Linux: Why even bother? (merged love/hate relationship)

[RodNICE]

Well actually I guess I know a portion of my own answer.
I would use Linux to be able to have full control over my
OS if I desired to tweak it. Since I'm broke/cheap, I think
it's pretty cost effective in terms of licenses and the software
itself. To me, it's just more logical and, after all, isn't that
what a computer system should be?

Then again is my reality. No matter how hard I tried, I
was never able to get RedHat (7? 8?) installed on my
PC and have it be able to print without running to Windows
to complete the task. Took me hours just to figure out
how to install a program, eventhough I did end up the wiser
for it. Every day I hear that the big dogs are going to
kill Linux with this-lawsuit or that-lawsuit and thus end
the career of the promising open-source solution. No
future; why bother?

Then there's the recurring nightmare of the scene from
Pirates of Silicon Valley where 2 of the forefathers of
computing argue over why one will beat the other in
the long-run. Bill Gates acceded to the fact that he
may not have the best software; but that he would
win anyways. He's been right so far.

So why do any of you bother?

[rbrimhall]

Because I want to

[keyshawn]

/semi-flame/rant

- When did you use Red Hat 7/8 ?
Older versions are going to have more bugs, and less likely to conform to newer hardware.
Using the newest edition - Fedora, would be a better choice.
- As for the lawsuits, it's FUD - Fear, uncertainity, doubt.
SCO has been unable to prove in the court of the law to justify their claims. [Please correct me if I'm wrong]
- Not everything you do is going to work the first time. If linux taught me anything besides computers, it taught me, a teenager of the ADD and 2-sec attention span generation, some patience.....
With full control of your operating system, comes responsibility.
- Linux, as an entity, is not owned/controlled by anyone. Thus its future is in the hands of the users [not too many users realize that either].

/end rant
[mods close this before it comes a flame fest]

[ev8r]

<shamelessquote>

Free your mind.....

</shamelessquote>

[Icarus]

Why do you bother posting flamebait? This should be an "Ask Slashdot" question, yet I'm going to let this go for a few minutes to see who takes the troll...

1) No one can 'kill' Linux. It's distributed and has no central place to attack. If SCO wins (*snicker*) they will rewrite it without the offending code.

2) If MS happens to FUD Linux out of the media, there are millions of people that will still use and developed it.

3) MS is doing well because they were able to market it, and did a VERY good job. Apple is better then MS, but MS has captured the market share...for now. Are you old enough to remember when IBM was the master of all PCs?
I remember when my friends dad got an "IBM Clone PC" (Tandy). It's an ongoing battle that will never end

4) Your problems installing are vague and undisruptive. "It don't work, so it sucks" is a lame answer for anything. You may of had bad luck but millions of others are quite successful with their installs...maybe the problem is not Linux?

Flame on...but not for long, I guarantee

[Dark Ninja]

Why bother? Here's my list of reasons why I bother.

1. Linux is free. Yes. I am not a rich man by any stretch of the imagination. Plus, I have no reason to spend $300 on a new OS when it is released.

2. Linux is open source. I love the idea of an open community. Although I am, by no means, an excellent programmer, I do like the idea of being able to look at source code and figure out what's going on with my favorite programs.

3. Community. The Linux community (justlinux.com) is excellent. I am able to go anywhere, and, assuming I've put the legwork in, if I can't figure something out, there is always someone who is willing to help.

4. Powerful & Fast. I am fascinated by computers and how they work. But, I run some slightly older hardware. Linux is perfect for this type of system. My computer bogs on Windows XP/2000. It comes to a screeching halt if I'm doing more than one thing. So, I throw on Linux and I'm flying. I love that. Plus, of course, the ability to configure/tweak/control my system is a wonderful and beautiful thing.


Of course, there are MANY more reasons. Some people use Linux out of pure loathing for MS (which I don't really have -- MS is good for some things).

