linuxbrain
12-13-2005, 12:08 AM
Has anyone heard anything about linux on a new XBOX 360??
Don't think this was the right spot for this post. Sorry
Don't think this was the right spot for this post. Sorry
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LNXchd
12-13-2005, 02:30 AM
It was done with the first xboxes, I am sure it will be done with the 360.
http://www.free60.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.free60.org/wiki/Main_Page
AaronD
12-13-2005, 05:10 AM
I swear I read somewhere that Microsoft took steps to make Linux installations impossible or at least very difficult on the 360. I wish I could remember where I read that.
LNXchd
12-13-2005, 06:03 AM
I swear I read somewhere that Microsoft took steps to make Linux installations impossible or at least very difficult on the 360.
After reading a little on the before mentioned wiki, it doesn't sound like it is going to be easy at all. Lots of "stuff" thats well beyond me that is going to be quite a hassle. I am sure there is a 15 yr old kid down in their basement ripping one apart as I post this. :cool:
After reading a little on the before mentioned wiki, it doesn't sound like it is going to be easy at all. Lots of "stuff" thats well beyond me that is going to be quite a hassle. I am sure there is a 15 yr old kid down in their basement ripping one apart as I post this. :cool:
JayMan8081
12-13-2005, 10:37 AM
According to this (http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/12/13/139223.shtml?tid=211&tid=222&tid=137) at least the filesystem has been decoded. Maybe now the next couple of steps can begin to be taken to put custom content onto the 360.
mrrangerman43
12-13-2005, 01:22 PM
Hi
First let me start by saying I'm not trying to start anything, but what I would like to do is learn.
1. What would it profit the linux community by putting linux on the xbox 360 is it just to show microsoft it can be done?
2. Wouldn't it be more constructive to put that effort into programs like wine or ones similar so that more game can be played on linux?
I would just like to know is all.
Dan
First let me start by saying I'm not trying to start anything, but what I would like to do is learn.
1. What would it profit the linux community by putting linux on the xbox 360 is it just to show microsoft it can be done?
2. Wouldn't it be more constructive to put that effort into programs like wine or ones similar so that more game can be played on linux?
I would just like to know is all.
Dan
JayMan8081
12-13-2005, 02:18 PM
Some of the motivation is just to see what hardware people can get Linux to run on. I would also imagine another part would be the cost. For $400 you probably couldn't get a tri-core processor machine with all the other specs of the 360, so if you could load Linux onto it you could simply use it as a normal PC.
dkeav
12-13-2005, 02:27 PM
i dont game, but if linux could be run on a xbox 360 i would buy one and use it for video encoding, the idea is it has the power of a $1000 machine that you would blow all your money on to get a few more frames in your video game, but its cheap
if you can harness that power for something more constructive than just a time waster for your boring life, then its worth something to more than just gamers
if you can harness that power for something more constructive than just a time waster for your boring life, then its worth something to more than just gamers
AaronD
12-13-2005, 04:06 PM
1. What would it profit the linux community by putting linux on the xbox 360 is it just to show microsoft it can be done?
Because it's there. :)
I guarantee the same question will be posted once the PS3 is released.
2. Wouldn't it be more constructive to put that effort into programs like wine or ones similar so that more game can be played on linux?
Sure, but I think the Linux community is robust enough to work on both.
Because it's there. :)
I guarantee the same question will be posted once the PS3 is released.
2. Wouldn't it be more constructive to put that effort into programs like wine or ones similar so that more game can be played on linux?
Sure, but I think the Linux community is robust enough to work on both.
LNXchd
12-13-2005, 04:45 PM
Hi
First let me start by saying I'm not trying to start anything, but what I would like to do is learn.
1. What would it profit the linux community by putting linux on the xbox 360 is it just to show microsoft it can be done?Dan
Have you ever done anything just because you can? If I could figure out a way to put linux on the 360 and make it hang my xmas lights for me, and make me toast in the morning I would; just because I can :rolleyes: . It's the "geekiness" factor. That's just my opinion, though. When I first discovered Linux could run on the xbox, I thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. If you look at it from the cheap but not cheap enough for me to run out and buy one yet PC perspective, I agree with dkeav and JayMan8081 the hardware is decent enough to run as a PC and small enough it doesn't take up too much realestate and for some people the price is right. From the a*hole perspective I think of it as a slap in the face to the big head in Redmond to run a competitor's O/S on the impenetrable Xbox. I suppose as long as sales keep rolling in, the big head isn't going to loose much sleep over it. Again that's my own opinion. :p
First let me start by saying I'm not trying to start anything, but what I would like to do is learn.
