serz
06-07-2003, 02:14 PM
Start with Mandrake, or Redhat.
Click to See Complete Forum and Search --> : Which Distro?
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 02:18 PM
I hesitate to respond to you since I have roots in the beautiful United Kingdom, but where in the hell did I say I was a skript kiddie??? I have several books that are 500+ pages long that I plan to read regarding hacking. I am currently learning C++ and trashing windows for linux. I tried to make it clear that I wasn't going to download drippers and wincrack and call myself a hacker. I am learning codes and REAL hacking techniques. Thanks to all the crap you hypocrites and ego-maniacs have given me I've found a new forum that actually HELPS me. I'd think that linux users, even though there are distro wars, would actually form a community. Instead there's a &$@%in civil war going on in here. For anyone that wants help, not flames from all these "pros", go to www.linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org) . They people there will actually help you. By the way, thanks to all 2 of you that actually helped me.
ricstr
06-07-2003, 02:26 PM
Slackware: http://www.slackware.org/
ven0m
06-07-2003, 02:33 PM
newbie hacker
thats a classic monty python, funny hele, funny hala moment:D
thats a classic monty python, funny hele, funny hala moment:D
je_fro
06-07-2003, 02:43 PM
I just put Gentoo on a Toshiba Satellite 1555 CDS, and it was kind of tricky. Let me know if you get stuck....
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 02:44 PM
"hacker in training", "person doing a sh-t load of research to learn about hacking", "newbie that is learning about hacking". Hmmm...it looks like its a lot easier to say "newbie hacker" and still get my point across. Oh but wait, this isn't a linux community, this is a massive flame orgy of egotistical hypocritical elitists...... my mistake, I thought I typed in the web address of a linux help forum.
xxispawn01xx
06-07-2003, 02:53 PM
pleasenoflames i cant really blame you, and yes newbiehacker does exist i am one as well its someone who's very new to hacking, knows what basic things are but not too specific, but a lot of knowledge.
Don't listen to these faggots, even when they are mean and wrong they never seem to shutup, just keep your grades p in school and go to Cambridge school teachs a lot of ****t after high school :) The people on these forums if they are mean you know they are losers in life. If they can't help or influcence you "just **** off" is how I would say it, dont make things worse, if you want to meet up and discuss hacking, it would be cool two newbie hackers :)
Don't listen to these faggots, even when they are mean and wrong they never seem to shutup, just keep your grades p in school and go to Cambridge school teachs a lot of ****t after high school :) The people on these forums if they are mean you know they are losers in life. If they can't help or influcence you "just **** off" is how I would say it, dont make things worse, if you want to meet up and discuss hacking, it would be cool two newbie hackers :)
ven0m
06-07-2003, 02:59 PM
I am currently learning C++ and trashing windows for linux. I tried to make it clear that I wasn't going to download drippers and wincrack and call myself a hacker. I am learning codes and REAL hacking techniques.
So your telling me that your not going to use software like "drippers and wincrack" and wright scripts, even tho they might get you into a system easier and faster, than say, other "REAL hacking techniques"?
It's not how you get into a system, it's the fact your IN that matters.
and...
I hesitate to respond to you since I have roots in the beautiful United Kingdom
Why?
So your telling me that your not going to use software like "drippers and wincrack" and wright scripts, even tho they might get you into a system easier and faster, than say, other "REAL hacking techniques"?
It's not how you get into a system, it's the fact your IN that matters.
and...
I hesitate to respond to you since I have roots in the beautiful United Kingdom
Why?
ashibaka
06-07-2003, 03:02 PM
Unfortunately, the only kind of black hat hacker is the kiddie... although you appear to have ditched "skript kiddie", you are now clinging on to "hardk0re kiddie" as if it were any more mature.
Come on... you want to be a security manager, not a "hacker".
Come on... you want to be a security manager, not a "hacker".
cjanscen
06-07-2003, 03:13 PM
You're are never going to be a hacker because a "hacking-inclined" person would know how to use google at the very least, and not post psuedo-troll posts on a linux forum. Obviously you know enough about computers to know that alternative OS's exist, and that Linux is one of the best, but not enough to spend ten minutes and research?
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by ven0m
It's not how you get into a system, it's the fact your IN that matters.
Its said that I am the newbie here and I can correct you, the person that apparently coined and defined the term "script kiddie" and "hacker". It does in fact very MUCH depend on how you get into a system. Once you're in, you can have your IP address all over the place and your tracks everywhere, or you could be stealth and completely invisible. You have a better chance of being stealth if you do everything DIY, but if you download some program off the web, you are only as stealth as the program make you. Also, the fun of hacking (as I have read) is getting into the system yourself, not relying on some random person's program to get you in. How much talent does it take to download a program and click some buttons? If you call THAT hacking, then I have no respect for your kinds of hackers, and, needless to say, I have absolutely no respect for you. Once again, the word hypocrite describes you flawlessly.
It's not how you get into a system, it's the fact your IN that matters.
Its said that I am the newbie here and I can correct you, the person that apparently coined and defined the term "script kiddie" and "hacker". It does in fact very MUCH depend on how you get into a system. Once you're in, you can have your IP address all over the place and your tracks everywhere, or you could be stealth and completely invisible. You have a better chance of being stealth if you do everything DIY, but if you download some program off the web, you are only as stealth as the program make you. Also, the fun of hacking (as I have read) is getting into the system yourself, not relying on some random person's program to get you in. How much talent does it take to download a program and click some buttons? If you call THAT hacking, then I have no respect for your kinds of hackers, and, needless to say, I have absolutely no respect for you. Once again, the word hypocrite describes you flawlessly.
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by cjanscen
You're are never going to be a hacker because a "hacking-inclined" person would know how to use google at the very least, and not post psuedo-troll posts on a linux forum. Obviously you know enough about computers to know that alternative OS's exist, and that Linux is one of the best, but not enough to spend ten minutes and research?
I did indeed use google for research, but since most linux users have their own favorite distro, all the answers were biased. I decided since this is a linux HELP forum, that I would toss the question out there (even though I already read the ones already posted on here) about a hacking distro. You guys only worried about my definition of hacking and the use of the word "hacker" without answering my question. It seems to me that you don't KNOW any hacking pros and cons of distros. Instead, since I'm a newbie, you thought you would look cool by harassing me about my use of words. I have spent hours of research about distros, but since I'm new to linux, some answers didn't make much sense to me (oh look, I'm actually admitting that I don't know alot about linux, it probably wouldn't KILL YOU FOR YOU TO SAY THE SAME THING). I posted the question on here to get good, clear answers in plain English. But if you look at the posts that have followed my original question, you'll see that a few people have answered my question and helped me, some have thrown out random distro names w/o an explanation, and the rest have TRIED to accomplish something by criticising my word use. IF ANYONE WANTS HELP WITH LINUX, GO TO linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org) . They will actually help you since they have a great knowledge of Linux and they aren't trying to prove how "cool" they are by trashing newbies.
You're are never going to be a hacker because a "hacking-inclined" person would know how to use google at the very least, and not post psuedo-troll posts on a linux forum. Obviously you know enough about computers to know that alternative OS's exist, and that Linux is one of the best, but not enough to spend ten minutes and research?
I did indeed use google for research, but since most linux users have their own favorite distro, all the answers were biased. I decided since this is a linux HELP forum, that I would toss the question out there (even though I already read the ones already posted on here) about a hacking distro. You guys only worried about my definition of hacking and the use of the word "hacker" without answering my question. It seems to me that you don't KNOW any hacking pros and cons of distros. Instead, since I'm a newbie, you thought you would look cool by harassing me about my use of words. I have spent hours of research about distros, but since I'm new to linux, some answers didn't make much sense to me (oh look, I'm actually admitting that I don't know alot about linux, it probably wouldn't KILL YOU FOR YOU TO SAY THE SAME THING). I posted the question on here to get good, clear answers in plain English. But if you look at the posts that have followed my original question, you'll see that a few people have answered my question and helped me, some have thrown out random distro names w/o an explanation, and the rest have TRIED to accomplish something by criticising my word use. IF ANYONE WANTS HELP WITH LINUX, GO TO linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org) . They will actually help you since they have a great knowledge of Linux and they aren't trying to prove how "cool" they are by trashing newbies.
ven0m
06-07-2003, 03:29 PM
It does in fact very MUCH depend on how you get into a system. Once you're in, you can have your IP address all over the place and your tracks everywhere, or you could be stealth and completely invisible.
yes i know that, but why limit the tools that you can use, just because you don't think that there not professional enough.
Also it depends on what and who you are hacking, if your launching an attack off an unsuspecting end users machine (i.e. an idiot that has trouble in stalling a windows program, let alone check his system logs) it'll be there ip address that gets logged not yours! and you can spend more time cleaning up because they don't have a clue what has happened. So you can use (as you call it) unprofessional methods to get into a lay users system you, then use your so called stealth tactics to hit your real target.
yes i know that, but why limit the tools that you can use, just because you don't think that there not professional enough.
Also it depends on what and who you are hacking, if your launching an attack off an unsuspecting end users machine (i.e. an idiot that has trouble in stalling a windows program, let alone check his system logs) it'll be there ip address that gets logged not yours! and you can spend more time cleaning up because they don't have a clue what has happened. So you can use (as you call it) unprofessional methods to get into a lay users system you, then use your so called stealth tactics to hit your real target.
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by ven0m
yes i know that, but why limit the tools that you can use, just because you don't think that there not professional enough.
Also it depends on what and who you are hacking, if your launching an attack off an unsuspecting end users machine (i.e. an idiot that has trouble in stalling a windows program, let alone check his system logs) it'll be there ip address that gets logged not yours! and you can spend more time cleaning up because they don't have a clue what has happened. So you can use (as you call it) unprofessional methods to get into a lay users system you, then use your so called stealth tactics to hit your real target.
I agree. It does matter, as you said, what system you're getting into. I don't mean to say "unprofessioal" methods, but some tools can be risky if you are getting into a system with significant security. Hey look, WE AGREED!
yes i know that, but why limit the tools that you can use, just because you don't think that there not professional enough.
Also it depends on what and who you are hacking, if your launching an attack off an unsuspecting end users machine (i.e. an idiot that has trouble in stalling a windows program, let alone check his system logs) it'll be there ip address that gets logged not yours! and you can spend more time cleaning up because they don't have a clue what has happened. So you can use (as you call it) unprofessional methods to get into a lay users system you, then use your so called stealth tactics to hit your real target.
I agree. It does matter, as you said, what system you're getting into. I don't mean to say "unprofessioal" methods, but some tools can be risky if you are getting into a system with significant security. Hey look, WE AGREED!
ven0m
06-07-2003, 03:49 PM
Also...
I have given you an answer to your question, I said:
So you wanna become another script kiddie (as if we don't have enough to worry about).
If your a wannabe hacker why don't you try FreeBSD
www.freebsd.org
another good site
www.insecure.org
Then take a look at the Hacking exposed books
Now, if in your first post you would have said:
I'm a newbie to linux but i have done some extensive research into hacking, can you help me on finding a distro?
You would of gotten some better answers. But you said your a newbie hacker (that still makes me laugh, but back to the point) and so the good people on this site thought your a newbie to hacking also, but we find out later in your post you DO know something about hacking?
And if that was that case my fist reply would have been:
FreeBSD is a good hacking distro because... blah... blah... blah.
and I wouldn't of posted the link and the book reference!!!!!!!!
I have given you an answer to your question, I said:
So you wanna become another script kiddie (as if we don't have enough to worry about).
If your a wannabe hacker why don't you try FreeBSD
www.freebsd.org
another good site
www.insecure.org
Then take a look at the Hacking exposed books
Now, if in your first post you would have said:
I'm a newbie to linux but i have done some extensive research into hacking, can you help me on finding a distro?
You would of gotten some better answers. But you said your a newbie hacker (that still makes me laugh, but back to the point) and so the good people on this site thought your a newbie to hacking also, but we find out later in your post you DO know something about hacking?
And if that was that case my fist reply would have been:
FreeBSD is a good hacking distro because... blah... blah... blah.
and I wouldn't of posted the link and the book reference!!!!!!!!
deanrantala
06-07-2003, 03:52 PM
PleaseNoFlames:
Don't take averything these people say too hard. I Have learned myself that you will find many people who have the "linux supremo" atitude. There are lots of poeple here who are nice and willing to help. I have used linux as my main OS since last year, and it I also wish M$ would go bankrupt (because, as a PC repair tech, that would reduce the volume of windows machines I would be forced to work with a day :) )
I have installed Mandrake, Red Hat, Lycoris, Slack, And Lindows. Here is what I can give you from My EXPIRIENCE....
RED HAT 9:
Good distro, with "server" in mind. Does lack a great deal of Multimedia support though. It is easy, but not as fun if you want to start playing some MP3's or DVD's "out of the box. It can be one of the faster running distros for older pentium class PC's, however wich is a strong point.
MANDRAKE 9.1:
Beutiful eye candy. Latest Gnome, and KDE desktops. Superior user freindly features with top notch Multimedia.(I hear Suse is supposed to be as nice, if someone could tell me where to download a free copy - not just a live eval, it would be nice as I have been dying too try it out) It is not quite as fast "out of the box" without some minor tweaking and can be a recource hog with KDE and Gnome (on systems with less than 96 megs ram and anything slower than, oh, 400 MHz)Also features *the* best installation setup I've seen yet. It includes vast selection of included software - highly recomended for first timers with fast PC's.
SLACKWARE 9:
Now I haven't spent as much time *using* it as I have spent installing it, but this is what I can tell you. It is *fast*. Not real easy to set up(especially for a first timer) but not impossible, and you coulp probably get the help you need setting it up from many people here. It definately lets you get your hands dirty, but once again, you can't argue with it's performance. Also includes a good selection of multimedia software and other general purpose software.
LYCORIS DESKTOP LS:
Another distro with very nice setup(even lets you play solitaire while it installs the OS - a nice touch) and an interface (based on kde) that rings a sort or windows familiarality. Also *very* easy to configure and manage, and comes with a good solid selection of multimedia and productivity software. It includes step by step wizzards for many common tasks as does mandrake, and is RPM based (as red hat and mandrake are) wich makes software installation a little easier on your life. It is, however, a substantial slug on most any machine slower than 650-750 MHz, otherwise runs fine on anything faster (if someone knows something about this, drop me a line!)
LINDOWS:
Can be probably the linux distro that ends up bringing many Windows users to linux. Includes a good software selection and a "click and run" software installation routine that is very nice. Installation time takes about 8 minutes (that isn't a typo: it IS only 8 minutes!) and very easy. Downside is you pay for upgrades and the "click and run", wich might not save you money in the end. It does run fine (speed wise) on machines as low as 350-400 MHz(with at *least* 64 meg ram)
and also, I haven't tried them yet, but customers tell me:
Debian is a nice distro that has has a "ports style" software installation routine. While I have never had chance to use Debian, I hear (from many) that it can be somewhat difficult to install, but VERY easy to mantain, once it is up and running. I do know it includes a comprehensive selection of software.