One thing that does bother me though -- you said Bill would "always win." How do you figure? That only happens if everybody else gives up. I don't see Linux going anywhere but up anytime soon. Microsoft *should* be worried about the Linux drive. Microsoft *should* be sitting up and taking notice of open source. Should Microsoft go away? Heck no -- I like having them around. Competition is always a good thing. It keeps the corporate world churning. But, if things can be leveled out a bit, I'd be happy.

Again -- Linux is a powerful and awesome tool. Honestly, I'm not sure why you are having problems setting it up. Have you ever tried to stop and really think about what you were doing wrong? Have you ever searched Google? Have you posted to this board? If you haven't done all those things, then I'd say you have no reason to ask the questions that you do. If you have, then, I'm sorry that Linux isn't working for you. Just like Windows or OSX -- Linux is not made for everybody.

[end rant]

[darth_tradd]

This is a linux support site. We all do know our reasons to make an extra effort to get Linux running as smooth as silk. So, why even bother posting our reasons to do it? We bother because we want to.

[BaVinic]

"Why Bother?"

As a former RI'er let me just say
Hey Goomba' Why not? freakin A?

:)
BaVinic

[squeegy]

<Mother & Father> Because

<Child> But Why?

<Mother & Father> Because we can.

<Child> But Why?

<Mother & Father> BECAUSE!!! JUST BECAUSE!

Didn't you go through this routine with your parents as a child?

[AndrewLubinus89]

1 word: entertainment.
Everthing might not work right it might take hours of configuration to get 1 simple thing working but it makes computing a whole lot more interesting :D

[blackhawk714]

very nice squeegy! lol :p :D ;)

[Dark Ninja]

Everthing might not work right it might take hours of configuration to get 1 simple thing working but it makes computing a whole lot more interesting

Amen! I love how I have to work hard to get things to work. Actually, using/tweaking Linux is probably the computer equivalent of tuning an old car. Sure, you could get the new car with the computer controlled [INSERT ANYTHING A CAR DOES NOW-A-DAYS] but it does not beat the satisfaction of spending hours tuning a car to turn the key and hear it roar to life.

:D

[JohnT]

I like to see all the pretty white letters scroll by at boot.....can't get that with XP....he,he.:D

[BaVinic]

Originally posted by JohnT
I like to see all the pretty white letters scroll by at boot.....can't get that with XP....he,he.:D

Actually, you can, but if you do, it is not a good thing :D

BaVinic

[hard candy]

"To dream the impossible dream,
and install the impossible kernel,
to fight the unbeatable foe,
and convert the coporation to linux,
to bear with unbearable sorrow,
read and watch the SCO battle.
To run where the brave dare not run,
on Macintosh, Solaris, Aix, and x64.
To right the unrightable wrong,
and prove all those Microsoft studies wrong.
to love pure and chaste from afar,
Hey, let's leave that line out.
to try when your arms are too weary,
and code those last 500 lines.
to reach the unreachable star,
And pass windows on the desktop in 2010".
(Sung to the tune of "the Impossible Dream)

That's why I use Linux, because I can't make up dumb songs about Microsoft, I tried but they didn't sound right.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by BaVinic
Actually, you can, but if you do, it is not a good thing :D

BaVinic Blue and white....NO....Black and white...YES:D

[bwkaz]

This is most definitely not a Which Distro question, so off we go to /dev/random...

[dynaco]

wow, what a question to ask on justlinux,

i got started with linux with RH4.1, i installed it on an NEC versa50 laptop, it did not like it at first, but i did not get pissed off with linux, i became intrigued with it...
after massive amounts of reading i realized that i was personally responsible with my own linux destiny.
and i was able to make my little versa 50 run linux.
I was suddenly in love with linux, it was the answer to all my computing dreams. (unfortunately my versa50 has since taken a dirt nap....)

I have been kinda a Red Hat type of guy, running 5, 6 6.2 ,7 7.3, 8 , 9 and now Fedora Core1.

Throughout the years linux has taught me more about computing than a doze box could ever do.

and yes, i have a home network with 2 nix boxes, a doze98 box, doze95 laptop, and an old dozeWFW3.11
386(just because it still runs and sometimes its kinda fun to surf with WFW), I also have a working DEC pdp\8a, but i just cannot get it online...anyone out there with some ideas???