1. What would it profit the linux community by putting linux on the xbox 360 is it just to show microsoft it can be done?Dan
Have you ever done anything just because you can? If I could figure out a way to put linux on the 360 and make it hang my xmas lights for me, and make me toast in the morning I would; just because I can :rolleyes: . It's the "geekiness" factor. That's just my opinion, though. When I first discovered Linux could run on the xbox, I thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. If you look at it from the cheap but not cheap enough for me to run out and buy one yet PC perspective, I agree with dkeav and JayMan8081 the hardware is decent enough to run as a PC and small enough it doesn't take up too much realestate and for some people the price is right. From the a*hole perspective I think of it as a slap in the face to the big head in Redmond to run a competitor's O/S on the impenetrable Xbox. I suppose as long as sales keep rolling in, the big head isn't going to loose much sleep over it. Again that's my own opinion. :p
cybertron
12-13-2005, 05:01 PM
That and MS loses money on each XBox 360 sale but makes it back on games. So if you just by a 360 and no games then you're screwing them out of their profit. The "because I can" argument is more compelling to me though.:)
I wonder how support for things like the secret ATI video card will work though.
I wonder how support for things like the secret ATI video card will work though.
JayMan8081
12-13-2005, 05:43 PM
Yeah I think it would be interesting to go through and look at how all the hardware is supported once someone gets Linux up and running. I forgot about the fact that MS loses money on the console and tries to make it back through the games. So if you really don't like MS that would be one powerful motivation. ;)
mrrangerman43
12-13-2005, 07:31 PM
Thanks all,
Like I said, I'm not trying to start anything I never thought of using a xbox as a pc, although I knew at its heart that is what it is. Boy do I have a lot to learn :rolleyes:
Dan
Like I said, I'm not trying to start anything I never thought of using a xbox as a pc, although I knew at its heart that is what it is. Boy do I have a lot to learn :rolleyes:
Dan
linuxbrain
12-13-2005, 09:23 PM
Now I am not a big fan of X-BOX but ... IF we can port linux to it I would probibly think of getting one just cause it would be cool to have a set top Linux box like that.
LNXchd
12-13-2005, 09:48 PM
Like I said, I'm not trying to start anything I never thought of using a xbox as a pc, although I knew at its heart that is what it is.
Yep, that's basically all it is. With some extras of course. :p
XBox Specs (http://news.com.com/Xbox+specs+revealed/2100-1043_3-5705372.html)
Yep, that's basically all it is. With some extras of course. :p
XBox Specs (http://news.com.com/Xbox+specs+revealed/2100-1043_3-5705372.html)
JayMan8081
12-14-2005, 12:37 AM
Yeah it would be a powerful set-top box if it could be fully unlocked and a version of Linux installed on it. Plus there would just be the geek factor of having your media center PC be an X-Box 360 running Linux instead of an MS OS. :)
linuxbrain
12-14-2005, 08:18 PM
It says in the specs for the xbox 360 that it runs on a power pc processor... does that mean you could run like OSX or something or a PPC version a *nix??
Thanks all
Thanks all
dkeav
12-14-2005, 08:27 PM
not unless OSX is developed for the CELL processor arch, which the xbox 360 is "based" off of, but modified
so no, OSX would never run on it
so no, OSX would never run on it
cybertron
12-14-2005, 09:42 PM
Hmm, I don't think the 360 is based on the Cell. Pretty sure that's the PS3. The 360 and Revolution are both modified Power architectures.
I'm guessing that a PPC version of Linux is what they would be looking to run on it, but I could be wrong. There's almost certainly some proprietary BS going on too so it probably wouldn't run anything without modification.
I'm guessing that a PPC version of Linux is what they would be looking to run on it, but I could be wrong. There's almost certainly some proprietary BS going on too so it probably wouldn't run anything without modification.
JayMan8081
12-14-2005, 10:51 PM
Yeah I would imagine a mod-chip of some kind would be required as it is required for the original X-Box to be able to run Linux. I think you are right cybertron, the PS3 is Cell based but I think 360 is simply PowerPC based proc created by IBM. I would think it might take a while before someone figures out all of the modifications to make to get linux up and running. Some of the hardware support, such as 3D acceleration, could be worked on after a console based linux install was functional.
dkeav
12-14-2005, 11:06 PM
heh what exactly do you think the CELL arch is?