I hear Gentoo is somewhat like Debian(please no flames on this) in many ways, and also has a good software bundle. Setup is supposed to be much easier than Debian from what I hear(though you might want to check that out since I've never used it), and mantainance is about as easy as RH.
I run Mandrake 9.1 on a dual AMD 2 Ghz custom machine with the works. It is exceptionally nice. I also have an old P200 running Slack, wich is sometimes almost as quick as my custom machine with many routine things, though it is a pain an the arse to mantain at times. Then again, I can't complain since it does seem to be geared for speed.
Let me know if this helps you out any, and do check out some of the forums for more info (especially on the ones I have never uesd since that info is only based on what I am told), and welcome to the linux community.
ps: welcome to the underground - we all started somewhere.
Don't take averything these people say too hard. I Have learned myself that you will find many people who have the "linux supremo" atitude. There are lots of poeple here who are nice and willing to help. I have used linux as my main OS since last year, and it I also wish M$ would go bankrupt (because, as a PC repair tech, that would reduce the volume of windows machines I would be forced to work with a day :) )
I have installed Mandrake, Red Hat, Lycoris, Slack, And Lindows. Here is what I can give you from My EXPIRIENCE....
RED HAT 9:
Good distro, with "server" in mind. Does lack a great deal of Multimedia support though. It is easy, but not as fun if you want to start playing some MP3's or DVD's "out of the box. It can be one of the faster running distros for older pentium class PC's, however wich is a strong point.
MANDRAKE 9.1:
Beutiful eye candy. Latest Gnome, and KDE desktops. Superior user freindly features with top notch Multimedia.(I hear Suse is supposed to be as nice, if someone could tell me where to download a free copy - not just a live eval, it would be nice as I have been dying too try it out) It is not quite as fast "out of the box" without some minor tweaking and can be a recource hog with KDE and Gnome (on systems with less than 96 megs ram and anything slower than, oh, 400 MHz)Also features *the* best installation setup I've seen yet. It includes vast selection of included software - highly recomended for first timers with fast PC's.
SLACKWARE 9:
Now I haven't spent as much time *using* it as I have spent installing it, but this is what I can tell you. It is *fast*. Not real easy to set up(especially for a first timer) but not impossible, and you coulp probably get the help you need setting it up from many people here. It definately lets you get your hands dirty, but once again, you can't argue with it's performance. Also includes a good selection of multimedia software and other general purpose software.
LYCORIS DESKTOP LS:
Another distro with very nice setup(even lets you play solitaire while it installs the OS - a nice touch) and an interface (based on kde) that rings a sort or windows familiarality. Also *very* easy to configure and manage, and comes with a good solid selection of multimedia and productivity software. It includes step by step wizzards for many common tasks as does mandrake, and is RPM based (as red hat and mandrake are) wich makes software installation a little easier on your life. It is, however, a substantial slug on most any machine slower than 650-750 MHz, otherwise runs fine on anything faster (if someone knows something about this, drop me a line!)
LINDOWS:
Can be probably the linux distro that ends up bringing many Windows users to linux. Includes a good software selection and a "click and run" software installation routine that is very nice. Installation time takes about 8 minutes (that isn't a typo: it IS only 8 minutes!) and very easy. Downside is you pay for upgrades and the "click and run", wich might not save you money in the end. It does run fine (speed wise) on machines as low as 350-400 MHz(with at *least* 64 meg ram)
and also, I haven't tried them yet, but customers tell me:
Debian is a nice distro that has has a "ports style" software installation routine. While I have never had chance to use Debian, I hear (from many) that it can be somewhat difficult to install, but VERY easy to mantain, once it is up and running. I do know it includes a comprehensive selection of software.
I hear Gentoo is somewhat like Debian(please no flames on this) in many ways, and also has a good software bundle. Setup is supposed to be much easier than Debian from what I hear(though you might want to check that out since I've never used it), and mantainance is about as easy as RH.
I run Mandrake 9.1 on a dual AMD 2 Ghz custom machine with the works. It is exceptionally nice. I also have an old P200 running Slack, wich is sometimes almost as quick as my custom machine with many routine things, though it is a pain an the arse to mantain at times. Then again, I can't complain since it does seem to be geared for speed.
Let me know if this helps you out any, and do check out some of the forums for more info (especially on the ones I have never uesd since that info is only based on what I am told), and welcome to the linux community.
ps: welcome to the underground - we all started somewhere.
sharth
06-07-2003, 04:17 PM
well, i took hacker as the sense where you want to become quite knowledgable about linux (or whatever), so I suggested some of the more difficult distros where you would also get some ability to install what you wanted as well as get a decent system running.
Now if you want to crack sites, then it really doesn't matter what distro you use...
if you want to crack yourself, then go with slack, gentoo, debian, or lfs or something along those lines.
Now if you want to crack sites, then it really doesn't matter what distro you use...
if you want to crack yourself, then go with slack, gentoo, debian, or lfs or something along those lines.
jlmb
06-07-2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by ven0m
And if that was that case my fist reply would have been:
FreeBSD is a good hacking distro because... blah... blah... blah.
and I wouldn't of posted the link and the book reference!!!!!!!!
And what would that "blah...blah...blah" mean????, i sure wanna know.
And if that was that case my fist reply would have been:
FreeBSD is a good hacking distro because... blah... blah... blah.
and I wouldn't of posted the link and the book reference!!!!!!!!
And what would that "blah...blah...blah" mean????, i sure wanna know.
ven0m
06-07-2003, 04:57 PM
www.google.com/bsd (http://www.google.com/bsd) :D
In my opinion FreeBSD is a good distro for pleasenoflames because:
1. his lower spec machine.
2. FreeBSD is very fast and can handle more heavy duty networking traffic IMO.
3. I was also going to suggest (after getting used to FreeBSD) install OpenBSD on another machine, as OpenBSD is the most secure system out of the box, and then try to hack that. But as he said he's a newbie to this I thought it might be better to install FreeBSD instead of OpenBSD, as OpenBSD is harder to install than FreeBSD.
4. most of the networking apps in Linux originated from BSD, also it handles more like a *nix system (good knowledge for hacking servers like BSD, solaris, etc...)
5. FreeBSD is one of the best system for up times and stability. (yes ever better than Linux)
But I still want to know.
I hesitate to respond to you since I have roots in the beautiful United Kingdom
WHY?
In my opinion FreeBSD is a good distro for pleasenoflames because:
1. his lower spec machine.
2. FreeBSD is very fast and can handle more heavy duty networking traffic IMO.
3. I was also going to suggest (after getting used to FreeBSD) install OpenBSD on another machine, as OpenBSD is the most secure system out of the box, and then try to hack that. But as he said he's a newbie to this I thought it might be better to install FreeBSD instead of OpenBSD, as OpenBSD is harder to install than FreeBSD.
4. most of the networking apps in Linux originated from BSD, also it handles more like a *nix system (good knowledge for hacking servers like BSD, solaris, etc...)
5. FreeBSD is one of the best system for up times and stability. (yes ever better than Linux)
But I still want to know.
I hesitate to respond to you since I have roots in the beautiful United Kingdom
WHY?
je_fro
06-07-2003, 05:06 PM
Maybe that means I'm getting old...
Anyway, it seems to me that the term hacker is like a 'title' or a 'compliment' that is bestowed upon someone. He who claims to be a hacker, just wants to be a hacker....
I am not a computer hacker, but I can tell you this: If you're considering accessing systems w/o permission, go ahead and pick out your favorite inmate ID #, because you'll be getting one someday. You will go to prison, no matter what color you think your hat is.
Hopefully, I didn't need to point that out...
Google Eric Raymond and see what he says about hacking.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/
Anyway, it seems to me that the term hacker is like a 'title' or a 'compliment' that is bestowed upon someone. He who claims to be a hacker, just wants to be a hacker....
I am not a computer hacker, but I can tell you this: If you're considering accessing systems w/o permission, go ahead and pick out your favorite inmate ID #, because you'll be getting one someday. You will go to prison, no matter what color you think your hat is.
Hopefully, I didn't need to point that out...
Google Eric Raymond and see what he says about hacking.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 05:07 PM
I said the whole UK thing because I'm from the UK and I miss it dearly and I didn't want to get into a heated convo with a person from it. Also, I can't say that I have ever heard of FreeBSD. Did you say it is not a linux OS?
je_fro
06-07-2003, 05:12 PM
If you're distro shopping, you'll find that the only difference between distros is package mgmt. That's about it.
I like the BSD idea.
I like the BSD idea.
ven0m
06-07-2003, 05:15 PM
Also, I can't say that I have ever heard of FreeBSD. Did you say it is not a linux OS?
yes your right it isn't a linux os but a *nix OS, but you should really look into it if your going into the hacking profession.
yes your right it isn't a linux os but a *nix OS, but you should really look into it if your going into the hacking profession.
ricstr
06-07-2003, 05:22 PM
PleaseNoFlames: If you looking for a linux distro then quit arguing with people and go and intstall slackware. Slackware will allow you the most control over your system.
http://slackware.org/
http://slackware.org/
Gertrude
06-07-2003, 05:25 PM
PleaseNoFlames:
I suggest just downloading several different distros, use one for a few weeks then switch to something else if you get board of it , and then try something else. Do that for a while till you find something you like, and are happy with. There are tons of people using different distros, just find one you are happy with and stick with it.. Learning to hack or becomming a hacker doesnt have so much to do with the distro you are using as it does with just a general curiosity of learning how things work. Im currently running Debian, FreeBSD, and Gentoo, all of with are good choices, but you may wanna try RedHat first, just because the initial setup will mostly be taken care of for you. No one distro will make you a better hacker than another. Its all Linux under the hood, just some provide differnet applications on a default install, and some kernel tweeks.
I suggest just downloading several different distros, use one for a few weeks then switch to something else if you get board of it , and then try something else. Do that for a while till you find something you like, and are happy with. There are tons of people using different distros, just find one you are happy with and stick with it.. Learning to hack or becomming a hacker doesnt have so much to do with the distro you are using as it does with just a general curiosity of learning how things work. Im currently running Debian, FreeBSD, and Gentoo, all of with are good choices, but you may wanna try RedHat first, just because the initial setup will mostly be taken care of for you. No one distro will make you a better hacker than another. Its all Linux under the hood, just some provide differnet applications on a default install, and some kernel tweeks.
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 05:35 PM
Gertrude:
So the distros are different straight out of the box, but essentially they're all the same??? Also, how do you like FreeBSD compared to your other Linux distros???? I have a dialup modem, so its not like I can really just download a distro everyother day for fun, so I'm trying to get the most info I can about them then choose one. Thanks for your patience.
So the distros are different straight out of the box, but essentially they're all the same??? Also, how do you like FreeBSD compared to your other Linux distros???? I have a dialup modem, so its not like I can really just download a distro everyother day for fun, so I'm trying to get the most info I can about them then choose one. Thanks for your patience.
Gertrude
06-07-2003, 05:48 PM
Well like I said I would choose RedHat, that was also the first one I used. Yes they are in a way all the same, any application that can be put on one distro can usually be put on another with a few exeptions. FreeBSD is fine, I wouldnt recomend using it though for your first attempt with a *nix based OS. Just because the install isnt as point and click and RedHats would be. You could always pruchase a distro as well if you dont feel like downloading it, When I had dial up I got 3 Debian CDs for 5$.
joesbox
06-07-2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by je_fro
Maybe that means I'm getting old...
Anyway, it seems to me that the term hacker is like a 'title' or a 'compliment' that is bestowed upon someone. He who claims to be a hacker, just wants to be a hacker....
I am not a computer hacker, but I can tell you this: If you're considering accessing systems w/o permission, go ahead and pick out your favorite inmate ID #, because you'll be getting one someday. You will go to prison, no matter what color you think your hat is.
Hopefully, I didn't need to point that out...
Google Eric Raymond and see what he says about hacking.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/
i have to agree with you je_fro
i think that these nice people are confused as to the terms that they are using. i thought PleaseNoFlames was out to help the community. by that i mean find a project and help out by imporving the code. then i read thru this thread and see that he/she wants to actually be a "cracker". i follow the same guidelines as Mr Raymond. i personanlly don't like crackers. i don't invest my time into trying to get into/attack someone elses computer. now if PleaseNoFlames is looking to do this purely for educational purposes or to get one of those cool jobs that i see on tv where businesses pay you to crack their security (and tell them where the holes are) then go for it. i am a firm believer in gaining knowledge. but i ask that you (PleaseNoFlames) don't be one of those people that attack computers to see what you can do or to be naughty. that is all i have to say about that.
ps. here is the link to the article at Mr. Raymonds site.
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
Maybe that means I'm getting old...
Anyway, it seems to me that the term hacker is like a 'title' or a 'compliment' that is bestowed upon someone. He who claims to be a hacker, just wants to be a hacker....
I am not a computer hacker, but I can tell you this: If you're considering accessing systems w/o permission, go ahead and pick out your favorite inmate ID #, because you'll be getting one someday. You will go to prison, no matter what color you think your hat is.
Hopefully, I didn't need to point that out...
Google Eric Raymond and see what he says about hacking.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/
i have to agree with you je_fro
i think that these nice people are confused as to the terms that they are using. i thought PleaseNoFlames was out to help the community. by that i mean find a project and help out by imporving the code. then i read thru this thread and see that he/she wants to actually be a "cracker". i follow the same guidelines as Mr Raymond. i personanlly don't like crackers. i don't invest my time into trying to get into/attack someone elses computer. now if PleaseNoFlames is looking to do this purely for educational purposes or to get one of those cool jobs that i see on tv where businesses pay you to crack their security (and tell them where the holes are) then go for it. i am a firm believer in gaining knowledge. but i ask that you (PleaseNoFlames) don't be one of those people that attack computers to see what you can do or to be naughty. that is all i have to say about that.
ps. here is the link to the article at Mr. Raymonds site.
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
PleaseNoFlames
06-07-2003, 06:14 PM
Well I'm trying to learn all this hacking stuff to expad my knowledge of computers and because I can get a job at Emerson electric in the software/firewall developement department through on of my friends. So, actually I want to hack to do what you said, help, NOT HURT, the community. I can't stand black hat hackers. And if I knew one on here, I wouldn't want anyone to give them info either!
mage492
06-07-2003, 06:44 PM
Well, since you don't mean any harm, I can give you MY advice. (Look at my post count and decide for yourself how valuable it is.)
Try out a live cd-based distro, like Knoppix (which I haven't tried, yet), or Morphix (currently, my favorite distro), which is based on it. I've heard they work really well for stuff like sniffing stations. From a self-defense point of view, it can be VERY useful. It can be useful in other ways, as well. If you're interested in doing corporate security tests, distros like these can be used to check for open ports and stuff. MuLinux can also be useful.