Okay now I must admit that my father retired from Bell Telephone Labs (remember those guys???), as an MTS, he worked at Murry Hill, New Jersey, and Indian Hill in Naperville, Illinois, so i have always had Unix in my life, little did I know the impact that it would have on me.

Long live linux, long live free thought, thank God for Bell Labs (creator of Unix)

just my 2 cents....

[bosox79]

I use linux becuse I can & want to like others have said using this OS makes computing fun:D I am enjoying the learning processoes and tweaking my system I have had gentoo installed for about a week now & I am just starting to do things with my system do to the fact that I have been learning so much about my system & the tools that this distro offers. i still do'nt have sound yet along with a host of other small issues, but that is ok becuse I find configuring my system fun. using linux is one of my favorite hobbies. and I love the fact that I have choice and I can setup my system they way I want it to work rather then letting some comapny dictate how it should work or tell me that I need to upgrade to run there latest and greatest ;) and most of all I love being a part of the linux community:cool:

just my .02

P.S. sorry for any spelling errors I am still installing OO:)

[GigaShadow]

I do not believe that there is really much that I could add to what has already been said regarding Linux and why folks use it. There is, however, one "fact" that may or may not be evident to you... .....Linux is supported by a community of Users from all over the world who take the time to try and help out others, their own time, no cost to you, and they keep trying.....even in the face of an obvious Troll.





G :cool:

[psi42]

Might as well feed the trolls.... :)


If it really took you 3 hours to figure out how to install a program, you need to rethink your mental priorities and get the eggs out of the bottom of the stack.

It didn't take me 3 hours, it took me < 20 minutes. And that's not an RPM, that from a source tarball. Why? Because instead of leaping off a cliff I decided to grab a parachute first. I went over to linux.org and read through the tutorial before even touching an installation disc. The time and frustration that saves is amazing. You should try it.


Oh, whoops, my bad, you're too busy trolling. By the way, you forgot to mention SCO's more honorable pursuits. Check them out at http://www.scosource.com (http://www.scosource.com/parodies.html).

:D

~psi42

[Gaxus]

Why? Because Linux is amazing. Or should I say, the community is amazing.

I mean think about it for a moment. This 'operating system' is organic in the true sense of the word; a living organism. Thousands of people worldwide contribute to it on a daily basis: modifying and creating not its entirity, but tiny little pieces of the puzzle; all of which when put together create a truly wonderous beast-- rivaling anything out there!

...

That and I'm a cheap bastard and the software's free! :D

[glasdave]

I like it because you can carry a whole distro in your wallet....

[Dark Ninja]

If it really took you 3 hours to figure out how to install a program, you need to rethink your mental priorities and get the eggs out of the bottom of the stack.

:: grins ::

:: bites tounge...hard ::

[Loki3]

Because the average linux user is about 10 times smarter than the average windows user.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I agree with much of what's already been said, plus hard candy's right. You can't make up cool songs about Microsoft.

So, Gentoo's pretty cool,
portage and gcc flags make me drool,
I use reiserfs and expermental kernels,
if your using Windows... you're using a urinal.

:D

[Dark Ninja]

Here we go. ;)

Gentoo Rules
to the tune of Stacy's Mom

Gentoo rules
It's what you all should use
Gentoo rules
It's what you all should use
Gentoo rules
It's what you all should use
Gentoo rules
It's what you all should use

Portage - it is a Godsend
Makes me droooooool
(Makes me drool)
I'm very much in love with this
Fabulous toooooool
(Fabulous tool)
It makes Windows peeps want to abandon ship
(Abandon ship)
And Billy Gates...it really makes him want to fliiiiip
(He wants to flip)

You know I'm not the Windows guy that I used to be
Tweak my own kernel now, Linus can't you see!
Gentoo rules
It's what you all should use
KDE is done
And I've waited for so long
Bill Gates can't you see
Windows is just not for me
I know it must be right
'cause I'm emerging stuff all night


:: grins ::
:: bows ::
I'm signing autographs after the show.

