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Sepero
06-12-2004, 03:11 PM
Q: What are the advantages of hosting your site on a Macintosh Server?
A:

Security
The Macintosh platform is more secure than any other platform. In test after test, hackers have been specifically employed to crack into a Macintosh server; they have met with no success. Further, the very file system that Macintosh uses prevents a hacker from cracking the tree structure at all. Without that rather important piece of information, it is impossible for the hacker to get into the system and even begin to do damage. For example, in an effort to increase security, the US Army has switched from Windows NT to a Mac server

http://www.hostsearch.com/q_mac.asp#Mac1
http://www.hostsearch.com/q_and_a.asp

Sepero
07-05-2004, 06:46 PM
Linux users speechless? That's a first. :D

GigaShadow
07-05-2004, 07:27 PM
Sepero: While I cannot (and will not) comment on the overall vulnerabilty of the Mac OS, I can say that of all the boxes that my staff supports the five Mac boxes my Users have.....have their share of difficulties. More specifically, compared to a Windoz box my experience is that the Mac boxes get roughly the same amount of viri, trojans, etc....even though Apple seems to put out "patches" every three weeks or so. We keep the boxes up to date....maintain the firewall...etc.....regardless, if the Users fail to exhibit a normal amount of safety when surfing/reading mail then we have found that Mac is really no more "safe" than any other OS.



G :)

JohnT
07-05-2004, 07:36 PM
Lets not forget what OSX is loosely based upon:D

canon006
07-05-2004, 07:46 PM
Neat, I guess the filesystem (as mentioned above, I assume they mean HFS/HFS+) coupled with the Darwin kernel results in a pretty solid system but is that because they're both very secure, or because few crackers have seen or dealt with them before? I use OS X almost daily, you can tell they gave security more than a passing thought; easy encryption of your entire home directory, default install has very few open ports, services are pretty easy to turn on and off, it's a nice OS for desktop use and I imagine that the server tools Apple includes with the server versions make it easy to secure. I have to add though, the best summation of computer security today that I've heard is "any computer is only as secure as its users". In my personal experiences I'd say Mac OS X is on par with Linux as far as security goes.

j79zlr
07-05-2004, 08:17 PM
http://secunia.com/product/96/

every OS has security issues. Most exploits have to do with administrators not the OS itself. I personally find Mac users interesting, their ridiculous loyalty and smug attitude like they know something that others don't. I just wonder how the world would react if Bill Gates started making windows only run on PC's built and sold by Microsoft....

endoalpha
07-05-2004, 09:30 PM
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/07/05/1530253.shtml?tid=126&tid=172

OSX is just as insecure as any other OS.
"The myth that Mac OS X is secure, for example, has been exposed."


and what is this poop? from http://www.hostsearch.com/q_mac.asp#Mac1

URL Case insensitivity
In most web environments, your URL is case sensitive. In other words, if your URL reads www.yourcompay.com/Document.html and a user types in www.yourcompany.com/document.html the web server will return a File Not Found error. A Macintosh disregards the capital "D" and serves the page as intended.

wow......... please dont get your information from a web hosting site.

fatTrav
07-05-2004, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by JohnT
Lets not forget what OSX is loosely based upon:D

could it be...FreeBSD? :D

Though, OpenBSD might be one of the more secure OSes since security is like one of their core agendas.

SunOfTux
07-05-2004, 11:58 PM
It's late and I don't know exactly where you are coming from, but ...

Here is an interesting article. http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=1798

Peace,
SunOfTux

saturn-vk
07-06-2004, 05:07 AM
wait, I thought netbsd was the MOST Secure OS ever.

roamingnomad
07-06-2004, 06:37 PM
Nah, *I* am the most secure web server.

The other day, I found a little cobweb in the corner. I put my finger on it. By putting their fingers on it, other people could access my web and thus some of the information contained within me. Nobody besides administrators (that would be my parents) could install a trojan or gain access to information not intended for them.

:p :p :p

btw, I was using the v/o-p, the vocal/oral-protocal.

j79zlr
07-06-2004, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by saturn-vk
wait, I thought netbsd was the MOST Secure OS ever.

OpenBSD is the OS that claims to be the most secure default install, NetBSD's gimmick is to just run on everything AFAIK.

fatTrav
07-06-2004, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by j79zlr
OpenBSD is the OS that claims to be the most secure default install, NetBSD's gimmick is to just run on everything AFAIK.

"yes, that is correct" at least when it comes to those projects's goals. OpenBSD is security oriented, NetBSD wants to run on everything and FreeBSD wants to provide software w/o any strings attached, i.e. free.

Loki3
07-06-2004, 09:45 PM
I'd believe those guys if they offered a more detailed explaination other than Mac OS X's magic filesystem of hacker-preventing goodness. The most secure operating system is without a doubt Lokix. It's a open source *nix based solution including the awe inspiring security feature called NPC. No power cable.

:D

Uh. Right.

Saptech
07-07-2004, 03:44 AM
The most secure OS is the one that runs on any hardware, can be any OS and simple to maintain.

It's not plugged in, no internet access. Need a key to even turn the power on. And the key is in a safe deposit box.

:D

DMR
07-07-2004, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Saptech
The most secure OS is the one that runs on any hardware, can be any OS and simple to maintain.

It's not plugged in, no internet access. Need a key to even turn the power on. And the key is in a safe deposit box.

:D
And the machine on which the OS is installed is buried 75 feet underground in a 12-foot thick concrete bunker with no doors.

:D

JohnT
07-07-2004, 07:26 AM
The most secure is the one still on the cd. :D

XiaoKJ
07-07-2004, 11:48 AM
I agree with JohnT (first in history! :D)

but I think I get the impression that openbsd is best. however, with SElinux and debian stable and the likes, linux may snatch the laurels. :D

BTW, IMHO considering that Macs and Win boxes are more common than *nix ones, they would be targeted more and they cannot help it -- once a thing gets big, its holes surface.

Oh -- Macs are now on unix but they are very loosely constructed on them, so its not a true *nix