MMYoung
04-09-2004, 02:40 PM
Dropline GNOME has released their latest version which includes GNOME 2.6.0 and Xorg. I've downloaded it and everything seems to be working fine so far.
Later,
MMYoung
Later,
MMYoung
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asklepios
04-10-2004, 12:54 AM
thanx for posting it MMYoung
i am currently using dropline 2.4 and now m thinking about getting 2.6. can anyone please tell me that is it being smart enough to get something that your distro doesn't support. i mean slackware is going with XFree86 4.4 while dropline is going with X.org. will it cause some kind of problems?
will it show dependency errors when you update something like fluxbox/blackbox or any other X dependent package using swaret? i m currently using XFree 4.3 and when i updated XFCE a few days ago, it wanted to update X server to 4.4.
now dropline won't install without X.org while swaret will show missing XFree libraries. would that be a problem. any comments will be highly appreciated.
i am currently using dropline 2.4 and now m thinking about getting 2.6. can anyone please tell me that is it being smart enough to get something that your distro doesn't support. i mean slackware is going with XFree86 4.4 while dropline is going with X.org. will it cause some kind of problems?
will it show dependency errors when you update something like fluxbox/blackbox or any other X dependent package using swaret? i m currently using XFree 4.3 and when i updated XFCE a few days ago, it wanted to update X server to 4.4.
now dropline won't install without X.org while swaret will show missing XFree libraries. would that be a problem. any comments will be highly appreciated.
MMYoung
04-10-2004, 09:48 AM
So far the only problem that I am experiencing is X crashing around the time that the screensaver starts. I have "rerun" xf86config to see if that might help but ain't for sure. If that doesn't fix it, I am going to disable the screensaver to see if that is the culprit.
Later,
MMYoung
Later,
MMYoung
JohnT
04-10-2004, 10:04 AM
i m currently using XFree 4.3 and when i updated XFCE a few days ago, it wanted to update X server to 4.4. The install of 4.4.0 on my Slack runs well, using nvidia card and drivers.
bwkaz
04-10-2004, 10:14 AM
XFree86 has a few features that the X.org X server doesn't (I think one of those is the XRandR extension, which lets you change resolution, color depth, and refresh rate without restarting the server, and unlike ctrl-alt-plus/minus, it doesn't just resize the output, it resizes the entire root window).
I'm sure there are other extensions also. I believe that it took a while for the X.org X server to implement the Render extension (if it even does implement it...).
Also, the nVidia and ATI closed source drivers may only work with the XFree86 internal driver model, I'm not sure. It would definitely be something to watch out for, if you need those drivers.
Basically, I'll be staying with XFree86 for the forseeable future at least. But that's because I'm not a distro provider, so I don't have to worry about the restrictions in the new license that apply to redistribution, only the ones that apply to using the software (and being a free software license, there are very few of those). I just pull the package from xfree86.org and build it myself. ;)
It's just too bad that Dropline decided to hardcode a less-used X implementation into their dependencies. Personally, I like what the Red Hat people are thinking about doing long-term -- have a generic "require" for X11R6, and then have multiple packages that "provide" that (one for XFree86, one for X.org, one for freedesktop.org, etc.). Then, packages that had the generic require in their dependency list would work with any X implementation, which is infinitely better than hardcoding one...
I'm sure there are other extensions also. I believe that it took a while for the X.org X server to implement the Render extension (if it even does implement it...).
Also, the nVidia and ATI closed source drivers may only work with the XFree86 internal driver model, I'm not sure. It would definitely be something to watch out for, if you need those drivers.
Basically, I'll be staying with XFree86 for the forseeable future at least. But that's because I'm not a distro provider, so I don't have to worry about the restrictions in the new license that apply to redistribution, only the ones that apply to using the software (and being a free software license, there are very few of those). I just pull the package from xfree86.org and build it myself. ;)
It's just too bad that Dropline decided to hardcode a less-used X implementation into their dependencies. Personally, I like what the Red Hat people are thinking about doing long-term -- have a generic "require" for X11R6, and then have multiple packages that "provide" that (one for XFree86, one for X.org, one for freedesktop.org, etc.). Then, packages that had the generic require in their dependency list would work with any X implementation, which is infinitely better than hardcoding one...