The place I usually go to look at various distros is linux.org . However, the link for Knoppix is www.knoppix.com , and for Moprhix, it's www.morphix.org .
Try out a live cd-based distro, like Knoppix (which I haven't tried, yet), or Morphix (currently, my favorite distro), which is based on it. I've heard they work really well for stuff like sniffing stations. From a self-defense point of view, it can be VERY useful. It can be useful in other ways, as well. If you're interested in doing corporate security tests, distros like these can be used to check for open ports and stuff. MuLinux can also be useful.
The place I usually go to look at various distros is linux.org . However, the link for Knoppix is www.knoppix.com , and for Moprhix, it's www.morphix.org .
ven0m
06-07-2003, 06:55 PM
Well I'm trying to learn all this hacking stuff to expad my knowledge of computers and because I can get a job at Emerson electric in the software/firewall developement department through on of my friends.
:confused: I'm puzzled to why you posted this thread in the first place then. If your friend can get you a job in software/firewall development, he must know the best OS/software for you to start using.:confused:
Originally posted by Gertrude
Well like I said I would choose RedHat, that was also the first one I used.
I also started with Redhat, and still use it as my file server at work, but I think slack would be best for a Linux newbie like PleaseNoFlames with his machine spec (I said Linux, please don't try to contradict me about what I said earlier about BSD. I still think you should give it a go though).
:confused: I'm puzzled to why you posted this thread in the first place then. If your friend can get you a job in software/firewall development, he must know the best OS/software for you to start using.:confused:
Originally posted by Gertrude
Well like I said I would choose RedHat, that was also the first one I used.
I also started with Redhat, and still use it as my file server at work, but I think slack would be best for a Linux newbie like PleaseNoFlames with his machine spec (I said Linux, please don't try to contradict me about what I said earlier about BSD. I still think you should give it a go though).
YingYang
06-07-2003, 07:56 PM
Hacking debates suck...if you've read one then you've read them all. I'm not a hacker and don't wish to be a hacker, depending on how you define the word...isn't breaking into systems cracking?
My goal in life is to be a very good computer enthusiast, whether that is a good programmer or knowing the linux system inside out. Either way i want to be good at whatever i do.
My advice is if you wish to be a hacker (cracker), then to break into a system running some sort of *nix then you need to know the operating system. If you manage to get in, you'll end up sitting in some directory not knowing which way to turn so to speak...which i would say is quite dangerous.
So my suggestion is drop the word hacker and keep to newbie. If you want to keep the word hacker and really want to hack then hack away at linux first, actually hack away at lots of things, various programming languages and operating systems. Then when you fully understand them, then you can have a bash at someone elses (in an expert and professional manner).
Well that's my two cents worth...Now off to find something interesting to read.
Cheers..
YingYang
My goal in life is to be a very good computer enthusiast, whether that is a good programmer or knowing the linux system inside out. Either way i want to be good at whatever i do.
My advice is if you wish to be a hacker (cracker), then to break into a system running some sort of *nix then you need to know the operating system. If you manage to get in, you'll end up sitting in some directory not knowing which way to turn so to speak...which i would say is quite dangerous.
So my suggestion is drop the word hacker and keep to newbie. If you want to keep the word hacker and really want to hack then hack away at linux first, actually hack away at lots of things, various programming languages and operating systems. Then when you fully understand them, then you can have a bash at someone elses (in an expert and professional manner).
Well that's my two cents worth...Now off to find something interesting to read.
Cheers..
YingYang
xxispawn01xx
06-07-2003, 07:57 PM
im gonna learn to hack anyone who tells me to loook at freakin google one more time man! i can get tutorials off google, but i want to know from those who have experience
myshkin
06-07-2003, 08:07 PM
wow! this thread made top 10 in a day!! bravo PleaseNoFlames!! i wish i get that many response to help topics that i created. :(
je_fro
06-07-2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by xxispawn01xx
im gonna learn to hack anyone who tells me to loook at freakin google one more time man! i can get tutorials off google, but i want to know from those who have experience
Hmm.....
welcome to my IGNORE list.
Good luck, junior.
:rolleyes:
im gonna learn to hack anyone who tells me to loook at freakin google one more time man! i can get tutorials off google, but i want to know from those who have experience
Hmm.....
welcome to my IGNORE list.
Good luck, junior.
:rolleyes:
endoalpha
06-07-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by xxispawn01xx
im gonna learn to hack anyone who tells me to loook at freakin google one more time man! i can get tutorials off google, but i want to know from those who have experience
Maybe you want to know the super secret password that is a surfire backdoor to all systems? I usually sell that password, but I will give it out here. There are actually two:
xyzzy and plugh. Any older hacker should know what/where these come from.
im gonna learn to hack anyone who tells me to loook at freakin google one more time man! i can get tutorials off google, but i want to know from those who have experience
Maybe you want to know the super secret password that is a surfire backdoor to all systems? I usually sell that password, but I will give it out here. There are actually two:
xyzzy and plugh. Any older hacker should know what/where these come from.
deanrantala
06-07-2003, 09:42 PM
login:system
password:administrator
login:admin
password:admin
login:ingress
password:ingress
login:guest
password:guest
login:super
password:user
________________________________
anyone remember that?
________________________________
password:administrator
login:admin
password:admin
login:ingress
password:ingress
login:guest
password:guest
login:super
password:user
________________________________
anyone remember that?
________________________________
Fryguy8
06-07-2003, 10:03 PM
allright, well here I go.
You aren't a hacker, nor will you ever BE a hacker with the attitude that you have. So forget about it and just hold on to windows, unless you have a REAL reason to use linux.
That said, if you want linux, do a search! There are 10s and probably hundreds of posts of people asking "what distro"
And you mentioned the fact that reviews you read are biased. What makes our reviews unbiased?
That said, if you want to learn linux, and you want to be a hacker, get involved with the linuxfromscratch project. www.linuxfromscratch.org It's really not that hard to get started if you have computer skills.
You aren't a hacker, nor will you ever BE a hacker with the attitude that you have. So forget about it and just hold on to windows, unless you have a REAL reason to use linux.
That said, if you want linux, do a search! There are 10s and probably hundreds of posts of people asking "what distro"
And you mentioned the fact that reviews you read are biased. What makes our reviews unbiased?
That said, if you want to learn linux, and you want to be a hacker, get involved with the linuxfromscratch project. www.linuxfromscratch.org It's really not that hard to get started if you have computer skills.
sharth
06-08-2003, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by endoalpha
Maybe you want to know the super secret password that is a surfire backdoor to all systems? I usually sell that password, but I will give it out here. There are actually two:
xyzzy and plugh. Any older hacker should know what/where these come from. and silly me thinking that it was sex, god....
advent, by golly, we have a jargon file now don't we :)
Maybe you want to know the super secret password that is a surfire backdoor to all systems? I usually sell that password, but I will give it out here. There are actually two:
xyzzy and plugh. Any older hacker should know what/where these come from. and silly me thinking that it was sex, god....
advent, by golly, we have a jargon file now don't we :)
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 12:30 AM
yessss advent.
you are standing in <descriptive place>. Exits are north, east and southwest. There is a <bizarre object> here with writing on it.
?
I loved those text adventures.
you are standing in <descriptive place>. Exits are north, east and southwest. There is a <bizarre object> here with writing on it.
?
I loved those text adventures.
je_fro
06-08-2003, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by PleaseNoFlames
DON'T EVEN BOTHER READING THIS THREAD. IT WAS A SIMPLE NEWBIE QUESTION THAT TURNED INTO FLAME FEST 2003. THE SAD THING IS THIS REFLECTS A PORTION OF THE LINUX COMMUNITY. FORTUNATELY, THIS DOES NOT REFLECT THE ENTIRE LINUX COMMUNITY AND FOR US NEWBIES THAT WANT TO LEARN ABOUT IT, WE CAN GET AROUND THIS WWW.JUSTLINUX.COM ELITEST CLIQUE AND ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT WHAT THIS SITE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT, LEARNING ABOUT AND HELPING OTHERS WITH THEIR LINUX PROBLEMS. IF YOU NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED, GO TO www.linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org). OTHERWISE IF YOU WANT TO FEEL COOL BY TRASHING NEWBIES, THEN WELCOME TO JUSTLINUX.COM!
Hmm....
I notice you haven't posted anything this silly over there.....
DON'T EVEN BOTHER READING THIS THREAD. IT WAS A SIMPLE NEWBIE QUESTION THAT TURNED INTO FLAME FEST 2003. THE SAD THING IS THIS REFLECTS A PORTION OF THE LINUX COMMUNITY. FORTUNATELY, THIS DOES NOT REFLECT THE ENTIRE LINUX COMMUNITY AND FOR US NEWBIES THAT WANT TO LEARN ABOUT IT, WE CAN GET AROUND THIS WWW.JUSTLINUX.COM ELITEST CLIQUE AND ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT WHAT THIS SITE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT, LEARNING ABOUT AND HELPING OTHERS WITH THEIR LINUX PROBLEMS. IF YOU NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED, GO TO www.linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org). OTHERWISE IF YOU WANT TO FEEL COOL BY TRASHING NEWBIES, THEN WELCOME TO JUSTLINUX.COM!
Hmm....
I notice you haven't posted anything this silly over there.....
Ryochan7
06-08-2003, 12:49 AM
It's kind of sad that this stuff happens to noobs all the time, whether they deserve it or not. I keep reading too many post about noobs getting pushed away from Linux because of some question or comment. Even if you think it is a stupid question, don't try to make someone feel bad because he or she didn't know the answer. People who don't know the answer ask the question to find out the solution, not to get flammed from all directions. This attitude towards noobs not only hurts this site, but the Linux OS as a whole.
Despite other people's beliefs, based on my experience of research, good Linux tutorials and suggestion are rare. Most are either outdated or not detailed enough for even an expert to understand (not that I'm calling myself one). People come here to ask about distro picks not to annoy you, but because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective. Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because the thread goes to a flame war, like this one, or the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question.
Also, sorry PleaseNoFlames, I believe, like many other people, that you can't just call yourself a newbie hacker, even if you want to pursue hacking. You need to have a certain amount of knowledge and experience before you can truly be given the "hacker" title. Usually, the only way to do this is to prove your knowledge to others by doing something, legal, that would be extremely difficult or by performing a task that only a small minority of people can do. You could call yourself "a hacker in training" or something that doesn't imply that you are a hacker yet.
That's all I can think of for right now. All I'm really trying to say is don't alienate newbies just because they don't know something. Linux will never become mainstream if this is the type of attitude that all people wanting to learn will receive from avid users. Maybe Microsoft truly has won over Linux because both communities are going to hell. Time for another flame war. Later.
P.S. As for my distro pick, I would have to say that for starting to learn Linux, Mandrake should be your choice. It comes with all the tools you will need for programming and networking, plus there aren't that many obstacles to worry about like with other distros. I wouldn't know about which distro to choose once you are experience because I am still an ubber noob and I am still learning a lot from Mandrake. Maybe I will be able to switch to a different distro later, but for now, I am going to stick with Mandrake.
Despite other people's beliefs, based on my experience of research, good Linux tutorials and suggestion are rare. Most are either outdated or not detailed enough for even an expert to understand (not that I'm calling myself one). People come here to ask about distro picks not to annoy you, but because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective. Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because the thread goes to a flame war, like this one, or the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question.
Also, sorry PleaseNoFlames, I believe, like many other people, that you can't just call yourself a newbie hacker, even if you want to pursue hacking. You need to have a certain amount of knowledge and experience before you can truly be given the "hacker" title. Usually, the only way to do this is to prove your knowledge to others by doing something, legal, that would be extremely difficult or by performing a task that only a small minority of people can do. You could call yourself "a hacker in training" or something that doesn't imply that you are a hacker yet.
That's all I can think of for right now. All I'm really trying to say is don't alienate newbies just because they don't know something. Linux will never become mainstream if this is the type of attitude that all people wanting to learn will receive from avid users. Maybe Microsoft truly has won over Linux because both communities are going to hell. Time for another flame war. Later.
P.S. As for my distro pick, I would have to say that for starting to learn Linux, Mandrake should be your choice. It comes with all the tools you will need for programming and networking, plus there aren't that many obstacles to worry about like with other distros. I wouldn't know about which distro to choose once you are experience because I am still an ubber noob and I am still learning a lot from Mandrake. Maybe I will be able to switch to a different distro later, but for now, I am going to stick with Mandrake.
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Ryochan7
...
Despite other people's beliefs, based on my experience of research, good Linux tutorials and suggestion are rare. Most are either outdated or not detailed enough for even an expert to understand (not that I'm calling myself one). People come here to ask about distro picks not to annoy you, but because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective. Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because the thread goes to a flame war, like this one, or the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question.
...
This forums is not to give each question an updated detailed tutorial answer. I absolutely do believe people come here and ask 'which distro is best' to annoy. It's a classic troll question, similar to 'whats the best 3d card' or 'whats the best CPU'. You say "People come here to ask about distro picks ... ... because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective." and also say "Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because ... ... the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question."
So, you are saying that people want opinions from people that have the same perspective, but only if they rehash the question, because people from previous posts have different perspectives.
Or, people who ask questions here only want to hears answers and comments they like, from people who are like them. lame
...
Despite other people's beliefs, based on my experience of research, good Linux tutorials and suggestion are rare. Most are either outdated or not detailed enough for even an expert to understand (not that I'm calling myself one). People come here to ask about distro picks not to annoy you, but because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective. Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because the thread goes to a flame war, like this one, or the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question.
...
This forums is not to give each question an updated detailed tutorial answer. I absolutely do believe people come here and ask 'which distro is best' to annoy. It's a classic troll question, similar to 'whats the best 3d card' or 'whats the best CPU'. You say "People come here to ask about distro picks ... ... because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective." and also say "Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because ... ... the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question."
So, you are saying that people want opinions from people that have the same perspective, but only if they rehash the question, because people from previous posts have different perspectives.
Or, people who ask questions here only want to hears answers and comments they like, from people who are like them. lame
Ryochan7
06-08-2003, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by endoalpha
This forums is not to give each question an updated detailed tutorial answer. I absolutely do believe people come here and ask 'which distro is best' to annoy. It's a classic troll question, similar to 'whats the best 3d card' or 'whats the best CPU'. You say "People come here to ask about distro picks ... ... because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective." and also say "Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because ... ... the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question."
So, you are saying that people want opinions from people that have the same perspective, but only if they rehash the question, because people from previous posts have different perspectives.
Or, people who ask questions here only want to hears answers and comments they like, from people who are like them. lame
I would have to go with the second answer. That's just the way things are. Mainly what I was talking about, in my babbling sort of way, was how people ask questions with their own needs and wants in mind. Most people have different needs and wants. It is kind of lame, but that's just my opinion.
