RIGHT NOW I'M POSTING FROM MY SISTER'S PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY COMPUTER... .... I TRIED OVERCLOCKING IT... BECAUSE I HERD HOW MUCH IT MADE YOUR PC RUN SOOO MUCH BETTER.... BUT .. I BOUGHT IT USED... I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HAD IT BEFORE ME ALREADY CLOCKED IT.... SO NOW IT WON'T START UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLP!!!! COMPUTER ISN'T EVEN 3 MONTHS OLD... HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP. ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN FIX MY PC?????????????????????????????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...........
IT WAS SET TO 133/133, I THUOUGH... OHH WELL 166/133 WON'T DO MUCH HARM.... AMD 2000+, PLEASE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLP. I DON'T care IF IT ONLY RUNS AT 166 MHZ AS LONG AS IT WORKS AGAIN! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
endoalpha
12-24-2003, 01:56 AM
Reset your bios.
templest
12-24-2003, 02:10 AM
I WILL SEND YOU $20.00 IN THE MAIL IF YOU CAN TELL ME HOW TO DO THAT. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
btw: now that I've calmed down a bit... Maybe I can explain my situation a bit clearlier.
I tried overclocking it... Now it won't start up. When I press the power button it turns on yes... but nothing else... it looks like it's reading the CD-Rom ect, but nothing else... it's stops reading it after a while and just hangs. I opened up the panels and set up the computer beside the window and my room fan attached to the side... yes, the bigass 18" fan, with the snow out-side a figured it might work (if it was a cooling problem). but apperantly it isn't... the CPU has to be about -5º Celcius right now... so obviously it isn't a cooling problem. If resetting the bios is the solution, is there a "manual" was of resetting it? as in, opening up the computer and moving a switch? or unplugging something? seeing as my keyboard won't even start up... forget about any BIOS config or typing up stuf to fix it.
as you can see this is my first time ever doing anything on my hardware to tweak performance... omg. I can safely say, if I get my computer working again, there is no chance in hell I'll even THINK of the word overclock again. In my entire life. Unless Im I become a millionaire and have enough money to be replacing CPUs at a daily basis until I learn to be the overclock king.. until then. help. :(
Sepero
12-24-2003, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by templest
I WILL SEND YOU $20.00 IN THE MAIL IF YOU CAN TELL ME HOW TO DO THAT. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: You mean slackware won't do that for you? Perhaps you should tweak it. ;) heheh
To reset the BIOS, take out the motherboard battery for a few minutes, then pop it back in.
templest
12-24-2003, 02:21 AM
there is no chance im EVER tweaking anything that isn't software... EVER AGAIN! at least if anything in X screws up. it's not something a little keyboard hacking can't fix. omg... I hope it works. It's been out for about 5 mins now. About how long should I wait?
EDIT: I can only hope the CPU didn't fry kentucky syle.
bsm2001
12-24-2003, 02:26 AM
go ahead now and keep the fingers and toes crossed!!!!!!!!!
Sepero
12-24-2003, 02:34 AM
Yeah, 5 min should be long enough.
The Linux Kid
12-24-2003, 02:34 AM
I hope that you don't fry your machine like I did to mine 3 or so yrs ago with some really old hardware (at least really old now!!)
STILL NOT WORKING! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NOT CALM ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!1 NERVES SHOCKED! I THINK IM GOING TO FRY MY BRAIN WITH ALL THIS FEAR, HORROR, NERVOUSNESS, ANGER, SADNESS, IRRITATION, MURDEROUS THOUGHTS, AAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLP!!!!!!!
sharth
12-24-2003, 02:36 AM
theres often a jumper as well that you can use to reset the bios...
5 mintues is probably enough.
The Linux Kid
12-24-2003, 02:36 AM
I say that you pack your machine up and send it to your local computer store for them to look at it!!!
Sorry to hear about your machine mate,
The Linux Kid
Sepero
12-24-2003, 02:42 AM
Why freak out? So you gotta buy a new cpu... things could be worse. At least you didn't fry your harddrive. :)
templest
12-24-2003, 02:43 AM
Sharth said:
theres often a jumper as well that you can use to reset the bios...
Can you please describe it? What it should look like? Is it like a switch?
I read somewhere (just did a google search) it said something about a CMOS and removing the battery and setting the CMOS to off for an hour (with the batter off). What is this CMOS?
