do with it would it? That may be a stupid question, but I'm running out of ideas. What I think I'm gonna do is just take screenshots of what I'm seeing and blogging it so that you can see what I'm seeing... bad idea or no?

[je_fro]

Good idea...also might wanna patch that 10.1 or roll back to 10.0. That's what most people have done...

[Skitzy]

Ok, heres the blog... I tried to take pictures of everything if you need any other information let me know... I wont sleep till I figure this out http://helpmysuse.blogspot.com/

[je_fro]

Okay, so it looks like you have an IP. You should also have the IP's of your ISP's DNS nameservers in the file /etc/resolv.conf. What's in that file? If there's nothing, call your ISP and ask them the IP's of their DNS servers. Or you can try mine, but I'm not sure if it'll work for you...

je_fro@speedy ~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 24.93.41.125
nameserver 24.93.41.126

[Skitzy]

oh wow, your still up too? great! let me check,

[je_fro]

No rest for the wicked :D

[Skitzy]

wonderful, elevator music to start the day off... on the phone w/ them now... wont hurt to go ahead and get that just in case

[Skitzy]

She tried to say they dont support Linux but how can that be if I already have linux up and running on two other pc's and they have a connection.. anyways she said to go into dos and enter ipconfig/all....

ok well there it is now I put this where again? and yes theres two of them

[je_fro]

just copy my example above...you'll need to edit /etc/resolv.conf with a text editor, as root. just su and launch something like "gedit /etc/resolv.conf"
Then:

nameserver 24.93.41.125
nameserver 24.93.41.126

[je_fro]

oh yeah...I tell tech support that I'm using linux and they oughtta support it, then tell them to read from the Mac script...

[Skitzy]

Now I'm real confused

[je_fro]

open a terminal and do:
su
<password>
gedit /etc/resolv.conf

then save and exit...firefox oughtta work if that's the problem...

[Skitzy]

How do I edit /etc/resolv.conf with a text editor? I have never felt so stupid, you must be growing impatient w/ me... I'm very sorry. And if I type "su" is that not considered root? I know I have to enter root password. I cant fix it by just typing this "gedit /etc/resolv.conf" right? Please explain

[Skitzy]

oh I see. Rebooting now thank you...... I'll let you know what happens.

[je_fro]

Okay, is there an option for a "root" text editor or "root" filesystem browser? Something you have to enter your password for? Perhaps that would be easier...
Anyway, you'll need root privileges to edit that file, and by launching "gedit /etc/resolf.conf" as root (gedit is like a fancy Notepad) you'll have the permissions you need. It might throw an error when you try to launch a GUI app as root...if it does, ctrl-d to get back to "regular user" and do "xhost +localhost" and then su to root again and retry...is that clear?

[je_fro]

Bah! :D So was there anything in resolv.conf? And you don't have to reboot anymore...that's a windows thing. Only time you have to reboot now is after a kernel upgrade.

[Skitzy]

Well I'm having to reboot out of windows to get to SuSE, the other pc's are in other rooms, otherwise I'd just look off one and troubleshoot the other. As far as gedit /etc/resolv.conf I get this message(gedit :3984): GLib-GObject-Warning **:value"134896816" of type gint' is invalid or out of range for property `sort-type' of type `gint

Generated By Network Manager, Do Not Edit!

[je_fro]

ahh...well there have got to be 100 ways to edit that file....as for me I gotta go pass out for a couple of hours. you better get this solved before I wake up :D
you can always use something simple like nano or pico...try:
nano -w /etc/resolv.conf
make your changes and ctrl-o to save them, ctrl-x to exit. the net should "just work" after that...(if that was the problem)

[Skitzy]

alright man, I appreciate all the help really... I'll go check this out and if it dont work zzz... zzz... zzz... I think Ill fall down 2

[cybertron]

It sounds like it's also trying to tell you not to edit that file by hand. Yast has a Host name and Name server button for each network interface that you should probably use to alter your DNS servers. It should still work if you edit it directly, but you'll keep your distro happier if you don't.

[Skitzy]

Ill give it a shot, but I do want to give an update on my status... I tried two other distros since my last post (Fedora Core and Xandros) and with all three I have the same problem but only from this pc. It's a new pc, I cant help but wonder if that has anything to do w/ it. My next guess is the router (Linksys p.o.s.) Whatever the cause it seems odd that various distros would all have the same problem, thats why I'm second guessing peripherials, hardware and what not.

*Determining IP Info for eth0 Failed

[Skitzy]

I talked with tech support for my router and I have everything I need to set up manually... gave it a shot... and failed... Nothing seems to work no matter how hard I try... I do want to thank you guys for all your help... Just unlucky I guess.... Oh well I have "The Linux Bible" 2006 now.... guess Ill go set down and read some more... I preffered a little hands on learning, but it seems the only way thats possible is to use one of those crusty old machines I was telling you about. If anyone knows a good partition manager I can aquire for the low, low price of *Free* so I can delete this partition that would be great... Its like having the keys to a wrecked porche.


