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stu.overungar
05-16-2006, 02:51 PM
Hi, I wish I had this linux distro to give to people I know, who have a computer that isn't running well anymore.

The live CD's are perfect for this. It needs to have the best winmodem support possible. I am using Xandros, and Xandros installed the modem driver all by itself. It did ask me if I wanted to use the winmodem, and that's all I had answer. (I don't think it's a good idea to ask, however, since I believe that forty percent of the normal home users would be afraid to answer it, and the rest would only get the answer right half of the time.) Most, almost all, computers have a winmodem, and most of the people that I know have dialup, and they need this to be able to get onto the inernet.

Another thing it needs is to have printer support. That's another thing that's used by everybody. Linux seems to know which printer I use, but it takes some configuration sometimes. For most people, that would make it hard to use. I've also had the printer just work. So the computer needs to recognize it and do the driver thing by itself. As far as "DPI" or "portrait," most people don't ever want to use that, so just get the printer to print and don't give them any choices. Later, some people might want to do something like that, but most wouldn't.

Java is needed by some people for stock or poker sites, so it needs that in the browser. Digital cameras are another thing people like to use with their computer.

I think that anything else could be downloaded via RPM, deb, mo, YAST, pupfile, etc., etc. That leaves room on the disk for the modem and printer stuff. The Linux gurus, and semi-gurus, wouldn't care for this distro, probably, but it could be used for millions of computers that died from Windows. There would be no need to worry about having the correct kernel, as long as you could make it clear that they can download things in .deb .mo,.dotpup, or something similar. As long as it's real easy. The Pup distro makes it very easy, I think. Most people will never upgrade their OS.

And they will never want to edit a system file. And the GUI must come up first, because they will not want to use the command line, because they never heard of it, and it's too intimidating. I've had problems figuring out how to log in as a user, or as root. You'd need the GUI to make this crystal clear.

I have friends and relatives who replace their four, five year old computer all the time for just that reason, because it's bogged down and running slowly, or something stopped working. They're afraid to reinstall Windows to give it a fresh start, even though it costs them $500. Of course, they do get a new computer and printer, so it's not a complete waste. But, then, two years later, they are in the same shape again, having problems. I believe that they would be happy with the old one if it worked.

If it's possible to make this distro, I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that within a year or so, it would be in a million homes. And, I think people would be willing to buy it and buy support for it. When my wife buys a van, she looks for the most reliable one she can find, and then spends a thousand dollars on the service package anyway. It's a waste to me, but people want sometheng that works. I think I know five people right now who would use it. Their computer isn't working right, so within a year or so, some of them will buy a new one.

These are just some thoughts, and I would sure like to be able to hand someone this disk.

rocketpcguy
05-16-2006, 04:33 PM
most people don't ever want to use that, so just get the printer to print and don't give them any choices.

bad, bad, bad idea

Another thing it needs is to have printer support.

you're right, but you're suggesting it to the wrong side. its the printer manufacturers who need to support linux, not the other way round. same thing with winmodems.
sun java support is touchy because the licence is non-gpl compatible.

this post would sound like a flame if i dont say something good, so i will. it probably will be taken up by a lot of people maybe. what didnt you like about xandros? what would you like to be added?

and read this fully, its exactly appropriate:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

Icarus
05-16-2006, 04:48 PM
Possible, but will be flamed in 10 seconds flat because there is non-GPL mixed with GPL in it. See this for current example
http://kororaa.org/comments.php?y=06&m=05&entry=entry060512-160752

They only have the nvidia and ati drivers in the disk which will load on boot, and some RMS type person is threatening them because "It's violating the GPL"

Personally it's a great idea and I encourage a LiveCD with these features, but there are still too many of these that cry blasphamy if the impure non-open code comes in contact with their cleansed GPL

je_fro
05-16-2006, 04:59 PM
Why bother with the Dream Distro? Just scoop up all these computers on the cheap and build yourself a cluster :D

hard candy
05-16-2006, 05:10 PM
From reading through the comment on the Kororaa site, I think what happened was he had the the ATI and NVIDIA driver precompiled against the kernel. And I think what other distros do, is have the driver dynamically compile as it boots up the computer. So strictly speaking, it was a distributed kernel with non-GPL code included.
I think Mepis, as an example, contains the binaries for Nvidia and ATI in a separate directory, the live cd checks the video card ID, and then calls for one of the drivers to compile while booting. Let me know if I am not understanding this correctly.

thaddaeus
05-17-2006, 01:33 PM
Linux will get bogged down to with id10t users as well. Its innevitable that a user just thinks that becaue they forgot about a file (like the mail they left on the table) It magically dissappears.

You would need to implement a perfect file structure, document clean up software, a RESET program to reset the sytem to a "like new" state. Pretty much develop some form of AI(we'll call it the mother) who cleans up after the users :)

stu.overungar
05-18-2006, 04:40 AM
Thanks for the responses. I appreciate it. I'm not in the same company you people are. I have been using Linux for a couple of years, and have yet to successfully install a tar.gz. I'm just a home user who fools around with the computer files some, which is more than ninety percent of the home users do.

I'm satisfied using Xandros. The printer works, Firefox does the Java thing for me in Xandros. I can use a Java stock chart and play poker on a Java site. You guys may be talking about a more complicated version than I am, I don't know. I can see my digital camera pictures on the computer and burn them to a CD.

I think that Linux could be an OS for everyone, not just people who learn to use it. I use it without problems. No updating for viruses, firewall, etc. No reinstalls. That's why I like it. People who use this computer don't complain that they're not in Windows. We just use the simple stuff.

I think that with the LiveCD, I could hand it to my 73 year old aunt, and her computer would work again. That's what I want. I could never talk her into reinstalling Windows or installing Xandros.

So, what I want is a Linux LiveCD that just has modem drivers, printer drivers, digital camera drivers, and Firefox on it. No text editors, no Emacs, no remote desktop sharing. These can all be downloaded by someone interested in them.

I sure don't know about the legalities of these things. It seems like the framework is there for it to work on a lot of computers, not all, I suppose. Different modems, etc. I have no idea if this is feasible. If somebody wanted to do the work on it, well, I guess it would take a while. What can I say? I'm just repeating myself.........I'm done.