MMYoung
04-10-2004, 10:17 AM
I agree with JohnT on the XFree86 4.4. I didn't have any problems when I upgraded to "current" using swaret myself.
Really like the Dropline GNOME package, so far, but I'm not sure what the Xorg (which is basically XFree 4.3 or a branch of it anyway isn't it?) will affect everything else. To be honest with you I was having the same X problem with GNOME 2.4 after the upgrade to Xfree 4.4 that I'm having with Dropline now and, crossing my fingers, seems to be working (at least for now) since I reran xf86config.
Later,
MMYoung
Really like the Dropline GNOME package, so far, but I'm not sure what the Xorg (which is basically XFree 4.3 or a branch of it anyway isn't it?) will affect everything else. To be honest with you I was having the same X problem with GNOME 2.4 after the upgrade to Xfree 4.4 that I'm having with Dropline now and, crossing my fingers, seems to be working (at least for now) since I reran xf86config.
Later,
MMYoung
bwkaz
04-10-2004, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by MMYoung
but I'm not sure what the Xorg (which is basically XFree 4.3 or a branch of it anyway isn't it?) Not really. XFree86 is an implementation of the X11R6 protocol. The X.org X server is another implementation of it.
It just so happens that X.org is the group of people that standardize the X protocol, so the X.org server is the "canonical" one (and XFree86 actually includes a ton of code from the X.org one; in the XFree86 source tree root, there are several files from X.org (INSTALL-X.org, RELNOTES-X.org, and LABEL, at least).
They both speak the same protocol, so clients (graphical programs) can use either of them. The only differences would be in the extensions provided.
but I'm not sure what the Xorg (which is basically XFree 4.3 or a branch of it anyway isn't it?) Not really. XFree86 is an implementation of the X11R6 protocol. The X.org X server is another implementation of it.
It just so happens that X.org is the group of people that standardize the X protocol, so the X.org server is the "canonical" one (and XFree86 actually includes a ton of code from the X.org one; in the XFree86 source tree root, there are several files from X.org (INSTALL-X.org, RELNOTES-X.org, and LABEL, at least).
They both speak the same protocol, so clients (graphical programs) can use either of them. The only differences would be in the extensions provided.
Hayl
04-10-2004, 10:23 AM
the current X.org server is XFree86 4.3.99 code snapshot from right before they (XFree86) changed their license so most of it is the same code.
asklepios
04-10-2004, 03:23 PM
actually i m apprehensive about the fact that if i upgarde to Dropline 2.6 today with X.org and tomorrow i try to upgrade KDE using swaret will it ask me to install XFree86 (as XFree86 will be the dependency of KDE)? wouldn't there be crosss dependency problems? :confused:
about nVIDIA and ATi drivers, well Dropline on their main page claims that those binaries are working.
about nVIDIA and ATi drivers, well Dropline on their main page claims that those binaries are working.
carbon-12
04-10-2004, 04:30 PM
Well im running dropline 2.6 right now. A few problems though:
- no sound, "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
-a few mime type errors
- totem and rythmbox still hang.
- beep is still very unstable, I wish they would have kept xmms
Some good points:
-nvidia drivers work fine
-nautilus(in spatial mode) is unbelievable fast
-no more inverted colors when I try to play some video formats
- new theme is pretty nice
- gimp 2 has xsane support. A BIG plus for me.
- a few new applets
Overall its pretty nice, but I still prefer KDE 3.2.1
- no sound, "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
-a few mime type errors
- totem and rythmbox still hang.
- beep is still very unstable, I wish they would have kept xmms
Some good points:
-nvidia drivers work fine
-nautilus(in spatial mode) is unbelievable fast
-no more inverted colors when I try to play some video formats
- new theme is pretty nice
- gimp 2 has xsane support. A BIG plus for me.
