Fedora Project

[hard candy]

I ran across this today, I had known about severn being the next beta release of Redhat but I didn't realize they had combined with the Fedora project. It is a project sponsored by Redhat and developed by the open source community to make a distro using free (as in speech or beer or both, I'm not sure) software. (I'm a little confused as I thought most distros already used open source software).
But I am downloading it to try it and report bugs and stuff. I figure here is an opportunity to relieve boredom and be useful at the same time. :)
Here's a link to the Objectives page, Objectives (http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html)
I'm using ncftp to download it off a mirror, but I know some of the mirror site allow web browser downloading. The main site was too busy to log in to today. The files are in the "beta" directory on the sites. They are called "severn".
Here is the download page, Downloads (http://fedora.redhat.com/download/)
Like I said, use mirror site unless you want to take a while to get connected. The downloads are 3 .iso files all of which are >600 MB.

[mart_man00]

Is there anything special about it? New anything?

I havnt heard much about it. Havnt found much on it either.

I tried to get a straight answer at #redhat, not even close....

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Any one find a good mirror? So far i cant get any decent speeds. I really wish i could get a local mirror, looks like they stopped....

[El_Cu_Guy]

The Fedora Project (http://fedora.redhat.com/)

The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software.

[hard candy]

I used the ftp://linux.nssi.noaa.gov/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386
link. The link doesn't work but choose this one from the mirro page.
I found out Fedora will use "yam" for rpm fetching and installing.

[mart_man00]

exclusively from free software
What was RedHat doing then?

RedHat Linux is free, their GUIs are too.

I really hate how they want us to pay for their updates. I pitch in something if i didnt hate the idea so much.

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kernel.org (ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/)'s is really good. I got 3 iso in around a hour. Slashdot was right:D

[hard candy]

From what I read this will be independent from Redhat, Inc. They are sponsoring it but will not distribute it. They will charge for commercial installations and commercial services. They said they will benefit from having more free developers from the community and their people can concentrate on the commercial side.

[saithan]

people too often mistake the idea that you have to pay for redhat updates.....
that is 100% untrue.

when registering your update agent leave the code # slot blank. this entitles you to the free service and ever quarter they ask you to fill out a poll style servey to keep your free account active.
"how dare they!"

the only other draw back is if you don't pay and their update servers get to much traffic you have to wait for the servers to be free. you don't wantto wait in line then pay for the upgrade service. in either case it is ok.

[mart_man00]

they ask you to fill out a poll style servey to keep your free account active.
I still dont like that.

Id like to keep acouple machines up to date(desktop, laptop and maybe in the near future firewall and data server).

Id like something where I can have my own Update Server and use it on my network(not a mirror, just packages my comps use). Redhat (seems) to offer something like this but its pricey.

Plus its not like they did much. They just made it a RPM, they didnt write anything(besides there GUIs). Why shoudl they profit? I might pay for better banwidth, but not what they have now.

Ill pay for what they make, not for what there ripping off.

[saithan]

then install yum and setup your own repository.

[Icarus]

They way I see the whole Red Hat/Fedora thing is this...

Fedora will be the new name for the downloadable and freely distributed version of Red Hat and Red Hat will be able to focus on Red Hat Enterprise

From the press release I read from Red Hat, the merger is very recent (weeks) so the release of Severn over the summer was intended to be a Red Hat release but with this merger they are pushing most (if not all) of their desktop support over to Fedora, leaving Red Hat free to work on the server package.

(plus the graphical boot is a nice touch ;) )

[mart_man00]

sorry to be alittle off topic here

then install yum and setup your own repository.
YUM will let me do a 'updat server'?

One computer will know whats on all the others(and itself) and then download the updates for all of them? The othyer just run rpm from the NFS?

That would be great...


Redhat is abandoning us:( I liked theme too

[bosox79]

Originally posted by mart_man00
sorry to be alittle off topic here


YUM will let me do a 'updat server'?

One computer will know whats on all the others(and itself) and then download the updates for all of them? The othyer just run rpm from the NFS?

That would be great...


Redhat is abandoning us:( I liked theme too

yes yum will allow you to update packages just like RHN does or you could even use apt4rpm with synaptic. you just need to setup your sources list check my sig for apt & do a G4L or forum search for info about YUM :) & I think Fedora will be a good thing. Fedora may become the home desktop that RH could not:D

[hard candy]

Just installed Fedora. Everything went smooth, unlike RH9 my video card, a Nvidia FX5200, was recognized and I could do a graphical install. (Unlike RH9)
It even installed an "Athlon" kernel. At least it flashed it was installing "kernel-2.4.22.***-Athlon" during the installation.
No problems with network, worked right away.
Output of "uname -r"= 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl

Output of "uname -a"= Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:36:40 EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
On the whole a pleasant experience. By the way, what does the "nptl" after the kernel mean?

[bosox79]

Originally posted by hard candy
Just installed Fedora. Everything went smooth, unlike RH9 my video card, a Nvidia FX5200, was recognized and I could do a graphical install. (Unlike RH9)
It even installed an "Athlon" kernel. At least it flashed it was installing "kernel-2.4.22.***-Athlon" during the installation.
No problems with network, worked right away.
Output of "uname -r"= 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl

Output of "uname -a"= Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:36:40 EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
On the whole a pleasant experience. By the way, what does the "nptl" after the kernel mean?

I am no coder but from what I read here The Native POSIX Thread Library (http://lwn.net/Articles/10710/) & from these G4L Results (http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=what+is+NPTL+%28Native%0D%0A++++++++POSIX+Thread +Library%29&btnG=Google+Search)

it helps allocate kernel address space for applications and improves performance, please feel free to let me know if I am way off base
;)