AaronD
12-15-2005, 03:35 AM
does that mean you could run like OSX
It takes more than a PPC processor to run OSX. OSX has to see Apple's firmware in order to boot. The same will be true for Apple's Intel-based hardware.
MOL can boot OSX, but without 3D acceleration so most of the cool toys are disabled.
It takes more than a PPC processor to run OSX. OSX has to see Apple's firmware in order to boot. The same will be true for Apple's Intel-based hardware.
MOL can boot OSX, but without 3D acceleration so most of the cool toys are disabled.
JayMan8081
12-15-2005, 09:28 AM
It takes more than a PPC processor to run OSX. OSX has to see Apple's firmware in order to boot. The same will be true for Apple's Intel-based hardware.
MOL can boot OSX, but without 3D acceleration so most of the cool toys are disabled.
But it's not like that protection mechanism hasn't been cracked before. Example: the current developer builds of OS X for x86. Almost every release has been cracked so that it can run on more than Mac branded Intel hardware.
MOL can boot OSX, but without 3D acceleration so most of the cool toys are disabled.
But it's not like that protection mechanism hasn't been cracked before. Example: the current developer builds of OS X for x86. Almost every release has been cracked so that it can run on more than Mac branded Intel hardware.
cybertron
12-15-2005, 11:07 AM
heh what exactly do you think the CELL arch is?
Cell is based on Power, but Cell != Power. Cell is still a new architecture. A single chip has something like 7 cores on it, and I've seen speculation that it can do graphics like a discrete graphics chip. Apparently Sony even considered not putting a separate graphics card in the PS3 (although the fact that they did anyway is perhaps telling as far as what the Cell is realistically capable of). The XBox 360 basically has 3 PowerPC cores strapped to a single chip. I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than that, but in essence that's all it is.
What I want to know is how IBM is providing Microsoft with these 3.2 Ghz tri-core chips for $106 a piece. That's less than low-end single core Athlon 64's. No wonder
Cell is based on Power, but Cell != Power. Cell is still a new architecture. A single chip has something like 7 cores on it, and I've seen speculation that it can do graphics like a discrete graphics chip. Apparently Sony even considered not putting a separate graphics card in the PS3 (although the fact that they did anyway is perhaps telling as far as what the Cell is realistically capable of). The XBox 360 basically has 3 PowerPC cores strapped to a single chip. I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than that, but in essence that's all it is.
What I want to know is how IBM is providing Microsoft with these 3.2 Ghz tri-core chips for $106 a piece. That's less than low-end single core Athlon 64's. No wonder
thaddaeus
12-15-2005, 11:20 AM
You don't need a mod chip on the Xbox to run Linux, Just Calm Hands and A Thin Line of Soldier...I give it 1 year before we have a fully working modchip, 2 years for a software hack and 3 years for the price drop, so I won't be thinking about one of these babies for about 3-4 years. But when I get it, man o man will it look nice to my other modded xbox, It runs Gentoox and Dynabolic, depending on what I feel like that day. Also if anyone is looking for a modchip for a current Xbox they want linux on, check out consolesource.com, they have many hdd and chip packages to choose from.
What I want to know is how IBM is providing Microsoft with these 3.2 Ghz tri-core chips for $106 a piece. That's less than low-end single core Athlon 64's. No wonder
Easy, MS told them it was Intel or IBM and the massive numbers they'd need let them know its a good idea, Also think about it, the only effort/money needs to go into the first chip after that you just rinse and repeat...
What I want to know is how IBM is providing Microsoft with these 3.2 Ghz tri-core chips for $106 a piece. That's less than low-end single core Athlon 64's. No wonder
Easy, MS told them it was Intel or IBM and the massive numbers they'd need let them know its a good idea, Also think about it, the only effort/money needs to go into the first chip after that you just rinse and repeat...
Bizza
12-16-2005, 05:51 AM
What I want to know is how IBM is providing Microsoft with these 3.2 Ghz tri-core chips for $106 a piece. That's less than low-end single core Athlon 64's. No wonder
It's because they are making a loss on the console, it was either on the register or slashdot that they actually worked out the cost to produce and it's a fair bit over the selling price. However, Microsoft are looking to get their foot in the door before Sony.
Personally i'm aghast that they are bringing another console out so soon, xbox and PS2 still rock it hard, I was playing resident evil 4 the other day and it was super slick, halo is still one of the best games ever made, so why make a new console only a couple of years after their realease? They are just trying to outdo each other, which is a shame because the consumer ends up paying for new consoles which are only slightly better than the last rather than groundbreaking or revolutionary technology.