[XiaoKJ]

...This Thread Is Becoming Lame...

:rolleyes:

(But I like it this way -- Gentoo ROCKS!)

[do_guh_new]

you need to rethink your mental priorities and get the eggs out of the bottom of the stack.


hahahehehaha you said sack

[Loki3]

It's hard candy's fault. He started it.

[deathadder]

Can I get oggs of those? :)

and I bother because its fun to learn and its different, plus everything everyone else has already said

[hlrguy]

Sanity

A little story. Went to head office for a course on my latest work project. The room was filled with Windows 2K laptops and workstations. I tell ya what, by lunch the first day, I was literally ready to smash my loaner laptop. I had forgotten how slow, and tedious and hard it is to use Windows in a networked environment. For whatever reason, telnet with hostname wouldn't work, even after adding hosts. The C-Prompt, arghhh. I got through the day ONLY by installing VNC, and bringing up my remote desktop from my sun workstation. Ahhh, the joy of virtual desktops. So here is the deal. I would get NetBeans running, 2-3 telnets into various nodes of the product. Office running, Excel running, and also powerpoint with the training slides. How the heck does anyone keep track of 8-9 windows without virtual desktops? I could not believe how intrusive Office was. It second quessed EVERYTHING I typed, and not being used to the keyboard, I hit every shortcut unintentionally that existed (for whatever reason, I could NOT turn them off. I think it was tied to touchpad optimizations too?). 3 times, Windows told me 'You have run out of memory, please wait while I expand your virtual memory'. 5 minutes, 15 minutes, &%^&^%&^% piece of crap, force power off. I learned first hand that Windows 2K virtual memory is essentially a joke. For grins, I let it run, next time it stated it needed more memory. 2 hours later, the hard drive was still churning, the system was slower than slow. That evening, ahh, the power of knoppix. Download 3.4, burn to CD, start laptop, use my USB pen drive to save preferences. Next morning, add an NFS mount to my sun workstation, and use that for all my work documents. The next 8 days, running perfectly, efficiently and with peace of mind in knoppix. By the third day, 1/2 the class (we are all unix users), had converted to knoppix on the pc/laptop. Openoffice, I hear it can't do a lot that Office does, I don't believe it. For what we were doing, it was a joy, if slow to load off the CD. And the actual desktop look, no truetypes existed on any of the laptops, and I haven't seen such crappy fonts in a long time. The smooth fonts of Knoppix made it much easier on the eyes.

3 times the instructors XP laptop (HP) BSODed, and all I could do was smile. Sure, we were radicals, running 4 or more apps in parallel, (Netbeans, Office, Browsers, and multiple telnets), but come on. What I take for granted, is risky in Windows.

Oh yeah, the laptop only had IE to begin with. Actually laughed out loud at the first onslought of pop-up ads. Gotta love corporate networks. 500Kbytes/sec, and Mozilla was installed in about 2 minutes.

All I can say is this. If I had to use Windows, I would quit. Windows, why bother?

Edit: One more tidbit. IT said that they had 'locked down' the laptops to disallow any admin configuration or installing software. So, I went to users, and simply GAVE myself admin permission. I could then do anything. I guess IT hadn't thought of that. Now that is a secure system. :D :edit
hlrguy

P.S. Netbeans, at least on Win 2k, would only remain sane for about 2 hours before it needed a restart. Smooth sailing using Netbeans on Linux.