I do agree that reading the same type of post millions of times might get annoying, but don't beat up the person who asked the question for not knowing any better. Besides, most of what I say is garbage, so don't take me too seriously. Though I don't think the whole Linux community is full of pricks and bigots, there are many of them wondering this site. They tend to get more noticed than the helpful people on this site.
Even with the bad experiences I have had so far, I still love Linux. I don't know if anything is going to change my mind about that, though I probably won't get rid of Windows for a long time. It's just that noobs that haven't seen Linux in action will most likely not try any distro of Linux if they get ridiculed from the community. Life sucks and most people do as well. That's just the way things are, at least for myself.
P.S. Why did you take out the comment about me being a politician? I am interested in the political scheme. It's kind of fun to find contradictions in a person's behavior compared to a person's words. Plus, politicians have power, and you can't say that power isn't a good thing.
This forums is not to give each question an updated detailed tutorial answer. I absolutely do believe people come here and ask 'which distro is best' to annoy. It's a classic troll question, similar to 'whats the best 3d card' or 'whats the best CPU'. You say "People come here to ask about distro picks ... ... because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective." and also say "Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because ... ... the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question."
So, you are saying that people want opinions from people that have the same perspective, but only if they rehash the question, because people from previous posts have different perspectives.
Or, people who ask questions here only want to hears answers and comments they like, from people who are like them. lame
I would have to go with the second answer. That's just the way things are. Mainly what I was talking about, in my babbling sort of way, was how people ask questions with their own needs and wants in mind. Most people have different needs and wants. It is kind of lame, but that's just my opinion.
I do agree that reading the same type of post millions of times might get annoying, but don't beat up the person who asked the question for not knowing any better. Besides, most of what I say is garbage, so don't take me too seriously. Though I don't think the whole Linux community is full of pricks and bigots, there are many of them wondering this site. They tend to get more noticed than the helpful people on this site.
Even with the bad experiences I have had so far, I still love Linux. I don't know if anything is going to change my mind about that, though I probably won't get rid of Windows for a long time. It's just that noobs that haven't seen Linux in action will most likely not try any distro of Linux if they get ridiculed from the community. Life sucks and most people do as well. That's just the way things are, at least for myself.
P.S. Why did you take out the comment about me being a politician? I am interested in the political scheme. It's kind of fun to find contradictions in a person's behavior compared to a person's words. Plus, politicians have power, and you can't say that power isn't a good thing.
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 02:06 AM
ask martha Stewart if power "is a good thing"
Ryochan7
06-08-2003, 02:09 AM
That's not having power, necessarily, but abusing it.
VolcomPimp
06-08-2003, 02:42 AM
its kinda stupid to ask a question like this and
then to get mad for getting flamed... good for you
if you wanna learn how to hack, but I dont think
planning to read books or downloading any specific
OS is going to help you any... Ive got a few books
myself but I dont go around all hyped up about
wanting to hack...
but ya reading some of these posts just inspired me
to create a new term, "brown hat hacker" which refers
to **** heads who either think they can hack or
go around talking about wanting to learn
how to hack in general.... if ya wanna learn how
to program, fine... if ya wanna install linux, fine...
if you wanna screw around w/ a few utilities for
some fun or mess w/ some exploits or slowly learn
some things that'd be considered hacking then go ahead...
dont go asking retarded questions about hacking
unless they are specific questions that won't get
you flamed...
then to get mad for getting flamed... good for you
if you wanna learn how to hack, but I dont think
planning to read books or downloading any specific
OS is going to help you any... Ive got a few books
myself but I dont go around all hyped up about
wanting to hack...
but ya reading some of these posts just inspired me
to create a new term, "brown hat hacker" which refers
to **** heads who either think they can hack or
go around talking about wanting to learn
how to hack in general.... if ya wanna learn how
to program, fine... if ya wanna install linux, fine...
if you wanna screw around w/ a few utilities for
some fun or mess w/ some exploits or slowly learn
some things that'd be considered hacking then go ahead...
dont go asking retarded questions about hacking
unless they are specific questions that won't get
you flamed...
ricstr
06-08-2003, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by VolcomPimp
but ya reading some of these posts just inspired me
to create a new term, "brown hat hacker" which refers
to **** heads who either think they can hack or
go around talking about wanting to learn
how to hack in general
lmao
but ya reading some of these posts just inspired me
to create a new term, "brown hat hacker" which refers
to **** heads who either think they can hack or
go around talking about wanting to learn
how to hack in general
lmao
Ryochan7
06-08-2003, 07:54 AM
VolcomPimp made a funny. Go Ninja, go ninja, go.
ven0m
06-08-2003, 08:48 AM
PleaseNoFlames I really don't like the way you've changed your question, people did help you, it's just that most people here have a sense of humor and thought a newbie hacker was funny:)
Also why are you saying that linuxquestions.org is better, if you asked the same question word by word it would have resulted in the same thing!
Here's a link to what he asked in linuxquestions:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64254
This is my last post on this subject, then I am going to move on with life.
Same here!
Also why are you saying that linuxquestions.org is better, if you asked the same question word by word it would have resulted in the same thing!
Here's a link to what he asked in linuxquestions:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64254
This is my last post on this subject, then I am going to move on with life.
Same here!
ven0m
06-08-2003, 08:50 AM
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64254
I thought I would correct my mistake be for I got flamed.
I thought I would correct my mistake be for I got flamed.
jsundquist
06-08-2003, 11:32 AM
I only have one last comment to this thread. He didnt even mention the word hacker or newbie hacker on the linuxquestions.org So he got straight answers over there. Hmm. So does that mean if you bring up the word hacker people will go off on you. Man I hope not.
Choozo
06-08-2003, 12:07 PM
People will crack down on you here (and on any other linux forum I guess), if you imply that you want to learn to be a hacker for the prime purpose of breaking into other machines.
It appeared to me that this was the primary goal of 'PleaseNoFlames' and 'xxispawn01xx'.
Cheers :)
It appeared to me that this was the primary goal of 'PleaseNoFlames' and 'xxispawn01xx'.
Cheers :)
fortisimo
06-08-2003, 03:04 PM
what do you ppl think of gentoo.is it good?
PleaseNoFlames
06-08-2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Choozo
People will crack down on you here (and on any other linux forum I guess), if you imply that you want to learn to be a hacker for the prime purpose of breaking into other machines.
It appeared to me that this was the primary goal of 'PleaseNoFlames' and 'xxispawn01xx'.
Cheers :)
If you actually read this thread without the a "trash the newbie" state of mind, you'll see that a) my first post said newbie hacker but JUST and ONLY JUST to get the point across that I am learning the VERY COMPLICATED concepts of hacking. After the first 5,000 flames I realized "Hey, I guess these guys don't like that term" so I DID THE SAY HACKER IN TRAINING. b) I feel that I've made it clear that (if not I'll say it again) I want to learn to hack so I can get a job at a software company, not to break into people's computers and reak havoc. c) Dumbasses that are still stuck on the "the newbie said "newbie hacker"! HAHAHA, he's so dumb" are total idiots that really have a problem with sticking on one subject that was later corrected. The fact that I said "newbie hacker" in my first post does NOT mean that my question should be ignored by 99% of you. d) You should feel SOMEWHAT happy that I turned to you guys for a question, now most of you should feel like total *******s for making fun of the way I phrased a question. SUre the question has been asked to death, but the research I did didn't answer my specific question, therefore I turned to a LINUX HELP FORUM to ask a question about linux. Then you guys tell me to not take things so hard, WELL I'M NOT THE ONE BUSTING A NUT BECAUSE SOME NEWBIE SAID "NEWBIE HACKER". I respect white hat hackers and I by NO means claim to be a hacker. I said "newbie hacker" implying that I'm new to the concepts of hacking and plan to learn them not that I am a hacker or am even in the same ballpark as hackers. Anyway, look past the damn wording on a question and look at what the question is asking. It would have taken a lot less time for you guys to just say "hey, another newbie distro question" and either ignore it or give 2 sentences about your favorite newbie distro. But no, you guys spend almost HOURS just talking about how you hate these questions. Well I'm sorry for wrong terminoligy and for looking to a help forum for a common question, but don't ***** to me about too many of these questions, if there's too many of them, THEN IGNORE THEM. Now it's your turn for you *******s to quote me and pick apart every word and term that I used wrong. Faggots (though thank you very much for those of you that gave your 2 cents and just let things go. I appreciate you.)
People will crack down on you here (and on any other linux forum I guess), if you imply that you want to learn to be a hacker for the prime purpose of breaking into other machines.
It appeared to me that this was the primary goal of 'PleaseNoFlames' and 'xxispawn01xx'.
Cheers :)
If you actually read this thread without the a "trash the newbie" state of mind, you'll see that a) my first post said newbie hacker but JUST and ONLY JUST to get the point across that I am learning the VERY COMPLICATED concepts of hacking. After the first 5,000 flames I realized "Hey, I guess these guys don't like that term" so I DID THE SAY HACKER IN TRAINING. b) I feel that I've made it clear that (if not I'll say it again) I want to learn to hack so I can get a job at a software company, not to break into people's computers and reak havoc. c) Dumbasses that are still stuck on the "the newbie said "newbie hacker"! HAHAHA, he's so dumb" are total idiots that really have a problem with sticking on one subject that was later corrected. The fact that I said "newbie hacker" in my first post does NOT mean that my question should be ignored by 99% of you. d) You should feel SOMEWHAT happy that I turned to you guys for a question, now most of you should feel like total *******s for making fun of the way I phrased a question. SUre the question has been asked to death, but the research I did didn't answer my specific question, therefore I turned to a LINUX HELP FORUM to ask a question about linux. Then you guys tell me to not take things so hard, WELL I'M NOT THE ONE BUSTING A NUT BECAUSE SOME NEWBIE SAID "NEWBIE HACKER". I respect white hat hackers and I by NO means claim to be a hacker. I said "newbie hacker" implying that I'm new to the concepts of hacking and plan to learn them not that I am a hacker or am even in the same ballpark as hackers. Anyway, look past the damn wording on a question and look at what the question is asking. It would have taken a lot less time for you guys to just say "hey, another newbie distro question" and either ignore it or give 2 sentences about your favorite newbie distro. But no, you guys spend almost HOURS just talking about how you hate these questions. Well I'm sorry for wrong terminoligy and for looking to a help forum for a common question, but don't ***** to me about too many of these questions, if there's too many of them, THEN IGNORE THEM. Now it's your turn for you *******s to quote me and pick apart every word and term that I used wrong. Faggots (though thank you very much for those of you that gave your 2 cents and just let things go. I appreciate you.)
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 04:55 PM
I know you are, but what am I...
Fusion99
06-08-2003, 05:27 PM
I agree - www.linuxquestions.org is much better than this place.
Fusion99
06-08-2003, 05:34 PM
www.justlinux.com Currently Active Users: 68
www.linuxquestions.org Members Online: 261
Looks like you're going to have to do something to get a few of your members back :D
www.linuxquestions.org Members Online: 261
Looks like you're going to have to do something to get a few of your members back :D
myshkin
06-08-2003, 05:43 PM
hmm, i dont know..why not someone try posting the exact same question on linuxquestions.org, and see what kind of response itll get. :p
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 05:44 PM
Nothing like a bunch of newbies telling newbies what distro is better and how putting a './' in front of a executeable will make it 'run'. Thats what linuxquestions.org is good for.
joesbox
06-08-2003, 06:00 PM
truthfully Fusion99 that proves nothing. that only proves that more ppl were online at the time that you checked. i use both forums and find both of them useful. i do believe that LQO is a bit nicer than JLC but i also think that some of the management (not moderation, i don't want to be kicked out of here. i know you guys are just doing your job) needs to be adjusted. but if you can get around the fact that there are some (and i say some) @ssholes out there and have the patience to hunt and peck thru you will find the answers that you are looking for.
as for a distro made for cracking i don't think that there is one made soley for that purpose. but like Gertrude has said
Originally posted by Gertrude
....There are tons of people using different distros, just find one you are happy with and stick with it.. Learning to hack or becomming a hacker doesnt have so much to do with the distro you are using as it does with just a general curiosity of learning how things work.....
if you can't find what you are looking for then invest you time and maybe some money into creating a distro that would be exactly what you are looking for. there has got to be someone out there that is looking for the same thing that you are.
as for a distro made for cracking i don't think that there is one made soley for that purpose. but like Gertrude has said
Originally posted by Gertrude
....There are tons of people using different distros, just find one you are happy with and stick with it.. Learning to hack or becomming a hacker doesnt have so much to do with the distro you are using as it does with just a general curiosity of learning how things work.....
if you can't find what you are looking for then invest you time and maybe some money into creating a distro that would be exactly what you are looking for. there has got to be someone out there that is looking for the same thing that you are.
PleaseNoFlames
06-08-2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by endoalpha
Nothing like a bunch of newbies telling newbies what distro is better and how putting a './' in front of a executeable will make it 'run'. Thats what linuxquestions.org is good for.
Well I've learned a $hitload more there than here, all this site is good for is to watch a bunch of arrogant, egotistical "pros" flame newbies for their questions.
Sorry, generalization: on that site I've met a lot of helpful, SMART, nice people that have helped me. on this site my experience thusfar has been flames from @ssholes and some advice from levelheaded people that know what they are talking about and ACTUALLY WANT TO EXPAND THE LINUX COMMUNITY.
Nothing like a bunch of newbies telling newbies what distro is better and how putting a './' in front of a executeable will make it 'run'. Thats what linuxquestions.org is good for.
Well I've learned a $hitload more there than here, all this site is good for is to watch a bunch of arrogant, egotistical "pros" flame newbies for their questions.
Sorry, generalization: on that site I've met a lot of helpful, SMART, nice people that have helped me. on this site my experience thusfar has been flames from @ssholes and some advice from levelheaded people that know what they are talking about and ACTUALLY WANT TO EXPAND THE LINUX COMMUNITY.
xxispawn01xx
06-08-2003, 06:05 PM
i agree so much, so many faggots and many of them moderators, the only moderator who actually does a job of helping is mahdi and mr.google(ugh i forgot his name, mdwatt?) people act so gay, and sometimes the moderators join in, i mean if someone is wrong correct and influence them, really very sad. I say we go to, or make another website for respectful people
je_fro
06-08-2003, 06:07 PM
Why not stop with the abuse. A lot of these peoples time is very valuable, and they give it to a lot of deserving (and undeserving) people. This is a pretty small world, so if I were you I'd drop the abuse and move on....
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 06:08 PM
with xxispawn01xx and PleaseNoFlames referring to 'faggots', as a derogatory term, it makes one think that their daddys, or nasty uncles maybe touched them a little tooo much....
PleaseNoFlames
06-08-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by endoalpha
with xxispawn01xx and PleaseNoFlames referring to 'faggots', as a derogatory term, it makes one think that their daddys, or nasty uncles maybe touched them a little tooo much....