Heres an idea... lets eliminate the possibilty of it being the router, or confirm thats what it is... One more install.. only w/ a direct connection this time.. bypassing the router :confused:

[Skitzy]

It must just be in the settings because I cannot connect via the modem either. Looks like you guys have given up on me...

[je_fro]

haha...nahh, I never give up! So what are you trying now? You tried setting your IP manually? Can you try bringing one of the other machines in and see if they'll connect? Are you sure you have a "straight through" cable and not a crossover cable? Is the windows partition setup to acquire its IP via DHCP? If so, what is it? It should be something like 192.168.x.y.

[Skitzy]

haha, welcome back je_fro, yes I have one of the others connected now.... forgive me if this goes against forum rules or anything (dont know proper forum etiquette as far as linux forums)but heres what I've been trying to work out @ suse, but there all asleep... http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=20495
that might give you a lil heads up as to what all I've tried in the past few... I've contacted Lynksys and they have given me a nice array of numbers to toy with... getting the default gateway now...

[Skitzy]

ok heres I have found something different... but I was scared to go too far into yast on the working pc in fear that it may save changes and leave that one w/o connection.... its set-up w/ ifup instead

[je_fro]

Cool...from the looks of things, MAKE SURE the DHCP server built into your router is ACTIVATED. I don't think it is because of the ip you're getting. You should be getting (I'm 99.9% sure) a 192.168.x.y address from your router.

[Skitzy]

ifup is not working for that pc... Im logged on the secondary now... I added the default gateway... and as far as the ip your right... it is a 192 w/ a subnet mask of the obvious 255 linksys gave me several plus she gave me 2 dns...not real sure what to do w/ them

[Skitzy]

yeah i just checked its enabled... sorry had to eat some breakfast I'm back now

[je_fro]

the dns ip's go in /etc/resolv.conf like I showed you above...

[Skitzy]

BASH:/etc/resolv.conf:Permission denied

[Skitzy]

I think dns must be whats wrong, when I right click on the network connection and pull up its information both DNS fields are 0.0.0.0. everything else looks like you said it should

[je_fro]

BASH:/etc/resolv.conf:Permission denied

Dude...open /etc/resolv.conf with a text editor and add the IP's like I showed above. You'll have to do it as root. Someone over at suse suggested konsole or kwite..use those!!!

[Skitzy]

like this right? ~ $ /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 24.158.96.130 nameserver 24.158.96.131

typed just like that...... right? I'm sorry I have to be so redundant

[Skitzy]

keep these in there or no? ~ $
and do I need to actually name the server? or do I just type in "nameserver"

[Skitzy]

@ best all i can get is "Generated by Network Manager - Do Not Edit!"
and thats typing it in everyway under the sun ______---in the konsole signed in as root

[Skitzy]

~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
cat /etc/resolv.conf
and
/etc/resolv.conf

[je_fro]

heh...okay, you got a konsole as root...do:

nano -w /etc/resolv.conf

now you're in a text editor, add the lines:

nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
nameserver yy.yy.yy.yy

with the IP's filled in with your DSN servers IP's.

ctrl-o to save the changes,
ctrl-x to exit.

open firefox and it should work.

[Skitzy]

heres what happens when i do that http://helpmysuse.blogspot.com/ and thats in konsole... cant find kwite

[je_fro]

there's supposed to be a space between nano -w and /etc/resolv.conf

while you're in linux do this:

man cat
man resolv.conf
man nano
man ls
man man

[Skitzy]

you were right about the spacing..... now im in nano 1.3.10
file /etc/resolv.conf modified


/etc/resolv.conf nameserver 24.158.96.130 nameserver 24.158.96.131



read 6 lines

^G get help ^O write out ^R read file ^Y prev page ^K cut text ^C cur pos
^X exit ^J justify ^W where is ^V next page ^U uncut text ^T to spell


what do i do from here?

[je_fro]

It's supposed to look like this:

nameserver 24.158.96.130
nameserver 24.158.96.131

and resolv.conf is only the name of the file, those words should not appear inside the file...

[Skitzy]

i hit ctrl O now my options are: get help, cancel, to files, dos format, mac format, append, prepend, bach up file wasnt sure what to do... i know what its not.... it definetly wont be mac, get help, or cancel

[je_fro]

ctrl-o
<ENTER> (to save it as /etc/resolv.conf)
ctrl-x

[Skitzy]

Getting another screen shot ready.... something is not quite right but were close...

[Skitzy]

sorry that took so long i'm running out of cd's... I dont know yet how to leave session open on the burner in linux and its been closing every cd i burn..... so resorted to the ole' canon... anyways.. bad news... when i rebooted it went back to saying do not edit bull****..... youll see http://helpmysuse.blogspot.com/

[je_fro]

that's because it's configured to use DHCP, but I don't think it's enabled in your router...