That's my opinion, bearing in mind taht the only console I own (that still works) is a megadrive.
Peace
It's because they are making a loss on the console, it was either on the register or slashdot that they actually worked out the cost to produce and it's a fair bit over the selling price. However, Microsoft are looking to get their foot in the door before Sony.
Personally i'm aghast that they are bringing another console out so soon, xbox and PS2 still rock it hard, I was playing resident evil 4 the other day and it was super slick, halo is still one of the best games ever made, so why make a new console only a couple of years after their realease? They are just trying to outdo each other, which is a shame because the consumer ends up paying for new consoles which are only slightly better than the last rather than groundbreaking or revolutionary technology.
That's my opinion, bearing in mind taht the only console I own (that still works) is a megadrive.
Peace
StarKnight83
12-16-2005, 03:28 PM
waiting for the p3 to come out for the same reason (hopefully sony supports linux on the p3 like they do the p2) caues that would be some serious processing power sometihng that would be sweet to run distcc on
JayMan8081
12-16-2005, 03:52 PM
Yeah that would be pretty cool. Most of the new consoles coming out would probably be pretty cool to run Linux on.
Rinias
12-17-2005, 08:46 AM
Cell Arch
The cell arch is indeed 7 (useable) cores in one proc. In fact it's 8, IIRC, but the eigth cannot be used for the computer. It is stated as having graphics capablilities, though I am not sure if they have gotten that far with it yet. One of the more interested things about the cell is that it can do distributed processing, i.e. it can send information to be processed somewhere else in the system or even on someone else's system via ethernet, so that processing is done more quickly and not only in the processor. I am guessing that it is similar to distributed computing but probably at least slightly more complicated...
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%28microprocessor%29
Now, I remember reading about the distributed part, but I can't find where it is... Might just be wrong... As for the PS3, look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
The cell arch is indeed 7 (useable) cores in one proc. In fact it's 8, IIRC, but the eigth cannot be used for the computer. It is stated as having graphics capablilities, though I am not sure if they have gotten that far with it yet. One of the more interested things about the cell is that it can do distributed processing, i.e. it can send information to be processed somewhere else in the system or even on someone else's system via ethernet, so that processing is done more quickly and not only in the processor. I am guessing that it is similar to distributed computing but probably at least slightly more complicated...
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%28microprocessor%29
Now, I remember reading about the distributed part, but I can't find where it is... Might just be wrong... As for the PS3, look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
Parcival
12-17-2005, 10:40 AM
That's my opinion, bearing in mind taht the only console I own (that still works) is a megadrive.
Good old times... I own a PlayStation, back from the time when my buddy said "Have you seen WipeOut, it has real 3D graphics!" That's why I would buy a Playstation again so I can play my old games.
As a matter of fact, buying a new console seems like a good idea. I used to change my desktop computer every four years because it couldn't keep up with the software. Now that I'm running Linux on my P4/1.6 GHz everything feels as fast as it always did so I don't feel at all like undergoing a major upgrade there. Plus I was told that the PS/2 has cool games for working out. I'll probably have to buy a PS2 right before the PS3 appears on the scene and then buy all good PS2 games cheaply. :D
Good old times... I own a PlayStation, back from the time when my buddy said "Have you seen WipeOut, it has real 3D graphics!" That's why I would buy a Playstation again so I can play my old games.
As a matter of fact, buying a new console seems like a good idea. I used to change my desktop computer every four years because it couldn't keep up with the software. Now that I'm running Linux on my P4/1.6 GHz everything feels as fast as it always did so I don't feel at all like undergoing a major upgrade there. Plus I was told that the PS/2 has cool games for working out. I'll probably have to buy a PS2 right before the PS3 appears on the scene and then buy all good PS2 games cheaply. :D
AaronD
12-17-2005, 05:43 PM
I'll probably have to buy a PS2 right before the PS3 appears on the scene and then buy all good PS2 games cheaply.
If you like Sci-Fi and RPG's get Xenosaga. It is so good that I was having anime dreams when I played it the first time. :)
The new GTAs are great as well as Final Fantasy, but I never see any talk of Xenosaga.
If you like Sci-Fi and RPG's get Xenosaga. It is so good that I was having anime dreams when I played it the first time. :)
The new GTAs are great as well as Final Fantasy, but I never see any talk of Xenosaga.
pezplaya
12-18-2005, 12:21 AM
Plus I was told that the PS/2 has cool games for working out.