That's just what we all need, another "your daddy touches you" lameass comment.
with xxispawn01xx and PleaseNoFlames referring to 'faggots', as a derogatory term, it makes one think that their daddys, or nasty uncles maybe touched them a little tooo much....
That's just what we all need, another "your daddy touches you" lameass comment.
Stween
06-08-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by jsundquist
So does that mean if you bring up the word hacker people will go off on you. Man I hope not.
Not if you bring up the word hacker. If you turn round and say "I want to be a hacker" then either it means you want to be a cracker, or you've not quite twigged as to what the hacker mindset is. No "real" hacker would turn round and say that he or she was a hacker, they wouldn't even think about it.
A more acceptable question would have been along the lines of 'I want to learn Linux and I want to learn how to code'.
My response would be that if you want to learn Linux, and learn it the faster but harder way, get something like Slackware, or build an LFS system.
If you want to learn how to code, any distro will do - they all come with the gcc compiler and libraries.
Knowing how to crack can come from knowing how to hack, and studying *lots* of existing code, but trying anything on a running system (other than your own, I'd assume) can be very, very illegal.
So does that mean if you bring up the word hacker people will go off on you. Man I hope not.
Not if you bring up the word hacker. If you turn round and say "I want to be a hacker" then either it means you want to be a cracker, or you've not quite twigged as to what the hacker mindset is. No "real" hacker would turn round and say that he or she was a hacker, they wouldn't even think about it.
A more acceptable question would have been along the lines of 'I want to learn Linux and I want to learn how to code'.
My response would be that if you want to learn Linux, and learn it the faster but harder way, get something like Slackware, or build an LFS system.
If you want to learn how to code, any distro will do - they all come with the gcc compiler and libraries.
Knowing how to crack can come from knowing how to hack, and studying *lots* of existing code, but trying anything on a running system (other than your own, I'd assume) can be very, very illegal.
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 06:20 PM
You are the one calling people faggots.... ya faggot
PleaseNoFlames
06-08-2003, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by endoalpha
You are the one calling people faggots.... ya faggot
Am I the "knowledgable" one flaming newbies and making lameass molesting jokes??
You are the one calling people faggots.... ya faggot
Am I the "knowledgable" one flaming newbies and making lameass molesting jokes??
Stween
06-08-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by xxispawn01xx
mahdi and mr.google(ugh i forgot his name, mdwatt?)
mdwatts hasn't posted in a couple of months, as far as I'm aware. Mahdi does indeed help people, but you'll find that anyone who answers same-ish questions day after day, gets bored and stops posting.
The moderators are unpaid and do a lot of work to keep this site running pretty smoothly. The insults that are starting to fly around this thread just now will probably get the whole thread locked.
mahdi and mr.google(ugh i forgot his name, mdwatt?)
mdwatts hasn't posted in a couple of months, as far as I'm aware. Mahdi does indeed help people, but you'll find that anyone who answers same-ish questions day after day, gets bored and stops posting.
The moderators are unpaid and do a lot of work to keep this site running pretty smoothly. The insults that are starting to fly around this thread just now will probably get the whole thread locked.
brockmasterflex
06-08-2003, 06:43 PM
The insults that are starting to fly around this thread just now will probably get the whole thread locked.
Hey Mods.. this should be locked. It DOES NOT pertain to Linux (anymore), its a lame flame war.
What a waste of internet space.
-BMF
Hey Mods.. this should be locked. It DOES NOT pertain to Linux (anymore), its a lame flame war.
What a waste of internet space.
-BMF
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by PleaseNoFlames
Am I the "knowledgable" one flaming newbies and making lameass molesting jokes??
no... you are the faggot
Am I the "knowledgable" one flaming newbies and making lameass molesting jokes??
no... you are the faggot
Fusion99
06-08-2003, 06:53 PM
What's wrong with the term "newbie hacker"? He's just implying he's new to hacking.
I've heard it said many times.
I've heard it said many times.
RHLinuxNewbie
06-08-2003, 08:27 PM
Why does he keep responding? It's as if he likes to argue on forums.
jlmb
06-08-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Stween
mdwatts hasn't posted in a couple of months, as far as I'm aware Really?? is he gone or something? or just vacationing?. :confused: :confused:
The moderators are unpaid and do a lot of work to keep this site running pretty smoothly.
i didn't know they were unpaid, and yes...they do a LOT of work here.....so i have
THANK THE MODERATORS FOR EVERYTHING
:D :D
mdwatts hasn't posted in a couple of months, as far as I'm aware Really?? is he gone or something? or just vacationing?. :confused: :confused:
The moderators are unpaid and do a lot of work to keep this site running pretty smoothly.
i didn't know they were unpaid, and yes...they do a LOT of work here.....so i have
THANK THE MODERATORS FOR EVERYTHING
:D :D
brockmasterflex
06-08-2003, 09:34 PM
This is a dark day for The Linux Community.
If we cannot help our, own who will we help?
If we cannot tolerate or ignore those who (for lack of a better word) deserve it we will never grow as a community.
A society is judged on how it treats its weakest members.
If we cannot help our, own who will we help?
If we cannot tolerate or ignore those who (for lack of a better word) deserve it we will never grow as a community.
A society is judged on how it treats its weakest members.
drunkpenguin
06-08-2003, 10:14 PM
Gentoo is a very good distribution. It is stable from what I have experienced. The theory behind gentoo is that a binary program compiled on your very own hardware, will run better on your system then say a binary program compiled on my computer. This is what is clasified as a source based distribution. The down side and the only one i know of, is it lengthy install process. The install is done manually through a bash shell and downloads only the source of the pckages you chose to install. Normally an install of say Red Hat or SuSE will take about an hour, but Gentoo will take about the whole day, even longer if your using a dial-up connection to download the source code. And when the install is done, you don't even have to reboot, just chroot, I believe.
I recomend this distribution only if you have prior linux experience. If this is your first distro, then I would use RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake, or something similar. If you have some linux experience, I mean shell not GUI, and a lot of patience, then go for gentoo, you will be very pleased in the end.
I recomend this distribution only if you have prior linux experience. If this is your first distro, then I would use RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake, or something similar. If you have some linux experience, I mean shell not GUI, and a lot of patience, then go for gentoo, you will be very pleased in the end.
Gertrude
06-08-2003, 10:17 PM
Just install linux already if you want to, and quit worrieing about what a bunch of strangers think about you. People may be flamming you for a reason... Maybe look at it this way, they may be flamming you because they do in fact care. I'm sure your parents gave you a little **** at some point in your life to get you going in the right direction, because you were going about something in the wrong way. Maybe thats what people are doing now? Im sure everyone here at some point has been told to "RTFM", and to search google (xxispawn01xx). Dont take it so personal.
xxispawn01xx
06-08-2003, 10:32 PM
This forums is not to give each question an updated detailed tutorial answer. I absolutely do believe people come here and ask 'which distro is best' to annoy. It's a classic troll question, similar to 'whats the best 3d card' or 'whats the best CPU'. You say "People come here to ask about distro picks ... ... because they want opinions from many different people that share the same perspective." and also say "Previous threads about distro picks really doesn't help people all that much because ... ... the people's views might differ from the person that ask the question."
Nigga please..........
Nigga please..........
endoalpha
06-08-2003, 10:42 PM
how many slurs do you have up your sleve? 2 for sure... probably many more.
DMR
06-09-2003, 12:58 AM
Just great folks, thanks a lot.
I take two days off to celebrate my one year anniversary with my fiancee and come back to find no less than 4 reports concerning this thread. If you think I'm more that a little ticked off about this, you're right; read on:
-To the members who posted the reports- thank you. This has gotten well out of hand, and I appreciate the fact that you cared enough about the whole idea of this site to report the thread.
The most pertinent and descriptive post in this thread is jsundquist's:People are just poking fun at the way you were saying it thats all. This is a great forum. Dont let your first impressions of it make you want to leave. These are great people on this forum. They will help you solve almost any problem you come in contact with. Just remember to search before you post. Most questions have been asked a number of I agree with this entirely, and were jsundquist's advice taken, I wouldn't have to be typing response this right now.
To the "members" who simply fed the flames and also violated the terms of the JL Acceptable Use Policy with swearing and slurs, here you go:
- PleaseNoFlames,
Enough- you are trolling. Your posts are full of profanity and inflamatory content, so you are done here.
-xxispawn01xx,
You've already been on shaky ground for some of the content in your past posts here. You are done now as well.
-endoalpha,
The "faggot" references in your posts are enough; you are banned until I can speak with the site admins.
-Yorsh,
Yup, it's true- we don't get paid a single penny to wade through this BS.
I take two days off to celebrate my one year anniversary with my fiancee and come back to find no less than 4 reports concerning this thread. If you think I'm more that a little ticked off about this, you're right; read on:
-To the members who posted the reports- thank you. This has gotten well out of hand, and I appreciate the fact that you cared enough about the whole idea of this site to report the thread.
The most pertinent and descriptive post in this thread is jsundquist's:People are just poking fun at the way you were saying it thats all. This is a great forum. Dont let your first impressions of it make you want to leave. These are great people on this forum. They will help you solve almost any problem you come in contact with. Just remember to search before you post. Most questions have been asked a number of I agree with this entirely, and were jsundquist's advice taken, I wouldn't have to be typing response this right now.
To the "members" who simply fed the flames and also violated the terms of the JL Acceptable Use Policy with swearing and slurs, here you go:
- PleaseNoFlames,
Enough- you are trolling. Your posts are full of profanity and inflamatory content, so you are done here.
-xxispawn01xx,
You've already been on shaky ground for some of the content in your past posts here. You are done now as well.
-endoalpha,
The "faggot" references in your posts are enough; you are banned until I can speak with the site admins.
-Yorsh,
Yup, it's true- we don't get paid a single penny to wade through this BS.
CrashTestDummy9
06-09-2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
Hey, cool thanx for the link, sclebo05, appreciate that :)
Waiting for Doom III, but w/ a GeForce2 (!) do you think my system can handle it? To sum it up in a 2 letter word....NO
Several of the newer games are giving my Ti4200 128mb card a hard time...Devastation,Delta Force Blackhawk Down.
Hardware upgrades are no more expensive than a healthy Pepsi or Budweiser habit.
Break out your screwdriver and anti static strap.
ps:Clothing produces static electricity which is why I work on my machine in the nude....At least thats what I tell my wife:D
Hey, cool thanx for the link, sclebo05, appreciate that :)
Waiting for Doom III, but w/ a GeForce2 (!) do you think my system can handle it? To sum it up in a 2 letter word....NO
Several of the newer games are giving my Ti4200 128mb card a hard time...Devastation,Delta Force Blackhawk Down.
Hardware upgrades are no more expensive than a healthy Pepsi or Budweiser habit.
Break out your screwdriver and anti static strap.
ps:Clothing produces static electricity which is why I work on my machine in the nude....At least thats what I tell my wife:D
dysharmonic
06-09-2003, 09:23 AM
NO? You really mean it?? :D
Well, I should have known that... Probably GF 4 MX is the minimum...
Well, I should have known that... Probably GF 4 MX is the minimum...
elwatson
06-09-2003, 11:19 AM
I started using Linux (the kernel is Linux...Redhat, Caldera, Mandrake, Slackware, etc. are the distributions on top of the kernel) in 1996 with SLACKWARE.
- Linux has come a long way since. It is no longer the he-man (forgive me ladies), command line brute that it is used to be. In trying to win over new users such as yourself, it has gone GUI crazy.
- Now, as a 15 yr old...it all depends...you grew up on WINDOZE (BILL GATES must have been a sci-fi fanatic as a kid...he envisoned a Star Trek-Space Odyssey future where one did not do anything but talk to the computer---this is where the GUI is goood).
- Anyway, you can get a free distro of RH9 from Pogolinux.com. Tell them you belong to a Linux Users Group in your area and you will get it within a week or so. But first try Mandrake or Caldera for starts...they are very similar in GUI ease of use...I use Redhat for certification reasons but do prefer CALDERA for normal use. I'm still stuck on the mouse (use "mousepedia" to find out how many miles you have traveled on your desktop...I have logged in over ten thousand myself :) )
- Also, if you have the space--partition your hard drive into four and load four different flavors of Linux on it and try them all until you decide which one you like...I did that once, and it's like being a kid (pardon me) in a candystore...which one mommy? They all look good.
- Finally, Please Do yourself a Big Favor--READ anything and everything on Unix and Linux ( the internet and the Public library are your best bets--especially the internet--the best thing to happen since the invention of the printing press ) and use the Command Line ( you can Alt-Ctl-F1,2,3,4,... to a terminal screen while keeping your GUI open and learn that way---read on the GUI and type on another terminal...beats WINDHOSE by a yardstick).
- By the time you are my age you will be a force to be reckoned with...a GURU PAR EXELLENCE!!!! Remember RIF (Reading is fundamental)... As a former teacher, I know what I am talking about...half of American adults read at the 8th grade level or below...and work on your spelling too. Believe me, you won't regret it!!!!!
Good luck kid!!!! By the way, I'm 48 with 3 boys in their twenties.
- Linux has come a long way since. It is no longer the he-man (forgive me ladies), command line brute that it is used to be. In trying to win over new users such as yourself, it has gone GUI crazy.
- Now, as a 15 yr old...it all depends...you grew up on WINDOZE (BILL GATES must have been a sci-fi fanatic as a kid...he envisoned a Star Trek-Space Odyssey future where one did not do anything but talk to the computer---this is where the GUI is goood).
- Anyway, you can get a free distro of RH9 from Pogolinux.com. Tell them you belong to a Linux Users Group in your area and you will get it within a week or so. But first try Mandrake or Caldera for starts...they are very similar in GUI ease of use...I use Redhat for certification reasons but do prefer CALDERA for normal use. I'm still stuck on the mouse (use "mousepedia" to find out how many miles you have traveled on your desktop...I have logged in over ten thousand myself :) )
- Also, if you have the space--partition your hard drive into four and load four different flavors of Linux on it and try them all until you decide which one you like...I did that once, and it's like being a kid (pardon me) in a candystore...which one mommy? They all look good.
- Finally, Please Do yourself a Big Favor--READ anything and everything on Unix and Linux ( the internet and the Public library are your best bets--especially the internet--the best thing to happen since the invention of the printing press ) and use the Command Line ( you can Alt-Ctl-F1,2,3,4,... to a terminal screen while keeping your GUI open and learn that way---read on the GUI and type on another terminal...beats WINDHOSE by a yardstick).
- By the time you are my age you will be a force to be reckoned with...a GURU PAR EXELLENCE!!!! Remember RIF (Reading is fundamental)... As a former teacher, I know what I am talking about...half of American adults read at the 8th grade level or below...and work on your spelling too. Believe me, you won't regret it!!!!!