[RodNICE]

I would like to thank the following for their answers:
hardcandy... Dark Ninja... glasdave... hlrguy

Now it's my time, to come to my own defense
Came on to this site, to ask for your 2 cents
But don't know why, you all try to lynch me for
And talk of something called a flame war

I don't know what that is, nor what is a troll
I fell in love with Linux, and to have it run was my goal
Never tried to pick a fight, but wanted answers for the time
I would need to give an answer to a friend or two or mine

'Cause i'm tired of Windows, but dang what's up with this
I came unto my own, but got dissed on JustLinux
Well anyhow, I've concluded that RedHat aint for me
Nor are the others I know little of, or the ones too b-i-g

Can't be downloading for a week, to get all 50 discs
So yesterday I found, a little guy called MEPIS
It works great, had it up in 2 minutes flat
Couldn't do this with RH, though online I sat and sat

And searched and searched, till I didn't want to touch it
Though getting wiser, did never become productive
But don't let word get out, 'cause I defend Linux on my block
And though I had bad fortune I KNOW Linux rocks


Ok, let me stop there. Synopsis... I was simply coming
on to see why my brothers (at least I thought) decided
to use Linux in case someone were to question me with
the questions I originally posed. Thanx again to the few
who did not seek my beheading.

[BaVinic]

If you had wanted a serious answer, maybe you should have phrased your question a little better, when you ask "Why Bother" that starts a flamewar. it is like you are putting Linux down, and my friend, this is not the place to do that.

Glad you got some flavor of Linux running though, and on a serious note, welcome to the world that is linux.

:)

BaVinic

[Dark Ninja]

Originally posted by RodNICE
Synopsis... I was simply coming
on to see why my brothers (at least I thought) decided
to use Linux in case someone were to question me with
the questions I originally posed. Thanx again to the few
who did not seek my beheading.

Haha...I don't think anybody here was seeking your beheading. But, when you're posting to forums, you have to remember that we can't hear your voice/see facial expressions/etc - so we can't tell HOW you are asking something. Because of this, you have to phrase things a little nicer than you might in real life. (AKA - Do not ask, "Why bother?" Maybe ask - "Why do you guys spend so much time configuring Linux. I'm having a lot of issues and I'm having trouble seeing why I should spend so much time using it. Any explanations?")

Anyway, I'm glad you found a distro that works for you. That's another beauty of Linux -- choice. Keep hacking and tweaking away. Welcome to Linux.

[Parcival]

I wanna participate in the song contest, too, so here we go (sing it to the tune of the Marines' marching jodies):

Mama, Mama, can you see,
what Linus Torvalds done to me?
I used to be a Windows clicker
emerge world is way more slicker.

Mama, Mama, can you see,
what Linus Torvalds done to me?
I used to have trouble with NTFS,
now I'm happy with ReiserFS.

Mama, Mama, can you see,
what Linus Torvalds done to me?
I compile my sources all night long,
EXE binaries make me yawn.

Mama, Mama, can you see,
what Linus Torvalds done to me?
People think that I'm the best,
cuz my Knoppix saves them from the digital pest. :D

[RodNICE]

Dark Ninja:
Perhaps you are correct but I've never known
a post in a forum to make people feel that way.
I guess being thick-skinned comes with the
Linux territory, huh?

I tried to phrase the question in such a way
that I would get the best possible answer in
case someone starts dissing me for using
Linux. I apologize for the hurt I've caused.

[hard candy]

Good one Parcival.
Here's another sung to the tune of "Roses" by Outkast:
I know you'd like to think your machine don't crash
But lean a little closer , see the flash
It ain't moving, the cursor don't dash,
I need my Linux with the bash, WOO WOO
and press Ctrl-C to end this program clash WOO WOO
:D

[hard candy]

I tried to phrase the question in such a way
Apologies are accepted by myself. Perhaps if you read the last two paragraphs of your post. The words " No future; why bother?" and
"Bill Gates acceded to the fact that he
may not have the best software; but that he would
win anyways. He's been right so far" are what made me think this was a troll from a windows advocate.

[Loki3]

Sorry, didn't mean to get all angry.

I just see a lot of posts that say "convince" me to use Linux. Generally your offer some good reasons but the original poster will relentless refute them. You say that Linux is stable and they'll say well so is XP. You say Linux is configurable well they say so is Litestep. I find that most the people who post "convince me to use linux" are already quite convinced that Windows is better and just like to have other people indirectly re-enforce their decisions and behavior because they themselves are to insecure to notice that they've begin to doubt the wisdom in their choice of operating system. No body can convince people to use linux, they have convince themselves. Generally someone who makes a post to a linux board trying to convinced is dead-set in their Windows way and does not seem to have the correct state of mind to succed as linux user.