[cybertron]

Hmm, interesting. Seems that Suse won't even let you edit that. I think you're going to have add them through Yast. When I get to work and have my Suse box handy I'll give you the exact options you need to click on to get to the name servers section (It's somewhere under Network Devices -> Network Cards -> Edit with the appropriate card selected).

Edit: nm, if you're configured for DHCP that's why.

[Skitzy]

DHCP Active IP table has it on there... at least the windows side of the hard disc... will i need to set up the linux side separatly


Internet


Configuration Type
Login Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP

[je_fro]

Aha!
Found this:
http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=169.254.191.77
which led me here...
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3330.html

Either your DHCP client (on your computer) or your DHCP server (on your router) is not active.

[Skitzy]

well i can tell you this much... they both have two operating systems... and both computers have two names... the name i gave them... and of course the name linux gave them.... when i look at my routers config page and i go to dhcp clients table..... i see this computer(the secondary that has had no problems) listed by its linux name.... but as for the other pc... its listed by the name i gave it in windows.... i dont know if that tells you much..... just thought since im actively in linux on both machines @ the moment wouldnt it make sense that they both be listed by there linux name?

[Skitzy]

i didnt change the client host name on either... you dont think that might be confusing the router do you? if two computers have the same client host name? i dont know just a guess.... example : linux-oek9

[Skitzy]

pinged the other pc for the hell of it......... ping statistics ---
packets transmitted = 5 , packets received = 0 packet loss = 100%

[Skitzy]

just wanted to say it did assign a different name to the computer im having the trouble from and i do not see that name on my routers list..... so what do i do from here?

[Skitzy]

ok heres where I stand now.... I have set up the both computers exactly the same thru yast... every last detail is identical... (ifup method) but still yet I only have the one connecting... now when i go into konsole on the one that is not connecting and I log in as root, "ifup etho" is getting this response.... starting DHCP client daemon on eth0........ no ip address yet..... backgrounding

[Skitzy]

ok now i have it all set up manually (static) with all the proper numbers in all the right places.. and when i right click on network connection its all correct... but it still doesnt want to connect....

[je_fro]

I don't know dude....I'm stumped. One computer will and the other one won't? There _has_ to be some difference between them...

[Skitzy]

The live dvd doesnt access the web either.... I deleted everything today including windows (it was time to clean house) and now I have a fresh start... but I am giving up on this lil issue... I hate to and I never give up but I'm tired of banging my head... lol but I came here to ask you, (and I've never heared of such a thing and I doubt its possible) but do you think zonealarms maybe has an ethernet lock or something that is preventing me from accessing the web when the computer is not in windows? I know it has ingoing and outgoing firewalls... hell it think half the **** I installed is mal-ware anyway... just an idea.. seems without windows running that wouldnt be possible but I figured I would ask.

[je_fro]

I don't think zonealarm could possibly alter your hardware like that...

[je_fro]

P.S...when you finally figure it out, you'll have the "DOH!!!!" of a lifetime! :D

[Skitzy]

I didnt think so either... but I wasnt sure... I understand your a very busy person but this is someone solving a similar problem.... about the only thing I can guess @ this point

http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=20455

too bad I dont have any extra cards

[Skitzy]

P.S...when you finally figure it out, you'll have the "DOH!!!!" of a lifetime! :D

you know it!

[Skitzy]

This is off the subject, but what distro would you suggest?

[je_fro]

I use gentoo, but you need to be very comfortable with the command line and reading documentation for that to work for ya....
Ubuntu seems to be the n00b-distro-du-jour...perhaps you should give that a try?

[cybertron]

I don't recall whether this was an integrated network card and I'm not going to read through the entire thread again to find out (:)), but if it's a card you might try it in a different PCI slot. If not, there might be something in the BIOS to tell it which IRQ to use. I had problems similar to this the second time I installed Gentoo and it turned out to be a conflict between my USB and network, but it was caused by a kernel bug in a much older kernel so I don't know if that would be your problem here.

I guess you could try booting with the nousb kernel parameter just to try it out.

[Skitzy]

just tell me if I'm on the right track.... I have a NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller....
read this: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/NVIDIA-nForce-ing-Controller-problems-ftopict117698.html
found this:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Driver_Installation_for_NVIDIA_nForce_Chipsets

[Skitzy]

want to emphasize: his problem is different (tomhardware) but altogether the same really if you read on down...

[Skitzy]

seems no one supports that network card.... I've been checking a few different distro's... guess it would be easier to find a different card after all..

[cybertron]

seems no one supports that network card.... I've been checking a few different distro's... guess it would be easier to find a different card after all..
Yeah, and they can be bought cheap these days. Although it's odd that an integrated nForce network card would be a problem. I've used two onboard ones on my motherboards and they both worked just fine.