- a few new applets
Overall its pretty nice, but I still prefer KDE 3.2.1
JohnT
04-10-2004, 05:08 PM
The problem I have found with Dropline in the past is the inability to maintain a "Slack-current" without running into a dependency hell...swaret or not. If your running a current and install DL you've just screwed your current. You can run one or the other, but not both. One way around is to exclude all the DL packages in swaret.conf.
asklepios
04-11-2004, 02:42 AM
looks like i'll have to format and remain with official Slackware-Current. bye bye dropline :(
JohnT
04-11-2004, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by asklepios
looks like i'll have to format and remain with official Slackware-Current. bye bye dropline :( Try upgrading with swaret before you format. Dropline hasn't maintained the pace and IMHO I don't believe it provides any advanced functionality or eye candy that I can't get somewhere else.
looks like i'll have to format and remain with official Slackware-Current. bye bye dropline :( Try upgrading with swaret before you format. Dropline hasn't maintained the pace and IMHO I don't believe it provides any advanced functionality or eye candy that I can't get somewhere else.
MMYoung
04-11-2004, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by JohnT
One way around is to exclude all the DL packages in swaret.conf.
The DL packages are excluded by default in swaret.conf, so you shouldn't have to add any exclusion statements to it.
# Basic Exclude
#
EXCLUDE=kernel
EXCLUDE=lilo swaret
EXCLUDE=MANIFEST.bz2$
EXCLUDE=.*dl$ .*PACKAGER$ .*MYBUILD$
Now having said all that, I think I'm fixing to have to "uninstall" the DL packages and "reinstall" to current. It was a nice experiment but in the end I'm like carbon-12 I prefer KDE.
But that spatial Nautilus was pretty neet!
Later,
MMYoung
One way around is to exclude all the DL packages in swaret.conf.
The DL packages are excluded by default in swaret.conf, so you shouldn't have to add any exclusion statements to it.
# Basic Exclude
#
EXCLUDE=kernel
EXCLUDE=lilo swaret
EXCLUDE=MANIFEST.bz2$
EXCLUDE=.*dl$ .*PACKAGER$ .*MYBUILD$
Now having said all that, I think I'm fixing to have to "uninstall" the DL packages and "reinstall" to current. It was a nice experiment but in the end I'm like carbon-12 I prefer KDE.
But that spatial Nautilus was pretty neet!
Later,
MMYoung
JohnT
04-11-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by MMYoung
The DL packages are excluded by default in swaret.conf, so you shouldn't have to add any exclusion statements to it.
# Basic Exclude
#
EXCLUDE=kernel
EXCLUDE=lilo swaret
EXCLUDE=MANIFEST.bz2$
EXCLUDE=.*dl$ .*PACKAGER$ .*MYBUILD$
Now having said all that, I think I'm fixing to have to "uninstall" the DL packages and "reinstall" to current. It was a nice experiment but in the end I'm like carbon-12 I prefer KDE.
But that spatial Nautilus was pretty neet!
Later,
MMYoung Never really noticed that...is that the DL extension? Why would it be in swaret to begin with....I wonder?
The DL packages are excluded by default in swaret.conf, so you shouldn't have to add any exclusion statements to it.
# Basic Exclude
#
EXCLUDE=kernel
EXCLUDE=lilo swaret
EXCLUDE=MANIFEST.bz2$
EXCLUDE=.*dl$ .*PACKAGER$ .*MYBUILD$
Now having said all that, I think I'm fixing to have to "uninstall" the DL packages and "reinstall" to current. It was a nice experiment but in the end I'm like carbon-12 I prefer KDE.
But that spatial Nautilus was pretty neet!
Later,
MMYoung Never really noticed that...is that the DL extension? Why would it be in swaret to begin with....I wonder?
MMYoung
04-11-2004, 11:36 AM
Yeah, all the Dropline packages end with .dl1.tgz so swaret.conf is set up from the beginning to exclude anything that would interfer with the Dropline install.
From what I gather the folks at swaret know that there are a lot of people out there using the Dropline GNOME desktop so they included the exclude so as not to bork thier install. Just my take on it anyway.
Later,
MMYoung
From what I gather the folks at swaret know that there are a lot of people out there using the Dropline GNOME desktop so they included the exclude so as not to bork thier install. Just my take on it anyway.
Later,
MMYoung
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