Then after they set themselves up for failure they come back and say, "Boy linux sucks, windows is better, blah, blah, blah". They feel the need to re-enforce their beliefs by purposly failing in trying a different and alternative point of view.

Sorry if I upset you. I really hope you continue to be an active JL member, that you continue to be a linux users and that Tux blesses you with the golden light of his wisdom...

I'm just skeptical about "convince me to use linux" threads. If your post hadn't read so one-sided you'd probably recieve a much nicer welcome...

Speaking of.

Welcome.

[RodNICE]

Woo boy! Typing from MEPIS right now. Dang never thought I would be savvy enough to get
a linux system up and running in the time that
I did with MAAAAAAAAAAD programs! Dang this
thing is clean!

Thanx everyone!

[JohnT]

You chose a good starting distro...it has the best features of MDK and Debian rolled into one...and then some. You'll be ready for another before long. Welcome to JL:D

[infiniphunk]

Man, I still feel bad! I can relate to the guy with his why LINUX? My reason for starting to use it was all the good I had heard about it; no viruses, no rebooting constantly, no defragging constantly, the stability...etc. My 1st experiences with LINUX ( mandrake9.2) was a bit of a bumpy ride. I was in unfamiliar territory; nothing seemed to work. I even turned into a TROLL and made a few "why bother"-type posts in this forum. Ouch! Still kinda embarrassed about that one!
The problem with windows is that it blindly leads the way for you in practically everything; everything is just click yes>yes>yes...
With linux it just feels like I'm more involved with what my computer does, and because I have to put more effort and thought into what I do, I find I am learning way more about everything the system does. Switching from windows to linux is kinda like trading a Dodge Caravan for a Porsche 911; you end up with way better perfmance, but end up having to learn manual transmission.
I'm still a n00b too, but what are my reasons for bothering?
1. Hardley ever have to reboot.
2. Privacy. I don't have Redmond breathing down my neck.
3.Never have to defrag my hard-drives.
4. Don't worry about viruses and spyware that much anymore.
5. Better performance.
And to those of you who put up with my crap when I first started posting here, I applaude you all!!!

[hard candy]

And to those of you who put up with my crap when I first started posting here, I applaude you all!!!
Does this mean I can decrease my medicine now? :D
Glad to have you aboard.

[Icarus]

Originally posted by hard candy
Does this mean I can decrease my medicine now? :D
Glad to have you aboard. Yes you may, but you shoudl really up the voltage :p

[JohnT]

Originally posted by hard candy
Does this mean I can decrease my medicine now? :D
Glad to have you aboard. Yea...send your stash here-------->/HOME/JOHNT

[Parcival]

Originally posted by Icarus
Yes you may, but you shoudl really up the voltage :p

Oh no, that's not a very good idea. Remember how lights flicker in Augusta when Bon Bon's in for treatement? I don't dare to even think about what would happen if they called up hard candy... :eek:

[hard candy]

Don't worry, we're having thunderstorms today, so I may just go stand outside on the baseball field and hold up my graphite fishing pole. The only trouble is getting my hair to lay down flat for the next few days. :(

[robagen]

It was on the shelf of the computer store,
beckoning. And Linux gave me an education.Still
learning, too.

[FrankBlourtango]

For the pain

[RodNICE]

See, I'm currently typing this up on MEPIS. I've always wanted to go Linux just because
it made more sense, but am not to brainy when
it comes to using computers. MEPIS did the
job.

See, I want to spend the rest of my life with
Linux... problem is, I don't think anyone has
ever stopped to say, "Hey, let's make this easy
to use."

Should everyone who uses the internet need
to know how to code HTML? Do I need to learn
what chemicals are in the ink before I can
start using the pen? Must I be forced to
learn the intricacies of internal combustion
engines before I can drive around the block?