Good luck kid!!!! By the way, I'm 48 with 3 boys in their twenties.
sclebo05
06-09-2003, 12:07 PM
haha, when i started with linux, i did the multiple distro test. not only did it let me try all the major distros, it also gave me an almost side by side comparison of what they had in common or different. good way to do it, but takes some thinking to chain bootloaders, etc.
tgeorge
06-09-2003, 06:42 PM
I don't have the luxury of throwing away my Windows CDs, because all my clients use Windows, and I need to write software for them.
But, being interested in the progress of Linux for over 10 years, I periodically checkout the different distributions.
In the latest round, after a break of about an year and a half of not working on Linux, I decided to get the major distributions.
I started with Debian. I could not get Gnome to install on Debian. But, KDE installed easily, by adding the KDE ftp site to the apt sources, and using the apt-get kde to install it. Then I installed Kopete, and Mozilla Phoenix. I was pretty ok with the way it worked. The Debian installation needs to improve on a usability level. It could be confusing to newbies.
The next week I installed Mandrake 9 and again installed KDE on it. It was a smooth installation, and everything worked pretty much the same.
Then the previous weekend, I decided to experiment with FreeBSD. I have to say that I was amazed by the software. The installation was a breeze, although I just chose all the defaults. The X configuration uses the xf86config and does not detect the video cards. So, it can be a chore for a home user. But, FreeBSD with KDE worked better (faster) and consumed less resources than Debian or Mandrake. I am typing this from the FreeBSD machine which I access via VNC from my Windows XP box. The current memory usage is around 54MB. Considering that my friend is also loggedin to another session of VNC, and is doing chat with his buddies (using Kopete), this is incredible. The machine occasionally shows a 1 minute load average of 0.4 (which I assume is a 40% usage).
I would recommend FreeBSD to anyone including home users, if they can get someone to install it initially for them. It is just phenomenal. I prefer FreeBSD to any distribution of Linux I have used till date, including Debian, Slackware, Redhat, or Mandrake - although I have not seen any recent releases of Redhat or slackware.
Let me know what you guys think. If you have not tried FreeBSD, I would certainly recommend it. Altleast install it once, and see for yourselves.
Thomas
But, being interested in the progress of Linux for over 10 years, I periodically checkout the different distributions.
In the latest round, after a break of about an year and a half of not working on Linux, I decided to get the major distributions.
I started with Debian. I could not get Gnome to install on Debian. But, KDE installed easily, by adding the KDE ftp site to the apt sources, and using the apt-get kde to install it. Then I installed Kopete, and Mozilla Phoenix. I was pretty ok with the way it worked. The Debian installation needs to improve on a usability level. It could be confusing to newbies.
The next week I installed Mandrake 9 and again installed KDE on it. It was a smooth installation, and everything worked pretty much the same.
Then the previous weekend, I decided to experiment with FreeBSD. I have to say that I was amazed by the software. The installation was a breeze, although I just chose all the defaults. The X configuration uses the xf86config and does not detect the video cards. So, it can be a chore for a home user. But, FreeBSD with KDE worked better (faster) and consumed less resources than Debian or Mandrake. I am typing this from the FreeBSD machine which I access via VNC from my Windows XP box. The current memory usage is around 54MB. Considering that my friend is also loggedin to another session of VNC, and is doing chat with his buddies (using Kopete), this is incredible. The machine occasionally shows a 1 minute load average of 0.4 (which I assume is a 40% usage).
I would recommend FreeBSD to anyone including home users, if they can get someone to install it initially for them. It is just phenomenal. I prefer FreeBSD to any distribution of Linux I have used till date, including Debian, Slackware, Redhat, or Mandrake - although I have not seen any recent releases of Redhat or slackware.
Let me know what you guys think. If you have not tried FreeBSD, I would certainly recommend it. Altleast install it once, and see for yourselves.
Thomas
zkent
06-09-2003, 09:43 PM
Greetings,
I'm a Web application developer and I am in need of a local production Web server here in my office. I have an old Gateway 2000 with 266 MHz Pentium processor and 96 MB of RAM. I would like a fairly straightforward, typical Web server environment (Apache, Perl, PHP, etc.)
Have very limited experience with Linux would like to learn more about Web server administration. What version of Linux would 1) work on my machine and 2) is a good introduction for a newbie into Linux administration?
An even better scenario would be a Linux distribution with Apache, perl, PHP, and MySQL already within the distribution. I don't know such thing exists but I've seen some unending lists of Linux distributions and a know someone must have done this.
I'm sure this question is has been posed on this forum many many many times -- and I apologize for that. If I had the time, I would enjoy reading all 38 pages of this thread :-) however, in the absence of time, have chosen to post this question to the Linux experts!
Thank you very much for your time,
Zach
I'm a Web application developer and I am in need of a local production Web server here in my office. I have an old Gateway 2000 with 266 MHz Pentium processor and 96 MB of RAM. I would like a fairly straightforward, typical Web server environment (Apache, Perl, PHP, etc.)
Have very limited experience with Linux would like to learn more about Web server administration. What version of Linux would 1) work on my machine and 2) is a good introduction for a newbie into Linux administration?
An even better scenario would be a Linux distribution with Apache, perl, PHP, and MySQL already within the distribution. I don't know such thing exists but I've seen some unending lists of Linux distributions and a know someone must have done this.
I'm sure this question is has been posed on this forum many many many times -- and I apologize for that. If I had the time, I would enjoy reading all 38 pages of this thread :-) however, in the absence of time, have chosen to post this question to the Linux experts!
Thank you very much for your time,
Zach
dysharmonic
06-10-2003, 09:14 AM
Most linux distros have web serving capabality, w/ almost everything available on the distro CDs.
Apache, php-mySQL, perl, what more could you ever need?
If you're new to linux, use a user-friendlier distro, tho over the years the line b/ween distros for h/core users and new comers is becoming thinner...
If you're setting a dedicated server, install it as server (server class installation) and choose the appropriate servers you wish to run.
I would recommend Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian.
Luck :)
Apache, php-mySQL, perl, what more could you ever need?
If you're new to linux, use a user-friendlier distro, tho over the years the line b/ween distros for h/core users and new comers is becoming thinner...
If you're setting a dedicated server, install it as server (server class installation) and choose the appropriate servers you wish to run.
I would recommend Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian.
Luck :)
Skithextrm
06-10-2003, 02:43 PM
Alright: after a new development in my life, I've been fortunate to come across an old Dell (smell) laptop. It's got a P3 733Mhz with 64MB RAM and very few frills. Surprisingly enough it has no problem playing VCDs or DivX movies and is generally not as slow as one would think. The problem is that it's running Win98 and that just won't do. I'm looking for a good distro that has a minimalist window manager and very free frills; as long it has a file system, nmap, ethereal and can access the network that's all I care about. I'm running RH 8.0 on 2 other machines, but it seems too package laden to me and I'd like to stay away from KDE/Gnome.
I checked out the DistroWatch site and it had some good info, but I'm looking for some feedback from people who have done this sort of minimalist experiment IRL. Thanks for all your help.
Jon
I checked out the DistroWatch site and it had some good info, but I'm looking for some feedback from people who have done this sort of minimalist experiment IRL. Thanks for all your help.
Jon
Modorf
06-10-2003, 02:53 PM
SLACKWARE
Skithextrm
06-10-2003, 02:58 PM
Way to represent son, BROOKLYN IN DA HOUSE!
I'm checkin Slackware out as we speak, thanks.
I'm checkin Slackware out as we speak, thanks.
Modorf
06-10-2003, 03:03 PM
Skithextrm,
A p3 733 should do you well.
My only suggestion would be boosting the ram a little, it will help in the long run. Otherwise look at the amount of hard drive. Those are the two easiest things to upgrade besides adding a wireless card.
But Slackware should do you good.
Nathan.
A p3 733 should do you well.
My only suggestion would be boosting the ram a little, it will help in the long run. Otherwise look at the amount of hard drive. Those are the two easiest things to upgrade besides adding a wireless card.
But Slackware should do you good.
Nathan.
tucolino
06-10-2003, 03:27 PM
i have just finished installing gentoo. it's amazing so far. since you compile eevrything from source, it might take you a while to install, but you end up with a pretty optimized system and quite unbloated. also, documentation is excellent.
tuco
tuco
zkent
06-10-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
Most linux distros have web serving capabality, w/ almost everything available on the distro CDs.
Apache, php-mySQL, perl, what more could you ever need?
If you're new to linux, use a user-friendlier distro, tho over the years the line b/ween distros for h/core users and new comers is becoming thinner...
If you're setting a dedicated server, install it as server (server class installation) and choose the appropriate servers you wish to run.
I would recommend Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian.
Luck :)
I called the hosting company who hosts a dedicated server for my largest client. I wanted to find out the configuration of that server so I can replicate it here locally as much as possible since that is machine where I the most of my work. It uses Red Hat version 7.3. I downloaded 7.3 last night (I love cable!). Do you think my 266 MHz will run it? I don't need a GUI since since unlike the use the command line as if it were a remote server. I found an article at webmonkey.com that explained how to install Red Hat on old PC for uses a server. The article was dated 1999 and diversion of Red Hat was version 6. I think most of the instructions will be pertinent but I just want to make sure that my system will not choke on it.
So, what you think about Red Hat 7.3, 266 MHz Pentium PC? What if I decide to upgrade to Red Hat 8 or 9?
Thanks again!
Most linux distros have web serving capabality, w/ almost everything available on the distro CDs.
Apache, php-mySQL, perl, what more could you ever need?
If you're new to linux, use a user-friendlier distro, tho over the years the line b/ween distros for h/core users and new comers is becoming thinner...
If you're setting a dedicated server, install it as server (server class installation) and choose the appropriate servers you wish to run.
I would recommend Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian.
Luck :)
I called the hosting company who hosts a dedicated server for my largest client. I wanted to find out the configuration of that server so I can replicate it here locally as much as possible since that is machine where I the most of my work. It uses Red Hat version 7.3. I downloaded 7.3 last night (I love cable!). Do you think my 266 MHz will run it? I don't need a GUI since since unlike the use the command line as if it were a remote server. I found an article at webmonkey.com that explained how to install Red Hat on old PC for uses a server. The article was dated 1999 and diversion of Red Hat was version 6. I think most of the instructions will be pertinent but I just want to make sure that my system will not choke on it.
So, what you think about Red Hat 7.3, 266 MHz Pentium PC? What if I decide to upgrade to Red Hat 8 or 9?
Thanks again!
Skithextrm
06-10-2003, 04:17 PM
I think it has like a 20-30GB HD...it was my girlfriend's old laptop, but now that she likes one of my RedHat boxes she gave it to me to do what I want with. My job at work is war walking...I've got a few wireless cards and a big old antenna that I walk around with to scan for rogue access points...that's what I want to do with it in Manhattan and Brooklyn.
Modorf..you're from Brooklyn, have you done any sniffing yet?? I bet up by MetroTech there's something.
Modorf..you're from Brooklyn, have you done any sniffing yet?? I bet up by MetroTech there's something.
RWiggum
06-10-2003, 04:24 PM
A P3 733 is still quite a bit of computer. It certainly isn't old enough to require a "minimalist" setup. I run a full install of RH7.3 on my Celeron 550 Thinkpad. I only upgraded the memory with some Crucial SODIMMs from 64 to 256MB. Runs beautifully, even with KDE3.0 and Keramik/Crystal icons.
But I can certainly understand wanting something light. Slackware is a good suggestion. Debian also starts very light, and you can just add as little as you want. The only issue with Debian is the age of its stable packages. If you can handle apt-get, that can be remedied fairly quickly by upgrading to testing or unstable, though.
But I can certainly understand wanting something light. Slackware is a good suggestion. Debian also starts very light, and you can just add as little as you want. The only issue with Debian is the age of its stable packages. If you can handle apt-get, that can be remedied fairly quickly by upgrading to testing or unstable, though.
dysharmonic
06-11-2003, 09:56 AM
266Mhz w/o a GUI should be fine I guess. Make sure tho you have appropriate amount of RAM. The more the better :)
Most of the time it just sits there, recieving requests from users. X-windowing is resource hungry, however there are WMs that require little of your system's juice, e.g. Blackbox and Fluxbox.
Probably RHL 8 will run as good w/o X just the same.
Most of the time it just sits there, recieving requests from users. X-windowing is resource hungry, however there are WMs that require little of your system's juice, e.g. Blackbox and Fluxbox.
Probably RHL 8 will run as good w/o X just the same.
zkent
06-11-2003, 10:39 AM
Thanks. I actually found out that it has 256 Mb of RAM. I am installing 7.3 right now. Although I chose the custom install and it is installing X windows. Is there a way to un-install that or have it boot to a command line only interface? or should I start over?
dysharmonic
06-11-2003, 12:21 PM
If I'm not mistaken you should be able not to choose X to be installed in custom installation.
There's a way to uninstall X but probably you'll encounter dependency problems. Not sure tho.
To boot to CLI, as root edit your /etc/inittab
Look for something that says initdefault:5 and change 5 to 3.
Luck :)
There's a way to uninstall X but probably you'll encounter dependency problems. Not sure tho.
To boot to CLI, as root edit your /etc/inittab
Look for something that says initdefault:5 and change 5 to 3.
Luck :)
Berts
06-12-2003, 03:43 AM
When it is your first step in the world of linux I would recommend an easy distro such as Mandrake or Suse.
But I think you learn the most with the 'harder'
distro's such as Debian or Slackware...
But I think you learn the most with the 'harder'
distro's such as Debian or Slackware...
Zane217
06-12-2003, 04:43 PM
Hi,
I am trying to set up a small linux network (with a linux based router of course, clarkconnect or the mandrake one MNF) I have a windows pc and want to set up a second linux box as a server (personal web page, FTP, and probably a voice com program like Ventrilo) It is a P200 with 96 megs of ram, I am hopping for some feed back on a small, not so power hungry, distro. It would be nice if it had a GUI (I am still not great a linux from the command prompt) Any suggestions please. Thanks for your help and input.
:D
Gary
I am trying to set up a small linux network (with a linux based router of course, clarkconnect or the mandrake one MNF) I have a windows pc and want to set up a second linux box as a server (personal web page, FTP, and probably a voice com program like Ventrilo) It is a P200 with 96 megs of ram, I am hopping for some feed back on a small, not so power hungry, distro. It would be nice if it had a GUI (I am still not great a linux from the command prompt) Any suggestions please. Thanks for your help and input.
:D
Gary
MorphiusFaydal
06-12-2003, 04:54 PM
u sould try peanut linux..... i havnt actually used it, but im going to install it on my friends pc, pentium-mmx 233mhz, 32mb ram, 4gb hdd. goto linuxiso.org and look at the peanut page, click on the link and see what you think.
just my $0.02
chris
-----EDIT-----
ok, i've just installed Peanut 9.5 on my home box, and its actually pretty nice. 2.4.20 kernel, XFree 4.3, KDE 3.1, its nice. it doesnt take too long to install, and takes relativly little hard drive space.