The Linux Kid
12-24-2003, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by Sepero
Why freak out? So you gotta buy a new cpu... things could be worse. At least you didn't fry your harddrive. :)
At least that's a good thing (i'm talking about the hdd). Plus I wouldn't argue with an excuse to get a more powerful box! :D
(sorry if the above isn't very supportive:( )
The Linux Kid
The Linux Kid
12-24-2003, 02:47 AM
The CMOS is basically what makes your computer tick. It's the big brains. It's what lets everything talk.
Also, on a sidenote, did you have your computer unplugged while doing the battery thing?
Also the clear cmos jumper will be detailed in your motherboard documentation (do a google search for the docs if you don't have them on hand)
Sepero
12-24-2003, 02:49 AM
If you took out the battery, that the same as resetting the BIOS jumper. You're gonna hafta face the facts. Your cpu is 'the kernels new secret recipe'. ;) Time to buy a new cpu, man.
templest
12-24-2003, 02:54 AM
Yes the PC was unplugged...
Thanks for the CMOS description...
I'll try looking up in the manual to see if I can fix this...
NO I WILL NOT! I REFUSE TO THINK THIS CPU IS BURNT!!!! AAAAAAAARGHHGHGHGGHHG!!!!!
bsm2001
12-24-2003, 02:55 AM
It's Christmas just ask SANTA for a new CPU. I'm sure he will get you one if you were good this year.
templest
12-24-2003, 02:57 AM
by the way, those stupid coments aren't helping. Thanks to everyone that has helped out so far. It's 2 AM and people are willing to help out. That's christmas spirit for ya.
Sepero
12-24-2003, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by templest
If your not going to help, then stop you toungue-in-cheek remarks before I rip your tounge out! Sorry dude. I just got a new pc and I know I'd be pretty freaked out too. There really just isn't anything else you can do. :(
bsm2001
12-24-2003, 03:01 AM
no flame intended.
sharth
12-24-2003, 03:03 AM
In all truth. Here's what you SHOULD do...
Take the battery out. leave it on the ground near the computer. stand up, walk towards your bed. and sleep. you'll be far less likely to break anything in the morning.
DerekKraan
12-24-2003, 03:06 AM
If you take it to a computer store it might be a while before you get it back. How much does an Athlon XP 2000+ cost these days? About $60? That's a small price to pay for trashing a CPU. At least you learned something? Small steps, always small steps when overclocking, and really really read up.
The Linux Kid
12-24-2003, 03:06 AM
I agree with sharth. Go get some sleep. It'll clear your mind (and you then have less chance of breaking something with a full mind </end commment that my dad always used to use to put me to bed>)
The Linux Kid
andycrofts
12-24-2003, 03:14 AM
Sorry, Dude.
You fried (at least) your CPU.
Cooling it won't make it suddenly better. It's dead
Bereft of life, it has shuffled off this mortal coil. It rests in peace. It's an ex-CPU. it has run down the curtain and gone to join the Choir Invisibule.
And it aint "pinin' for the bleedin' fjords, either!"
(Still, nice-looking dead CPU. Lovely plumage!)
Bad luck.
Merry Christmas
-Andy
baldmonk
12-24-2003, 03:22 AM
hi,
try this. turn on ur computer, press & hold "insert" key
this should load the default bios setting.
by just increasing the fsb, from 133 to 166 wont fry ur cpu, just making it unstable. unless u increase the vcore.
hope this help,
monk
sharth
12-24-2003, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by andycrofts
Cooling it won't make it suddenly better. It's dead
We're not cooling it, we're cooling templest. he needs the rest. its 2:24 for us.
templest
12-24-2003, 03:25 AM
Here's why I think the CPU isn't dead...
I saved the settings and right away it shut down.
No noise, no smoke, no anything. I'm pretty sure it would have made SOME type of gesture to tip me off to the fact that it died. A friend of mine's PC lit on fire when he screwed around with the processor. When my PC sets on fire, Ill pretty much know the computer is jacked. But since it's not set on fire, or done anything at all for that matter, Im assuming it just shut down... Im not turning it on for periods longer than 10 seconds to see if it boots out of fear that it might fry. I think I should hit the sac though... I left the CMOS set to off and the battery out... now all I can do is pray and hope that it works tomorrow.