Currently, I can't get sound to work, or my
DVD player to work (and I dare not start on
getting my printer up and running). Within
about 2 months, perhaps those problems will
be resolved on this system. In the meantime,
productivity (Windows) calls.

Let's say I was the King of Microsoft. I
would make it open-source, and tell people
all over the world to make it as stable as
Linux. In that nightmare, I would drop Linux
in a heartbeat, and go with the enemy I know,
instead of the lover I don't.

*sigh* Frustration... thy name is Linux.

[RodNICE]

*sigh* sound doesnt work, dvd player doesn't work... won't yet attempt to install printer...

now I ask again... why do i bother?

[Loki3]

Don't worry. Linux is frustrating but when it pays off and you finally solve your problem, oh man does it feel good!

Keep plugging away and I'm sure you'll get it eventually. If you have questions post 'em! I for one would be glad to help.

[Icarus]

Originally posted by RodNICE
now I ask again... why do i bother? So I ask again...why continue to Troll (http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/t/troll.html) on the subject?

[infiniphunk]

TROLL (http://www.deviantart.com/view/8056624/)

:D :D :D

[XiaoKJ]

In the linux world everybody should be happy

Therefore live-cds are present -- for newbies and people just to lazy to learn about their hardware.

According to your wield of knowledge, you are exposed to FC2, MDK, SuSE and major "easy" distros that are just for people beginning to learn about their hardware.

slackware and debian are a bit more extensive, and gentoo is much more.

Then lunar and LFS -- elites just make their own distros or land in one of the major distros like gentoo :D

[chesskidd]

Originally posted by RodNICE


Then again is my reality. No matter how hard I tried, I
was never able to get RedHat (7? 8?) installed on my
PC and have it be able to print without running to Windows
to complete the task. Took me hours just to figure out
how to install a program, eventhough I did end up the wiser
for it. Every day I hear that the big dogs are going to
kill Linux with this-lawsuit or that-lawsuit and thus end
the career of the promising open-source solution. No
future; why bother?


I must say this, how could you not get "RedHat 7? 8?" installed? :eek: :eek: :confused:

Ok, did Redhat fail you? or Linux?
:rolleyes:

[je_fro]

I'm getting tired of all your whining.
I've felt that way too, but I dust myself off and try again...I don't go out and pollute the internet with my moaning and trolling.

Edit: ...and welcome to my ignore list.

[mdwatts]

I've merged your latest 'love/hate relationship' thread into this one as we might as well keep ALL your rants together.

I would tend to agree with je_fro as I am also getting a little tired of your whining. If you don't like it, don't darn well use it. Nobody is forcing you to. Stay with M$.

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by RodNICE
*sigh* sound doesnt work, dvd player doesn't work... won't yet attempt to install printer...

now I ask again... why do i bother?

Yeah! Everything always works first try no problem in Windows.

Second post
http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117544&highlight=wireless

hlrguy

[Icarus]

Yes! I hate when my wireless network card does NOT work as soon as I plug it in!

I hate when I need to TELL the computer to use DHCP so I can get an IP address

I hate when the 3D card I just bought doesn't work with 3D apps as soon as I plug it in!

I hate printers that need special drivers so I can print

I hate DVD plaers that can't play movies right away (but the blasted thing can read data disks just fine!)

I hate this thread...

[Yosuke_]

No matter how hard I tried, I was never able to get RedHat (7? 8?) installed on my PC
That's strange, yesturday I installed redhat with no problems at all! Redhat is so easy to install. It even makes partitions for you, so you don't need to make them by yourself. The only problem that I had, I didn't know how to burn Linux on the CD :p

First when I installed redhat I didn't like its look, then I installed KDE and now I love it. To install app's in redhat its even more simpler than to install app's on windows. You just click on .rmp and then click continue.. Thats it. Even more simpler than click +3 times Next...

Linux community, you all are soo great!!! Thank you! :D

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by Icarus
I hate printers that need special drivers so I can print Especially those Winprinters -- especially the inkjet variants!

Oh, wait... duh...