As in Dance Dance Revolution(DDR)?
As in Dance Dance Revolution(DDR)?
Parcival
12-18-2005, 07:49 AM
As in Dance Dance Revolution(DDR)?
I don't know what game specifically, but my ex bought a dance game with a play mat (I think) for her current boyfriend (well, now he's her ex, too) and then used it herself to work out with it. ;)
I don't know what game specifically, but my ex bought a dance game with a play mat (I think) for her current boyfriend (well, now he's her ex, too) and then used it herself to work out with it. ;)
thaddaeus
12-19-2005, 09:42 PM
Sounds like DDR, the most annoying game (because I suck at it) ever.
DarkDexter
12-20-2005, 04:04 AM
Don't make fun of DDR :( !!!
I have a Debian comp in my living room hooked up to the Svideo on my TV and my surround sound so i can play Stepmania! :) Geeks can work out too!
http://www.stepmania.com/stepmania/ ~Check it out!
By playing I've lost 75lbs and won a few tournaments! Linux: Ultimate Weight Loss Tool. :D
I have a Debian comp in my living room hooked up to the Svideo on my TV and my surround sound so i can play Stepmania! :) Geeks can work out too!
http://www.stepmania.com/stepmania/ ~Check it out!
By playing I've lost 75lbs and won a few tournaments! Linux: Ultimate Weight Loss Tool. :D
Lucas_Maximus
12-26-2005, 02:18 PM
It's because they are making a loss on the console, it was either on the register or slashdot that they actually worked out the cost to produce and it's a fair bit over the selling price. However, Microsoft are looking to get their foot in the door before Sony.
Personally i'm aghast that they are bringing another console out so soon, xbox and PS2 still rock it hard, I was playing resident evil 4 the other day and it was super slick, halo is still one of the best games ever made, so why make a new console only a couple of years after their realease? They are just trying to outdo each other, which is a shame because the consumer ends up paying for new consoles which are only slightly better than the last rather than groundbreaking or revolutionary technology.
That's my opinion, bearing in mind taht the only console I own (that still works) is a megadrive.
Peace
xbox and ps2 are about 4-5 years old now.
Personally i'm aghast that they are bringing another console out so soon, xbox and PS2 still rock it hard, I was playing resident evil 4 the other day and it was super slick, halo is still one of the best games ever made, so why make a new console only a couple of years after their realease? They are just trying to outdo each other, which is a shame because the consumer ends up paying for new consoles which are only slightly better than the last rather than groundbreaking or revolutionary technology.
That's my opinion, bearing in mind taht the only console I own (that still works) is a megadrive.
Peace
xbox and ps2 are about 4-5 years old now.
thaddaeus
12-27-2005, 03:25 AM
No offense to any ps2-ers but that console is the absolute worst...I really don't find any improvements over the new model...Never will either, even my friend swho have them wish they'd bought an xbox instead (one word: HALO). We'll see if Sony can bring out somthing that competes with even just the xbox let alone the xbox360.
I have a Debian comp in my living room hooked up to the Svideo on my TV and my surround sound so i can play Stepmania! Geeks can work out too!
http://www.stepmania.com/stepmania/ ~Check it out!
By playing I've lost 75lbs and won a few tournaments! Linux: Ultimate Weight Loss Tool.
I'll have to check that out so I can get in shape and beat my cusion (Wrestler vs. the Swimmer, swimmers been winning :( )
I have a Debian comp in my living room hooked up to the Svideo on my TV and my surround sound so i can play Stepmania! Geeks can work out too!
http://www.stepmania.com/stepmania/ ~Check it out!
By playing I've lost 75lbs and won a few tournaments! Linux: Ultimate Weight Loss Tool.
I'll have to check that out so I can get in shape and beat my cusion (Wrestler vs. the Swimmer, swimmers been winning :( )
Lucas_Maximus
12-27-2005, 10:52 AM
Well mate, most people I know happen to think the complete opposite.
Then again mate I am a dying breed of old school gamer who used to play street fighter in arcades or maybe some house of the dead. Personally there hasn't been one game on the xbox or the xbox360 that has made me want to buy either.
It is called a difference in opinion.
Then again mate I am a dying breed of old school gamer who used to play street fighter in arcades or maybe some house of the dead. Personally there hasn't been one game on the xbox or the xbox360 that has made me want to buy either.
It is called a difference in opinion.