EDIT: try this. turn on ur computer, press & hold "insert" key
It's the "Page Down" key for my PC. I flipped through the manual... anyways, won't work, the keyboard doesn't load so it won't read it if I pressed it.
RE-EDIT: Thanks again for the quick comments, You've all been really helpful. And it wouldn't be fair either if I kept you up all night helping me. once you see me bump this post up in the morning you'll know I'm awake. Im going over to Toronto (2 hour drive from where I live) so I'll pack my PC with me and do some trouble shooting from my (other) sister's house.
baldmonk
12-24-2003, 03:30 AM
hmm..
are u using an usb keyboard by anychance?? if u are, then try swaping it for a normal keyboard.
in most motherboard there should be a jumper to reset the bios, check ur manual for it. it should be near the lil battery.
templest
12-24-2003, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by baldmonk
hmm..
are u using an usb keyboard by anychance?? if u are, then try swaping it for a normal keyboard.
in most motherboard there should be a jumper to reset the bios, check ur manual for it. it should be near the lil silver battery.
read my last post (the one before this one). I found the jumper... and it's a standard PS/2 "qwerty" keyboard. Good Nite! (I added some EDIT's to my last post)
The Linux Kid
12-24-2003, 03:54 AM
I'm going up the coast for a while (I refuse to take any computers or communication devices with me, so I won't be able to help anymore. (if I did at all ;) )
I hope all goes well,
Merry Christmas,
Keep me posted,
Wow thats a long tag line,
The Linux Kid
voidinit
12-24-2003, 04:47 AM
It may be late for ya'll, but it's early for me.
If you fried the box then you fried the box. There may not be an audible pop, nor magic smoke and sparks to tell you that. I've fried many CPU's (mostly AMD come to think of it) due to heat. Never once have I needed to grab an extinguisher of any sort.
However, if your power supply is up and running, your disks are spinning, and your LED's flash on your keyb, you may be in luck. If this is happening at least the primary components of your mainboard are responding. If the processor is damaged, replace it and thank your lucky stars it's not the CPU, mainboard, and any on-board chipsets.
Oh, I almost forgot. If you have a "bell" speaker, you might get some beep codes. I would highly advise looking up the translations of the beep codes as they are the only way to send a message to one who has no video.
Also, if you disconnect everthing besides Mainboard, powersupply, primary video and CPU. (After resetting bios) and you don't see an Operating System not found error. You are in trouble. If you do see an O/S not found error there might be a fix.
Fryguy8
12-24-2003, 05:51 AM
dude a processor isn't going to break that fast. What motherboard do you have? I've pushed MANY a computer too far. leave the computer plugged in, set the cmos jumper to "reset", and power it on, it shouldn't work and should do something very similar to what it is doing now. Next turn off the computer, set the jumper to normal and power it up. If this doesn't work try it again. If it doesn't work after doing it 2x in a row, then you = screwed.
Note 1: If the comp doesn't even power on with the jumper set to "reset," don't worry, it's just the way your motherboard works, just change the jumper back to normal and see. Don't forget to try twice.
Note 2: If it still doesn't work after repeating above, then a more detailed description of what is happening is needed.
I HIGHLY doubt you broke anything. Modern motherboards are really good at not letting you blow up processors.
andycrofts
12-24-2003, 08:15 AM
Yep, a processor WILL break that fast.
Work colleague of mine overclocked 20%. CPU lasted about 3 minutes.
Y'see, when they make these CPU's with the different speeds, they actually are all the same. They test 'em, and whichever speed they pass tests at is the rating.
Now, one of the tests involves an infra-red camera, looking for hot spots. Won't hurt at 2.2 gigs, death at 2.5 gigs.
PS,
If the processor is damaged, replace it and thank your lucky stars it's not the CPU, mainboard, and any on-board chipsets.
- sure you realised, but processor IS CPU.
templest
12-24-2003, 10:29 AM
Thank you very, VERY much for all the helpful comments and tip. I know that ALL of you deserve a big friendly pat on the back. I'll make sure to tell Santa how good you where, maybe he'll get you that RAM you wanted. ;)
And for anyone who didn't think I could do it?
If you're interested in knowing how...
I switched the CMOS to the off position... waited 5 minutes, took out the battery and left it there over night.
IT WORKS! Thanks again.... What a Christmas present from JL.com, Free tech support! (And if you want to get technical you all saved me just about $60 and a very angry dad).