[RodNICE]

chesskidd: Sorry, I meant to say that I never got it installed to the point that it was going to outdo my Windows setup... specifically, I tried for 2 weeks and could not get my printer to install... also in the 2 weeks, I was not able to install a program, without having to look for 4 or 5 levels of dependencies. Sure the OS was there, but without a printer, installed I was running back to Windows... the whole point was to get away from Windows.

je_fro: And here I thought I was going to get help. I guess help only comes to those who are obsequious enough in their posts.


mdwatts: Your rants about rants produce nothing but mental ennui. Yes no one is forcing me to use Windows, however, I wonder why there is more (courteous) help available if I should happen to have an issue. When something doesn't work in Windows, I say it sux. If you don't work right, your boss will say that YOU suck.

If someone needs help with say MS Excel, I baby them by showing them how to do it. They come to me because others who are probably just as smart or smarter, do not attend to the end-user's problem with meekness nor do they show them but instead end up doing it for them.


I have little knowledge of how Linux works and would fancy myself as a bonafide member of the computing booboisie. Because I'm used to such treatment, I remain, but I feel sorry for those like me who come here looking for help.

[mdwatts]

Originally posted by RodNICE
Because I'm used to such treatment, I remain, but I feel sorry for those like me who come here looking for help.

Great way for anyone to show their appreciation to all the volunteers here at JL that spend hours and hours of their own personal time everyday attempting to help others. Thanks

We are after all newbies trying to help other newbies. Want professional support? Pay for it elsewhere.

[RodNICE]

Originally posted by mdwatts
Great way for anyone to show their appreciation to all the volunteers here at JL that spend hours and hours of their own personal time everyday attempting to help others. Thanks

We are after all newbies trying to help other newbies. Want professional support? Pay for it elsewhere.

See that's the problem, my kind sir, everyone is helping everyone but me. Now I, myself, can live with that, but if I tell my friends about this type of help, it would scare them away. "It's a great forum, but they are too busy helping others." Hmm, I don't want to say that.

Nah, newbies are not the majority of you. If you are comfortable with the command line, I would not view you as a newbie, but much more. Being professional would simply mean that the volunteers at JL know what they are doing when it comes to a certain problem. Why come if I were not looking for help from the pros?

[mdwatts]

Originally posted by RodNICE
See that's the problem, my kind sir, everyone is helping everyone but me. Now I, myself, can live with that, but if I tell my friends about this type of help, it would scare them away. "It's a great forum, but they are too busy helping others." Hmm, I don't want to say that.

Nah, newbies are not the majority of you. If you are comfortable with the command line, I would not view you as a newbie, but much more. Being professional would simply mean that the volunteers at JL know what they are doing when it comes to a certain problem. Why come if I were not looking for help from the pros?

We do not play favorites here at JL. If someone can help with your problem, I'm sure they will. I always help out to the best of my ability.

The point is, do you know anyone that can troubleshoot and fix the Windows kernel, device drivers, winapps or any of the thousands of available applications for the Windows platform? I mean the core of these systems/apps and not just how to create a simple spreadsheet to add a couple of numbers.

I certainly don't as that would take a astronomical amount of knowledge involving not only MS, but all the other companies such as Photoshop, WinZIP, Macromedia. Can you figure out every single Windows and application error and find/apply a fix? I can't.

That is what is expected of us here at JL. After all Linux is Linux and everything is the same no matter what application or system problem we are asked to provide the solution.

[Yosuke_]

RodNICE, what is wrong with you? Did you ever use google? I only get ignored, when I ask something stupid. Thats why I allways use google first! You can search for answer to your question in there forums too! And if you don't like Linux, then don't use it, nobody asks you to! You can always use Windows.

Sometime's I don't understand peaple!

[mdwatts]

And to anyone (not just RodNICE).

If you don't like something, then do not use it. Don't go on and on and on complaining about it.

I don't like MS, but you won't see me ranting here or anywhere else on my dislike for Microsoft. Some of their software is not half bad, but it's the company that turns my stomach.