Peanut Linux on LinuxISO.org (http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=23)
Peanut Linux home page (http://www.ibiblio.org/peanut/)
just my $0.02
chris
-----EDIT-----
ok, i've just installed Peanut 9.5 on my home box, and its actually pretty nice. 2.4.20 kernel, XFree 4.3, KDE 3.1, its nice. it doesnt take too long to install, and takes relativly little hard drive space.
Peanut Linux on LinuxISO.org (http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=23)
Peanut Linux home page (http://www.ibiblio.org/peanut/)
sarah31
06-13-2003, 02:16 AM
there is also damnsmall linux.
mage492
06-13-2003, 05:07 AM
Or Morphix! :D There ARE smaller distros out there, but Morphix's customizability is very helpful. Also, it'll run great on your computer (though some stuff like the Gimp MAY be trouble). If you get the LightGUI version, it flies! It can either be a livecd or install onto your drive. (The install is EXTREMELY easy!)
Hardware detection is great. It didn't autodetect my wireless card (had to do it manually), but it got everything else.
note: I use the 0.3-5 version. I haven't tried -6, yet.
Their site is http://morphix.sourceforge.net/ .
Hardware detection is great. It didn't autodetect my wireless card (had to do it manually), but it got everything else.
note: I use the 0.3-5 version. I haven't tried -6, yet.
Their site is http://morphix.sourceforge.net/ .
Syntaxis
06-13-2003, 06:07 AM
Do a Debian base install (i.e. don't go to tasksel or dselect after it's finished installing the base system). That'll give you something fairly compact (< 150 megs). Then for GUI administration, install webmin with "apt-get install webmin". That'll drag in the core modules as well, and you can see what other modules are in the package tree either by visiting http://packages.debian.org or with "apt-cache search webmin | more". All the modules depend on the respective daemons they control, so installing the modules will automatically install the daemons, which is handy. Anything that doesn't have a webmin module (not much! :)) you can admin over SSH should the need arise. Hey, Webmin even has an SSH module.
I wouldn't install XFree86 on there - it's a waste of space and resources in such a situation, and in my opinion a server box should be headless anyway. No keyboard, no mouse, no monitor, just a box taking up the minimum amount of space. Plus you won't have to get up from your chair when you want to tinker with it. :)
Caveat: software that has a webmin module isn't necessarily the best in other respects. I'm thinking of Wu-ftpd here, which has an atrocious security track record. It's really widely-used, and so the holes are fixed very quickly (bit like sendmail) but if you do choose to use that, make sure you update your system daily for security updates from security.debian.org to be on the safe side (set up a cron job to do this).
EDIT: Lol - I just couldn't live with myself for recommending that you use insecure software when there are better alternatives easily available. It involves a *little* more work on your part, but I highly recommend that you install vsftpd (also in the Debian package system) instead of Wu-ftpd. The webmin module for it is *not* in Debian Stable, but you can get it easily enough from http://www.isp4you.com/webmin/vsftpd.wbm.
I wouldn't install XFree86 on there - it's a waste of space and resources in such a situation, and in my opinion a server box should be headless anyway. No keyboard, no mouse, no monitor, just a box taking up the minimum amount of space. Plus you won't have to get up from your chair when you want to tinker with it. :)
Caveat: software that has a webmin module isn't necessarily the best in other respects. I'm thinking of Wu-ftpd here, which has an atrocious security track record. It's really widely-used, and so the holes are fixed very quickly (bit like sendmail) but if you do choose to use that, make sure you update your system daily for security updates from security.debian.org to be on the safe side (set up a cron job to do this).
EDIT: Lol - I just couldn't live with myself for recommending that you use insecure software when there are better alternatives easily available. It involves a *little* more work on your part, but I highly recommend that you install vsftpd (also in the Debian package system) instead of Wu-ftpd. The webmin module for it is *not* in Debian Stable, but you can get it easily enough from http://www.isp4you.com/webmin/vsftpd.wbm.
Zane217
06-13-2003, 08:13 AM
Thanks for the input, I will check these out.
I want this to be "headless" as you put it as well. I think your debian way may be the way to go.
I looked at peanut really quickly, looks like it has possibilities but the download links did not work for me last night, I will check it out again today though.
I will also check out morphix, I was unaware that that was a smaller distro.
thanks again
Gary
I want this to be "headless" as you put it as well. I think your debian way may be the way to go.
I looked at peanut really quickly, looks like it has possibilities but the download links did not work for me last night, I will check it out again today though.
I will also check out morphix, I was unaware that that was a smaller distro.
thanks again
Gary
Syntaxis
06-13-2003, 08:28 AM
Just to save you some time looking at Morphix for this purpose (my opinion, but I think it's a fair assessment :)):
Morphix is Debian-based, but is a mish-mash of packages from Stable, Testing and Unstable. It is also pretty big (a CD's worth of stuff) and it's meant to be a LiveCD, not a server.
While you could probably install it to disk and strip it down, you wouldn't be able to get security updates for it. I also would not use it as the base for a server under any circumstances, because of the following statements made by the developer on the home page at http://morphix.sf.net:
"Morphix 0.3-6 looks pretty broken for everyone but us"
and
"I always have considered Morphix more of an experiment than a real distro"
I suppose you could use it to auto-detect your hardware for you so you can make a note of it before you install Debian, in case you don't already know what it is, but that's about it.
Morphix is Debian-based, but is a mish-mash of packages from Stable, Testing and Unstable. It is also pretty big (a CD's worth of stuff) and it's meant to be a LiveCD, not a server.
While you could probably install it to disk and strip it down, you wouldn't be able to get security updates for it. I also would not use it as the base for a server under any circumstances, because of the following statements made by the developer on the home page at http://morphix.sf.net:
"Morphix 0.3-6 looks pretty broken for everyone but us"
and
"I always have considered Morphix more of an experiment than a real distro"
I suppose you could use it to auto-detect your hardware for you so you can make a note of it before you install Debian, in case you don't already know what it is, but that's about it.
windowsfree
06-13-2003, 09:47 AM
check out Sourcemage, it's pretty interesting, how good it is I can't say because I haven't used it yet but I'm downloading the iso right now, it's worth a look.
cs25x
06-13-2003, 04:31 PM
There are many small Linuxen.
Slackware can be small, you simply choose
not to install the bloat. Peanut is Slackware
based. It is a very good distro.
Vector is also Slackware baed * and it is
heaps faster than Peanut, but they forgot
to include nfs but I think ssh is there. I
think peanut forgot to include ssh. I use
both. The vector light download is only
250 or so Mb., and you get a choice of
using X.3 for old video hardwre, or X.4
for newer stuff.
The Peanut files are about 1/2 the size of
the same Vector files ( in general ).
It is possible to mix the two, you can install
Vector and update with Peanut
The great advantage of Peanut is that you
can bet that everything will work.
If you are looking for a firewall thing, e-smith
looks good.
I have only looked at damnsmall, it looks
good.
Slackware can be small, you simply choose
not to install the bloat. Peanut is Slackware
based. It is a very good distro.
Vector is also Slackware baed * and it is
heaps faster than Peanut, but they forgot
to include nfs but I think ssh is there. I
think peanut forgot to include ssh. I use
both. The vector light download is only
250 or so Mb., and you get a choice of
using X.3 for old video hardwre, or X.4
for newer stuff.
The Peanut files are about 1/2 the size of
the same Vector files ( in general ).
It is possible to mix the two, you can install
Vector and update with Peanut
The great advantage of Peanut is that you
can bet that everything will work.
If you are looking for a firewall thing, e-smith
looks good.
I have only looked at damnsmall, it looks
good.
quip
06-13-2003, 05:38 PM
I gotta vote for vector. Small, fast, lightweight, with plenty of stuff to play with. Have had it serving ftp for a couple of weeks with nary a problem.
cs25x is correct saying that it doesn't have the nfs utilities out of the box, but since it has the 2.4.20 kernel, it has server and client support for version 3. If you go to sourceforge.net, you can download the package (only about 250KB) and install it in about two minutes. proftpd comes with vec. Also, I only have a p133 with 64 megs, so you will be blazin'!:D
cs25x is correct saying that it doesn't have the nfs utilities out of the box, but since it has the 2.4.20 kernel, it has server and client support for version 3. If you go to sourceforge.net, you can download the package (only about 250KB) and install it in about two minutes. proftpd comes with vec. Also, I only have a p133 with 64 megs, so you will be blazin'!:D
spreelanka
06-15-2003, 05:22 PM
try a lfs (linux from scratch) system, that's what I'm doin
MorphiusFaydal
06-15-2003, 05:35 PM
you need to download peanut off of the linuxiso.org site... the ones on the peanut website have never worked for me.. so, if you want to try peanut, get it from linuxiso
enjoy!
enjoy!
markanini
06-17-2003, 08:26 AM
So mandrake is the way to go?
How about debian? How hard is it to install?
How about debian? How hard is it to install?
Hayl
06-17-2003, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by markanini
So mandrake is the way to go?
How about debian? How hard is it to install?
it is not hard to install - although some people would love to make you believe that it is.
if you want an easy debian isntall then the progeny installer is the way to go. there are quite a few threads on the progeny installer already if you do a search you will find a link.
debian (even the unstable flavour) does not have the latest versions of software so you may not want to run it if being up-to-date is important to you.
So mandrake is the way to go?
How about debian? How hard is it to install?
it is not hard to install - although some people would love to make you believe that it is.
if you want an easy debian isntall then the progeny installer is the way to go. there are quite a few threads on the progeny installer already if you do a search you will find a link.
debian (even the unstable flavour) does not have the latest versions of software so you may not want to run it if being up-to-date is important to you.
sclebo05
06-21-2003, 12:26 PM
let us know how that sourcemage goes, i have heard mixed reviews of it...
synecdoche
06-21-2003, 03:06 PM
I don't think you would have too much trouble running RH7.3 on a 266. I ran it on a 200 with only 64MB of RAM and, while it wasn't as quick as I'd like, it was certainly usable, even running KDE.
-dave
-dave
johnnyr77
06-21-2003, 08:54 PM
Hi all!
I was just laid off and am really excited about the prospect of being able to work on pet projects in my free time. One of these is to learn about Linux.
I want to use a test machine, namely an old Toshiba Satellite 210CT. Pentium 133 processor w/ 24Mb RAM.
Oh yeah, she's a beast!
After reading a lot o' doc, i have two main questions.
1) What versions of what distros can someone recommend
a) its an old machine and as such doesn't meet the requirements of the latest versions
b) I'll be using it for teaching myself more about Linux and computer harware in general
c) where can i find these older versions?
2) Is it possible to just run an install from a burned CD?
a)The machine currently has windows 98 on it and I would prefer to wipe it out entirely and have a pure linux environment rather than partioning my hard drive which is only 1.26 GB
Thanks in advance!
John
I was just laid off and am really excited about the prospect of being able to work on pet projects in my free time. One of these is to learn about Linux.
I want to use a test machine, namely an old Toshiba Satellite 210CT. Pentium 133 processor w/ 24Mb RAM.
Oh yeah, she's a beast!
After reading a lot o' doc, i have two main questions.
1) What versions of what distros can someone recommend
a) its an old machine and as such doesn't meet the requirements of the latest versions
b) I'll be using it for teaching myself more about Linux and computer harware in general
c) where can i find these older versions?
2) Is it possible to just run an install from a burned CD?
a)The machine currently has windows 98 on it and I would prefer to wipe it out entirely and have a pure linux environment rather than partioning my hard drive which is only 1.26 GB
Thanks in advance!
John
sploo22
06-21-2003, 09:01 PM
Welcome to JustLinux, johnnyr77! :)
Your questions, in order:
1. a) I would recommend an older version of Red Hat for this purpose, as these versions have much fewer hardware demands. As the same time, however, Red Hat is known for being very easy to install and use. At 1.26 GB, though, it's going to be a tight squeeze.
c) Check out redhat.com.
2. Yes, in fact all linux distributions that I know of boot off of a CD. The entire Linux system is designed to be as platform-independent (within the same type of computer) as possible. Unless you haven't backed up your files, you might as well just go ahead and wipe your disk clean right now! :D
Your questions, in order:
1. a) I would recommend an older version of Red Hat for this purpose, as these versions have much fewer hardware demands. As the same time, however, Red Hat is known for being very easy to install and use. At 1.26 GB, though, it's going to be a tight squeeze.
c) Check out redhat.com.
2. Yes, in fact all linux distributions that I know of boot off of a CD. The entire Linux system is designed to be as platform-independent (within the same type of computer) as possible. Unless you haven't backed up your files, you might as well just go ahead and wipe your disk clean right now! :D
johnnyr77
06-21-2003, 09:15 PM
Hi sploo22,
Thanks for the quick reply!
I've actually been to redhat, I looked around for older versions of their stuff but couldn't distinguish the different parts from each other. Kernels, bases, system environments, libraries... I'm a bit confused, how can i download the whole package like with 9.0?
John
Thanks for the quick reply!
I've actually been to redhat, I looked around for older versions of their stuff but couldn't distinguish the different parts from each other. Kernels, bases, system environments, libraries... I'm a bit confused, how can i download the whole package like with 9.0?
John
Sepero
06-21-2003, 09:23 PM
I recommend slackware. I also recommend NOT installing an older version of ANY distro. You would likely be exposing yourself to well-known holes in lots of software. Just my $0.02. Good luck.
johnnyr77
06-21-2003, 09:40 PM
Sepero,
I checked out the slackware sight and found this:
"
Slackware Overview
Slackware Linux is a complete 32-bit multitasking "UNIX-like" system.i It's currently based around the 2.4 Linux kernel series and the GNU C Library version 2.3.1 (libc6). It contains an easy to use installation program, extensive online documentation, and a menu-driven package system. A full installation gives you the X Windows System, C/C++ development environments, Perl, networking utilities, a mail server, a news server, a web server, an ftp server, the GNU Image Manipulation Program, Netscape Communicator, plus many more programs. Slackware Linux can run on 386 systems all the way up to the latest x86 machines (but uses -mcpu=i686 optimization for best performance on i686-class machines like the P3, P4, and Duron/Athlon).
"
Now my main concern is that of system requirements, I found nothing specifying min. reqs. so will it work on my cpu (check original post for details) also what kind of software is available for this "flavor" does flavor even matter when it comes to software i.e. wordprocessors, media players etc.
thanks
P.S. Version Security is not an issue as this is only a test machine
Thanks,
John
I checked out the slackware sight and found this:
"
Slackware Overview
Slackware Linux is a complete 32-bit multitasking "UNIX-like" system.i It's currently based around the 2.4 Linux kernel series and the GNU C Library version 2.3.1 (libc6). It contains an easy to use installation program, extensive online documentation, and a menu-driven package system. A full installation gives you the X Windows System, C/C++ development environments, Perl, networking utilities, a mail server, a news server, a web server, an ftp server, the GNU Image Manipulation Program, Netscape Communicator, plus many more programs. Slackware Linux can run on 386 systems all the way up to the latest x86 machines (but uses -mcpu=i686 optimization for best performance on i686-class machines like the P3, P4, and Duron/Athlon).