THANKS! Now I have to pack up because I didn't do it yesterday for obvious reasons (to busy getting this thing to work). As for overclocking... 1.6 Ghz is enough... I can live with it. No more hardware tweaking for me.
EDIT: I hope someone can learn from this. I had a close call. Someone else out there could actually fry their CPU. SMALL INCREMENTS IN SPEED! If you mess up... Just do what I did. And take it down a notch. But don't leave your computer on any longer than 10 seconds at a time when it's not working. It get's hot... really quickly.
andycrofts
12-24-2003, 01:06 PM
:D
Glad to be proved wrong!
-Andy
pvd212
12-24-2003, 01:16 PM
OK templest lets try this just for kick you know the battery right ,near it their should be a jumper called CMOS or password.if its not near it look for It all motherboards have it.its their Incas you lose your password or due something dumb .it resits your bios so once you fined it youll see it has no cot cot=the little back thing that are on some of the jumpers right OK.so what you want to do is put a cot on it turn the puter on wait a few turn it off then take the cot off the jumper and then turn the machine on and your done your bios should be back to stock but I don't know how much that's going to help depends on which way you overclockt your board if you did it through the bios common then it should work but if you did it through the motherboard this isn't going to help but try
also what type of proccesor do you have ?
pleas forgive spelling
pvd212
12-24-2003, 01:18 PM
i gues i am late though i should have read all the post
Fryguy8
12-24-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by andycrofts
Yep, a processor WILL break that fast.
Work colleague of mine overclocked 20%. CPU lasted about 3 minutes.
Y'see, when they make these CPU's with the different speeds, they actually are all the same. They test 'em, and whichever speed they pass tests at is the rating.
Now, one of the tests involves an infra-red camera, looking for hot spots. Won't hurt at 2.2 gigs, death at 2.5 gigs.
PS, - sure you realised, but processor IS CPU.
Yes, but this was instant, not 3 minutes... not even one minute, instant. Stuff like that doesn't happen with today's motherboards.
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
12-24-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Fryguy8
Yes, but this was instant, not 3 minutes... not even one minute, instant. Stuff like that doesn't happen with today's motherboards.
Yeah, it would take a little bit for the proc to succumb to heat. I remember overclocking an old T-Bird chip that I had. I got it up to 1705mhz, and it was able to boot (not run, but boot) Stupid me-- I tried to get it to 1725. The machine did just what templest's machine did. The only way I could fix it was resetting the CMOS jumper on the board.
gofigr
12-24-2003, 05:29 PM
when you pull the battery make sure the power cord is unplugged. then, just for kicks, hold the power button down for half a min.
bascule
12-24-2003, 05:40 PM
I hope someone can learn from this. I had a close call. Someone else out there could actually fry their CPU. SMALL INCREMENTS IN SPEED! If you mess up... Just do what I did. And take it down a notch. But don't leave your computer on any longer than 10 seconds at a time when it's not working. It get's hot... really quickly.
Best thing to do is find the health screen in the BIOS and watch the temperature climb, if it climbs too far turn it off, then start again..
(posted from a 21% overclocked P4 celeron 1.7 :) )
vader89
12-24-2003, 05:51 PM
Just out of curiosity... what kind of CPU do you have? You say you got it used... so how old is it? If it's something like an old AMD Duron then it's fairly cheap to replace. ;)
EDIT: never mind... I didn't read your whole first post...
u3mike
12-24-2003, 05:55 PM
If you really want ease in overclocking get a dual bios system. That way if one fails to kick in the other picks up for you.
But as far as frying cpu's, Pentiums will auto shutdown once passing a certian tempreture. And most modern motherboards for athlons will do the same thing for you.
And one thing, Oc'ing from 133 to 166 isn't something thats gonna happen to easy. If you really want to overclock you should go up slowly, but with a 133FSB never raise it higher then 149MHz unless you know what your getting into ;)
Lucas_Maximus
12-24-2003, 06:09 PM
if u change the speed of the cpu when overclocking it won't kill it, the OS won't boot, yes, the computer may not post, yes. It will only kill it if you up the vcore too high.
u3mike
12-24-2003, 06:21 PM
Or you over heat it by alot (100 C would probally melt the the socket itself) :P
Sepero
12-24-2003, 11:52 PM
Oh yeah, before you forget, templest... I am able to accept that $20 through paypal. ;) :D
hammer123
12-25-2003, 05:05 AM
Overclocking sounds cool. How do I get started overclocking my CPU? Will it be like when I overheated my brand new Geforce 4?
andycrofts
12-25-2003, 05:30 AM
I guess what actually happened was that the write speed of the processor was set above the max. write speed of the CMOS, and the tsetup, thold times were exceeded. So, it basically corrupted it.
