Time, by jupitermedia

[XiaoKJ]

Ok, I was checking out my options settings, when, at the end, I noticed the time on the forums are off by more than 1 hour. I went to check, and indeed, justlinux.com is faster than GMT by almost 1 hour. 55minutes to be exact.

I think you are on London time, for DST will show that london time is only 5 minutes off.

Well, so much for a bored person... noticing time...

[hard candy]

For some reason, it has always been unable to adjust for DST, so you have to adjust your offset from GMT whenever DST takes effect.

[Icarus]

yup, "Daylight Savings Time" isn't honored by anyone else then the 48 States or so that use it. It's really an antiquiated thing that should be abolished, if you want to get more 'daylight hours' during the winter...wake up sooner :p

[Parcival]

if you want to get more 'daylight hours' during the winter...wake up sooner :p

That's wrong, DST's purpose is to get more daylight hours in summer. ;)

[Icarus]

which makes even less sense because during the summer there ARE more hours of sunlight...I've always thought the whole system was messed up :p

[XiaoKJ]

Is the server set on GMT? is there a way to set the time to synchronise with the standard times?

Or, why not just check the settings? I was thinking clocks should not be a problem... esp in linux...

[Parcival]

which makes even less sense because during the summer there ARE more hours of sunlight...

Sorry dear, but it does make sense, because without DST we would still lay in bed while the sun is shining outside (even with DST it already does at 6:00 a.m. when every normal human being is still in bed). Furthermore, without DST we would BBQ in the dark an hour earlier in the evening, which isn't quite as nice. I'm sorry, but in my eyes DST is just wonderful. :)

[Icarus]

i like BBQing in the dark, makes it a suprise for everyone! :)

I think we should all just set our clocks to GMT everywhere add obliterate time zones altogether, time zones are so 1900s :p
sure would make planning meetings easier across country/world...

[XiaoKJ]

I agree. Although DST/timezones will help when people are making schedules (standard lunch times... anyone?), it makes less sense in the globalised century, where people from all over the world wants to congregate and work together. They will appreciate a standardised time

[Parcival]

time zones are so 1900s :p

Welcome to the new millenium, buddy, the Swiss have solved the problem in the last one already. ;) Guckst Du hier: Swatch Internet Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time)

Swatch also sells watches that show the local time and the internet time. Internet time was really handy for me when I was living in the US and made appointments to chat with people back in Switzerland. :)

[XiaoKJ]

Really, any idea why the time is wrong?

[Parcival]

Well, I assume it depends on what time the server is set and if it is using a timeserver to adjust its time.

[JPnyc]

Should be correct now, but be aware that your userCP contains DST time setting feature which can be turned on or off, if the time is off by an hr, for you.

[quip]

Sorry dear, but it does make sense, because without DST we would still lay in bed while the sun is shining outside (even with DST it already does at 6:00 a.m. when every normal human being is still in bed). Furthermore, without DST we would BBQ in the dark an hour earlier in the evening, which isn't quite as nice. I'm sorry, but in my eyes DST is just wonderful. :)

Not _quite_ right... ;)

The number of hours with sunlight does not change--just the way we measure it, and thusly, our schedules.

However, DST absolutely does NOT make the sun rise earlier in the morning as you claim; in fact, if we stayed on Standard time, we would have more daylight hours in the morning. Anyone who regularly gets up around dawn has observed this--one week in the spring, you are leaving for work in the light; the next, the dark. This "phenomenon" doesn't last long, however, since the day is also lengthening as we get closer to June 21, the day with the most sunlight all year (for the Northern Hemisphere). The whole day is shifted forward, not lengthened. The argument for more daylight after work is valid, though.

I would really like to know why the whole thing was started. I always hear that it was for our previously agrarian society, but that seems idiotic to me, since farmers sure don't care what time it is when they get up--they are going to get up when work can be done, whether it is 4 AM or 10 AM. The rooster sure doesn't have a clock!

Like mentioned, I wish it would be done away with.

[Parcival]

However, DST absolutely does NOT make the sun rise earlier in the morning as you claim;

because without DST we would still lay in bed while the sun is shining outside

I am not saying what you claim I'm saying. ;) As a matter of fact our views are compatible. I simply say that sun light in the early morning hours is a waste since most people are still in bed while it is nice to have that extra piece of sunlight in the evening when you fire up the BBQ and take the beer out of the fridge. :)

[JPnyc]

The issue is school children leaving in the dark, for school. At least that's what i'm always told when i speak out against DST. Personally I hate it, but it ain't goin' away.

[quip]

Parcival: Ahhh...I couldn't quite believe it when I read it, but you never know.

Thanks for reaffirming my confidence in 'ya! :D

[Parcival]

The issue is school children leaving in the dark, for school.

Twilight starts about at 05:30 in the morning, so I guess that's still enough time to go to school at 07:00. ;) And I don't know how much more profit I would get if the sun rose at 4:30 already. :)

[JPnyc]

Well as a kid (quite some time ago now) I remember waiting at the bus stop in the dark here in NY. I don't know about there, but I know that here, preventing that was 1 of the biggest arguments for DST. But then I don't have kids so I can't really experience their concern.

[cybertron]

I unfortunately happen to know that here it is still pitch black at 7AM in the middle of winter. Give it another hour and the sun will be up, but naturally I didn't have another hour.:(

Of course I'm not sure whether DST helps that or makes it worse, but I did not like it. I had heard that the original reason for DST was that it supposedly gave people more daylight at night which cut down on their use of electricity since when it was light out people were less likely to have lights on. No idea whether that makes sense though.

[JPnyc]

Yeah you're correct, the argument that I remember them making, makes no sense at all. If darkness in the am were the issue, DST would make that WORSE, not better. So I guess my memory must be faulty on this.

[bwkaz]

DST is only in effect in the summer, not the winter. Any morning-time argument having to do with school is therefore invalid, because school isn't in session while DST is in effect. (Well, it is for short times in the early fall and late spring -- and during those times, it does make the mornings darker, because the sunlight is shifted to later in the day. But most of the school year isn't affected by DST.) Your memory may not be faulty, though -- whoever told you that may have just had a really bad justification for DST (one that, as you say, makes no sense).

I had also heard the reason for DST was what cybertron said -- though it may have originally been "use less gas" instead of "use less electricity". Either way, though.

[JPnyc]

Well DST goes into effect (at least here) a few weeks before the school yr ends.