MorphiusFaydal
12-27-2005, 01:49 PM
Doesn't anyone find it odd that the xbox 360 is supposed to do high definition output... but it doesn't contain a high-definition optical drive? shouldn't they have put an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive in?
thaddeus; I'm guessing you play FPS and racing games a lot. :) That's what the largest chunk of the xbox game library appears to be. :)
Personally, I just got a PS2 yesterday, and I like it. But i play a lot of RPG-type games, so PS2 works out better for me that way.
It all comes down to what kind of games you want to play. :)
(big dig at microsoft: halo sucks. the original half-life had a much better story and gameplay. halo doesn't even look good for a 2001 game. but why are you playing an FPS on a console anyway? its a terrible platform for it. PC gaming forever!)
thaddeus; I'm guessing you play FPS and racing games a lot. :) That's what the largest chunk of the xbox game library appears to be. :)
Personally, I just got a PS2 yesterday, and I like it. But i play a lot of RPG-type games, so PS2 works out better for me that way.
It all comes down to what kind of games you want to play. :)
(big dig at microsoft: halo sucks. the original half-life had a much better story and gameplay. halo doesn't even look good for a 2001 game. but why are you playing an FPS on a console anyway? its a terrible platform for it. PC gaming forever!)
thaddaeus
12-27-2005, 06:52 PM
I actually bought the xbox to mod it and run linux initially, then everyone I knew started playing halo. I use to play playstation rpg's before the xbox. I am also a old school gamer but my nes and snes are both dead...There are defantly better fps's for pc as well, but I prefer playing on a big screen tv than a 21inch monitor.
Doesn't anyone find it odd that the xbox 360 is supposed to do high definition output... but it doesn't contain a high-definition optical drive? shouldn't they have put an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive in?
Both are still being developed, that and a standard hasn't been layed out, we don't want a vhs/beta thing going. Also if anything you'll see a HD-DVD, Blu-Ray isn't backed by MS, rather by Sony. I will say its all about preference I am slowly dislikeing sony, yeah I know MS isn't too much better, but at least its an American company. :)
I think we've strayed from the main topic...
Doesn't anyone find it odd that the xbox 360 is supposed to do high definition output... but it doesn't contain a high-definition optical drive? shouldn't they have put an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive in?
Both are still being developed, that and a standard hasn't been layed out, we don't want a vhs/beta thing going. Also if anything you'll see a HD-DVD, Blu-Ray isn't backed by MS, rather by Sony. I will say its all about preference I am slowly dislikeing sony, yeah I know MS isn't too much better, but at least its an American company. :)
I think we've strayed from the main topic...
AaronD
12-27-2005, 10:04 PM
I have not looked at this thread in a few days.....why does it smell like napalm in here????
Lucas_Maximus
12-28-2005, 12:19 AM
I actually bought the xbox to mod it and run linux initially, then everyone I knew started playing halo. I use to play playstation rpg's before the xbox. I am also a old school gamer but my nes and snes are both dead...There are defantly better fps's for pc as well, but I prefer playing on a big screen tv than a 21inch monitor.
Both are still being developed, that and a standard hasn't been layed out, we don't want a vhs/beta thing going. Also if anything you'll see a HD-DVD, Blu-Ray isn't backed by MS, rather by Sony. I will say its all about preference I am slowly dislikeing sony, yeah I know MS isn't too much better, but at least its an American company. :)
I think we've strayed from the main topic...
I remember you straying from the topic.
Both are still being developed, that and a standard hasn't been layed out, we don't want a vhs/beta thing going. Also if anything you'll see a HD-DVD, Blu-Ray isn't backed by MS, rather by Sony. I will say its all about preference I am slowly dislikeing sony, yeah I know MS isn't too much better, but at least its an American company. :)
I think we've strayed from the main topic...
I remember you straying from the topic.
paj12
12-28-2005, 12:26 AM
Doesn't anyone find it odd that the xbox 360 is supposed to do high definition output... but it doesn't contain a high-definition optical drive? shouldn't they have put an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive in?
Why do you find that odd? My computer can play Quake 3 at higher than HD resolutions and yet the files only occupy a few hundred megabytes on my hard drive. I dare say 9 or so GB is not that big a limitation for a game. It goes without saying, however, that the 360 is not a platform for HD movies.
Why do you find that odd? My computer can play Quake 3 at higher than HD resolutions and yet the files only occupy a few hundred megabytes on my hard drive. I dare say 9 or so GB is not that big a limitation for a game. It goes without saying, however, that the 360 is not a platform for HD movies.
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