Yep, I didn't realise/read enough to realise this happened instantly, not over a few minutes.
Mea culpa*.
-Andy
(*In this case, it means "what a prat!")
bandwidth_pig
12-25-2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Fryguy8
dude a processor isn't going to break that fast.
I actually fried my first Athlon in about 60 seconds if that. Didn't attach the heat sink correctly and she was toast.
templest
12-25-2003, 09:02 PM
Mea culpa
I am spanish, that sounds like portugese (but since your from finland I wouldn't know... it just sounds like something derived from latin ;) ) if i'm not mistaken, wouldn't that mean "My bad"? :cool: :cool: :cool:
Thanks again everyone, you've all been a great help. Right now I'm sipping on some egg-nog w/ rum and watching ol' christmas movies with the family. Merry Christmas and g'nite!
mmills
12-27-2003, 03:43 PM
overclocking can be good, if you can afford to rebuild your system. If not why edge on a bad situation, none the less your systemonly requires a "video" "memory" and "cpu" to boot up so disconnect all your cdrom's and hard drives and floppy drives and extras that you have, then pull the nickelbattery that powers the bios, theput it back in and re boot. when you re boot make sure you leave all you IDE cables seperated from the 40 pin ide slot's, when you pull the battery make sure your system is off. you can even pull all but one memory stick in the slot, this will slow down the power up and thought process of the BIOS, which you have overclocked.
need more help email sllimm@sbcglobal.net
roadkil34
01-04-2004, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by hammer123
Overclocking sounds cool. How do I get started overclocking my CPU? Will it be like when I overheated my brand new Geforce 4?
Im overclocked right now. If you have any questions about it, pm me, ill be glad to answer. Right now i have a XP 2100+ oc'ed from 1.74 to 2.21. and yeah, i do notice a big performance difference.
just so you know, you brought your fsb from 200mhz, the standard for your chip, to 333, which will make it so your computer cant boot up without raising the voltage. all i can say is, do your reading first. tis an important part to any overclock.
Source43.1
01-06-2004, 05:27 AM
LMAO @ all you smart ppl
there's no possible way he could have killed the cpu in that time. didn't he say it was an XP2000? if it is a Tbred B and not an A or a Palomino core, it will definitely overclock to 166fsb. it may just need some more vcore to do so that's all.
having said that, i doubt a tbred A or palomino core would take it
(my palomino XP2100 tops out at 142.7fsb on default vcore, and isnt really stable at that. 138 is stable)
as they've all said, small steps. if you go too far on the speed, its unlikely you'll fry anything, not quickly anyway. if you go too high on the vcore you'll burn the cpu though
if your pc doesnt like the fsb setting its on, usually clearing the bios will help
i have overclocked every system i have. i usually make a system fail to boot, or hang at some point, anything up to 100 times, while i tweak the settings
Ram CAS timings, fsb speed, cpu vcore, cpu multiplier, etc
how do you think overclockers find the limit of the components?
they overclock it till it hangs. then they throttle it back a little, raise the vcore a bit, then overclock till it hangs. once they get to a CPU temperature/vcore they decided was what they are comfortable running, and it runs, they run various stress tests. if the pc doesnt pass these, they throttle it back a tad. if it does, they leave it.
keeping the MHZ rating of the ram in the system in your mind is always wise. if the ram is rated at 133mhz, and you run it at 166, unless it is seriously good overclockers ram, expect problems.
Source43.1
01-06-2004, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by roadkil34
just so you know, you brought your fsb from 200mhz, the standard for your chip, to 333, .
wrong. the FSB of an XP2000 is 133mhz, or 266DDR
he raised to 166mhz, or 333DDR
i agree on the do your reading part though, i always spend many hours researching before attempting a serious overclock
blew the PSU in my DFI Infinity/xp1800@ 2475mhz set up. glad its a antec truepower and because antecs are uber-psu's it hasnt killed the rest of the pc
all are rock solid, tried and tested, prime95 torture tested for 1 week at these speeds. all run SETI@home 24/7.
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