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APwrs
01-05-2006, 10:20 PM
For all the good that Ubuntu is, they really dropped the ball with their 64-bit version, especially when it comes to 32-bit application support. Other distros have worked out 32-bit application compatibility much better, so that things “just work”. Ubuntu is not one of them.

Some distros solve this problem by placing their 32-bit libraries in “/usr/lib” and their 64-bit libraries in “/usr/lib64”. This way, regular 32-bit programs will look for their libs in the regular place, and they'll just work. Most 64-bit programs (all that I've encountered) are set to look in “/usr/lib64”, so those just work too.

However, Ubuntu has this backwards. Ubuntu uses “/usr/lib32” for 32-bit and “/usr/lib” for 64-bit. If you download a 32-bit application off the Internet and try to use it, like Firefox for instance, it won't work because it will be looking for its libraries in “/usr/lib”. The same goes for OpenOffice.org.

Other distros keep their 32-bit libraries in the location that the downloaded programs expect to find them, so they work. They keep their 64-bit libraries in the location that 64-bit programs expect to find them, so those work too. In Ubuntu, you have to set up a chroot environment, or jump through some other hoops, in order to get 32-bit programs to work. And even at that, some of those programs may not work very well.

The way Ubuntu handles 32-bit compatibility is just nonsense. Other distros do it much better.

I'm fine with recommending 32-bit Ubuntu, but until Ubuntu learns from others, I simply cannot recommend Ubuntu 64.

nikodell
01-06-2006, 12:55 AM
I would have to agree about the 64 bit problem i tried and it was a pain in the you know what. I was able to get all working but it was such a pain i have just stuck with SuSE which is rock solid.

je_fro
01-06-2006, 12:57 AM
In my humble opinion :D Gentoo is the only decent 64bit distro at the moment.
But things are changing rapidly across the board.

APwrs
01-06-2006, 03:57 AM
Why do you say that Gentoo is the only decent 64-bit distro? I've never used Gentoo before, so I'm not sure what it's like :).

saikee
01-06-2006, 04:39 AM
Now let me see.

When I installed over 100 systems in the box I tried the following versions of Gentoo RR64

2.60.4, 2.63, 2.65, 3.0 and 3.0 b0

None of them could be installed. I tried the installer and the long way to build up the stages too but the handbook wasn't up to date. I even tried to run the installer overnight and used one devoted disk for its installation. There was no error meesage the installer said it was installing but nothing come out! To be fair to it I tried 2 PCs with 64-bit CPU.

If it were designed as a Mark 2 of Linux from Scratch may be it should drop its installer.

je_fro
01-06-2006, 04:52 AM
What installer? I think you're a little confused siakee. There's no stable installer I've ever seen, though there is something in the works, but it's far from ready.....
I say that gentoo has one of the best 64bit distros because their kernel team does a great job with gentoo-sources, and portage will have you up and running without manually tracking down the hundreds of dependencies and emul-libs required to build a workable system. If you're running a 64bit box, chances are you've got a lot of ram and the build won't take too long. For x86, one distro is about like the next, but for other architectures (sparc, alpha, mips, amd64) gentoo really shines.
*ANYWAY, so I don't sound like another 1337 gentoo fanboy ricer, I'm out.

Good Luck

PenguinOfWonder
01-06-2006, 12:53 PM
If I could get Gentoo to boot, I might be apt to agree with je_fro

saikee
01-06-2006, 01:40 PM
What installer? I think you're a little confused siakee. There's no stable installer I've ever seen, though there is something in the works, but it's far from ready.....

There is a graphic installer in every distribution release mentioned in Post #5. If it doesn't work in the majority cases then the Gentoo people should not display it in the desktop.

I am judging it against some 60 other installed Linux and none of them give the installation problem of this magnitude.