"
Now my main concern is that of system requirements, I found nothing specifying min. reqs. so will it work on my cpu (check original post for details) also what kind of software is available for this "flavor" does flavor even matter when it comes to software i.e. wordprocessors, media players etc.
thanks
P.S. Version Security is not an issue as this is only a test machine
Thanks,
John
ricstr
06-21-2003, 09:50 PM
I dont think you will be able to use slackware version 9 or later as these are compiled for i686 processors, try an older slackware such as version 8.1.
johnnyr77
06-21-2003, 09:58 PM
ricstr,
from the slackware site:
"
Slackware Linux can run on 386 systems all the way up to the latest x86 machines (but uses -mcpu=i686 optimization for best performance on i686-class machines like the P3, P4, and Duron/Athlon).
"
I'm guessing its set in the config file?
Auto-detect?
from the slackware site:
"
Slackware Linux can run on 386 systems all the way up to the latest x86 machines (but uses -mcpu=i686 optimization for best performance on i686-class machines like the P3, P4, and Duron/Athlon).
"
I'm guessing its set in the config file?
Auto-detect?
endoalpha
06-21-2003, 10:08 PM
When compiling software, you can optimize (with gcc-3.x.x) by passing CFLAGS. "-mcpu=athlon-xp" would optimize for an athlon-xp, but be completely useable for any 386 and above processor. If a distro is optimized with "-march=athlon-xp" the binaries would only be useable on an athlon-xp (or mp).
smokybobo
06-22-2003, 01:07 AM
From the main faq on the slackware site:
Q: Is my hardware supported by Slackware?
Slackware supports all of the hardware that the Linux kernel supports. In addition, you may be able to find drivers for other hardware by looking around. For specific information on your hardware, check out the Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO. In addition to the Intel architechture, Slackware works on Alpha and SPARC systems as well.
Found here (http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general)
And for a more direct answer, you can look in the slackware book for min system reqs at http://www.slackware.com/book/index.php?source=x209.html
However, there are other distros that would work fairly well on your computer, like Vector and Peanut, and my current favourite, Debian. Of course, if you want to do everything yourself and you have tons of time (read: days to weeks) for installation alone, there's always linux from scratch or the similar but more automated gentoo. But for a fair compromise, slackware's a pretty good first go of it if learning is your main purpose IMO.
Q: Is my hardware supported by Slackware?
Slackware supports all of the hardware that the Linux kernel supports. In addition, you may be able to find drivers for other hardware by looking around. For specific information on your hardware, check out the Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO. In addition to the Intel architechture, Slackware works on Alpha and SPARC systems as well.
Found here (http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general)
And for a more direct answer, you can look in the slackware book for min system reqs at http://www.slackware.com/book/index.php?source=x209.html
However, there are other distros that would work fairly well on your computer, like Vector and Peanut, and my current favourite, Debian. Of course, if you want to do everything yourself and you have tons of time (read: days to weeks) for installation alone, there's always linux from scratch or the similar but more automated gentoo. But for a fair compromise, slackware's a pretty good first go of it if learning is your main purpose IMO.
Sepero
06-22-2003, 01:58 AM
Here are the Official Minimum System Requirements:
http://www.slackware.com/install/sysreq.php
This page should help you with the rest of the install:
http://www.slackware.com/install/
http://www.slackware.com/install/sysreq.php
This page should help you with the rest of the install:
http://www.slackware.com/install/
joshdude53
06-22-2003, 04:24 AM
I'm 15 and I'm relatively new to Linux as well, and of the distributions that I have tried, I have found that Lycoris has been the simplest. I never did try Lindows which is supposed to be simple also because there was no download available and it cost more than I wanted to spend. I've also run Redhat and Mandrake. These were more complex, but they also had free downloads available. Don't run Redhat if you have any multimedia such as mp3s on your computer because it won't run them, at least not version 9.0. Anyway, I bought Lycoris for $40 and it was worth it. If you do install Lycoris, you might have to download their Nvidia driver available on their website, due to the lack of Nvidia drivers included with the software.
o0zi
06-22-2003, 05:08 AM
I started using Red Hat when I first learnt about Linux, but I soon moved to Mandrake. I like Mandrake because it's easy to configure hardware in installation, the installation itself is easy, and yet there's still power underneath everything.
Slackware is good for power users, besides for the abysmal printer support I found in the last version I used (8.1).
Knoppix is great as well, but when you install it you have to spend some time getting rid of the bloat such as the background on the console window.
Slackware is good for power users, besides for the abysmal printer support I found in the last version I used (8.1).
Knoppix is great as well, but when you install it you have to spend some time getting rid of the bloat such as the background on the console window.
johnnyr77
06-22-2003, 06:57 AM
Slackware proponents, :-)
Thanks, I did go back and find that stuff right before i went to bed last night ~4am (I'm 9 hours ahead of the west coast).
Today I'll check out Peanut, Vector and Debian. I'm looking for as SmokeyBobo said, a fair compromise. So I think I'll shy away from a from scratch install.
Also, I've seen a lot of compatability issues with laptops (specially modified chips). Since I'm installing on a laptop what kind of problems should I keep an eye out for (or perhaps they are to varied and manufacturer specific?) I've been to the redhat compatability page and didn't find my laptop, that leads me to believe I won't find it elsewhere either.
Thanks again everyone!
John
Thanks, I did go back and find that stuff right before i went to bed last night ~4am (I'm 9 hours ahead of the west coast).
Today I'll check out Peanut, Vector and Debian. I'm looking for as SmokeyBobo said, a fair compromise. So I think I'll shy away from a from scratch install.
Also, I've seen a lot of compatability issues with laptops (specially modified chips). Since I'm installing on a laptop what kind of problems should I keep an eye out for (or perhaps they are to varied and manufacturer specific?) I've been to the redhat compatability page and didn't find my laptop, that leads me to believe I won't find it elsewhere either.
Thanks again everyone!
John
Sepero
06-22-2003, 08:49 AM
On my laptop(sony pcg-f420), I had to buy a pcmcia modem, because the MS has a monopoly on the installed (software)modem. It costed me about $20 US. Other than that, I've had no problems.
sclebo05
06-22-2003, 05:26 PM
i am glad that both the guys above this post have found something they like. new blood keeps things rolling!
asa151
06-23-2003, 08:36 AM
i sugest for home and bissness
SUse linux 8.2
it also has server capabilitys
SUse linux 8.2
it also has server capabilitys
asa151
06-23-2003, 08:36 AM
i sugest for home and bissness
SUse linux 8.2
it also has server capabilitys
SUse linux 8.2
it also has server capabilitys
stevewabc
06-23-2003, 05:32 PM
For $40 you could have got libranet2.8 thats 200 times better then Lycoris :p
Check It out - IT ROCKS
Check It out - IT ROCKS
YingYang
06-23-2003, 07:09 PM
I dont think you will be able to use slackware version 9 or later as these are compiled for i686 processors, try an older slackware such as version 8.1.
Won't a re-compile of the kernel for his type of processor fix that problem?
Cheers
Won't a re-compile of the kernel for his type of processor fix that problem?
Cheers
eric1
06-25-2003, 10:17 PM
I would really appreciate any advice that i can get on an Athlon optmized distro of linux. I need to do basic desktop work as well as the occasional game.
Thanks,
Eric
Thanks,
Eric
kshim5
06-25-2003, 10:39 PM
Try mandrake, RedHat or SuSe
arkaine23
06-26-2003, 01:21 AM
Gentoo for a somewhat involved install but easy maintainence.
JAMD for an easy install, but dependncy nightmares down the road.
JAMD for an easy install, but dependncy nightmares down the road.
lazarus777
06-26-2003, 01:52 AM
If you're not real familiar with *nix, I'd say go for SuSE, it's the best of the 'easy' distros, IMO (no flames please, just an opinion). If you are, look into Slackware.
mrBen
06-26-2003, 03:05 AM
For a distro that comes with anything other than i386 binaries, I think the only one is Mandrake, with uses i586 (unless things have changed in recent releases?)
Ultimately, if you want to optimise, you'll have to go for a distro that allows you to compile everything - Gentoo is probably your best bet for this.
Ultimately, if you want to optimise, you'll have to go for a distro that allows you to compile everything - Gentoo is probably your best bet for this.
dvdnut
06-26-2003, 06:14 AM
mdk is good for beginners
but im waiting for someone to bang on about how good debian is as i see it in every other thread!
;)
but im waiting for someone to bang on about how good debian is as i see it in every other thread!
;)
eric1
06-26-2003, 08:22 AM
I downloaded the JAMD distro, burned the image and tried an install but it said that kickstart could not load and promptly ejected the cd. I'll have to check on the JAMD site for help on that issue.
Gentoo looks interesting, yet the stage 1 install seems a bit overwhelming. Is the stage 2 install a good option for the time being?
Thanks again for all your replies,
Eric
Gentoo looks interesting, yet the stage 1 install seems a bit overwhelming. Is the stage 2 install a good option for the time being?
Thanks again for all your replies,
Eric
ven0m
06-26-2003, 08:32 AM
but im waiting for someone to bang on about how good debian is as i see it in every other thread!
I'll bite then...
Debian a great distro once you have everything setup, all you have to do is apt-get to update your entire system and you don't have to worry about dependencies... brilliant
I'll bite then...
Debian a great distro once you have everything setup, all you have to do is apt-get to update your entire system and you don't have to worry about dependencies... brilliant
Hayl
06-26-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by eric1
Gentoo looks interesting, yet the stage 1 install seems a bit overwhelming. Is the stage 2 install a good option for the time being?
imho, stage 1 is a waste of time because it (mainly) just recompiles the c/c++ compiler however, the ebuilds for the c/c++ compiler strip out most optimizations so you can draw your own conclusions.
i always do stage 2. your system won't be any slower than someone who starts at stage 1 since all the stuff that matters will get compiled with optimizations: X, web browsers, KDE, Gnome, Window Managers, etc.
Gentoo looks interesting, yet the stage 1 install seems a bit overwhelming. Is the stage 2 install a good option for the time being?
imho, stage 1 is a waste of time because it (mainly) just recompiles the c/c++ compiler however, the ebuilds for the c/c++ compiler strip out most optimizations so you can draw your own conclusions.
i always do stage 2. your system won't be any slower than someone who starts at stage 1 since all the stuff that matters will get compiled with optimizations: X, web browsers, KDE, Gnome, Window Managers, etc.
mdwatts
06-26-2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by eric1
I would really appreciate any advice that i can get on an Athlon optmized distro of linux. I need to do basic desktop work as well as the occasional game.
Thanks,
Eric
Any distro will do as long as you can compile the kernel yourself and optimize your hardware settings and select the proper AMD processor type.
#
# Processor type and features
#
# CONFIG_M386 is not set
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set
# CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
# CONFIG_M586MMX is not set
# CONFIG_M686 is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set
# CONFIG_MK6 is not set
# CONFIG_MK7 is not set ** THIS ONE **
# CONFIG_MELAN is not set
# CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set
# CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set
CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y
CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y
CONFIG_X86_XADD=y
CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y
CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG8=y
CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=5
CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y
CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y
CONFIG_X86_PGE=y
CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y
CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE=y
CONFIG_X86_MCE=y
CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m
CONFIG_I8K=m
CONFIG_MICROCODE=m
CONFIG_X86_MSR=m
CONFIG_X86_CPUID=m
# CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y
CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
CONFIG_HIGHIO=y
CONFIG_X86_PAE=y
CONFIG_FORCE_MAX_ZONEORDER=10
CONFIG_1GB=y
# CONFIG_2GB is not set
# CONFIG_3GB is not set
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_MTRR=y
CONFIG_SMP=y
CONFIG_ES7000=y
# CONFIG_MULTIQUAD is not set
CONFIG_X86_CYCLONE=y
CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y
CONFIG_MXT=y
I would really appreciate any advice that i can get on an Athlon optmized distro of linux. I need to do basic desktop work as well as the occasional game.
Thanks,
Eric
Any distro will do as long as you can compile the kernel yourself and optimize your hardware settings and select the proper AMD processor type.
#
# Processor type and features
#
# CONFIG_M386 is not set
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set
# CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
# CONFIG_M586MMX is not set
# CONFIG_M686 is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set
# CONFIG_MK6 is not set
# CONFIG_MK7 is not set ** THIS ONE **
# CONFIG_MELAN is not set
# CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set
# CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set
CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y
CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y
CONFIG_X86_XADD=y
CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y
CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG8=y
CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=5
CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y
CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y
CONFIG_X86_PGE=y
CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y
CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE=y
CONFIG_X86_MCE=y
CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m
CONFIG_I8K=m
CONFIG_MICROCODE=m
CONFIG_X86_MSR=m
CONFIG_X86_CPUID=m
# CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y
CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
CONFIG_HIGHIO=y
CONFIG_X86_PAE=y
CONFIG_FORCE_MAX_ZONEORDER=10
CONFIG_1GB=y
# CONFIG_2GB is not set
# CONFIG_3GB is not set
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_MTRR=y
CONFIG_SMP=y
CONFIG_ES7000=y
# CONFIG_MULTIQUAD is not set
CONFIG_X86_CYCLONE=y
CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y
CONFIG_MXT=y
andysimmons
06-26-2003, 10:02 AM
You might find
this (http://linuxperf.nl.linux.org/general/kerneltuning.html) link helpful.
this (http://linuxperf.nl.linux.org/general/kerneltuning.html) link helpful.
serz
06-26-2003, 12:25 PM
Any distribution will run fast on your computer.
Btw, if you want to read some info about the different distributions check this site: www.distrowatch.com
Btw, if you want to read some info about the different distributions check this site: www.distrowatch.com
DavidSulc
06-27-2003, 04:51 AM
Hi !
Also, I've seen a lot of compatability issues with laptops (specially modified chips). Since I'm installing on a laptop what kind of problems should I keep an eye out for (or perhaps they are to varied and manufacturer specific?)
You might want to check this page out. I didn't find your specific model, but it'll probably give you a good idea of the problems you might encounter :
http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html
Also, I've seen a lot of compatability issues with laptops (specially modified chips). Since I'm installing on a laptop what kind of problems should I keep an eye out for (or perhaps they are to varied and manufacturer specific?)
You might want to check this page out. I didn't find your specific model, but it'll probably give you a good idea of the problems you might encounter :
http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html
SDS
06-27-2003, 11:41 PM
Well, I bought Redhat 8.0 as my first distro(didn't have DSL at the time) and found that it wasn't as easy to get up and running. Getting my modem and soundcard to work took much more knowledge than I had and I couldn't get things to work with the documentation I could find. That's not really a distro-specific problem, but I'm just saying that there are better distros for hardware auto-detection, as Mandrak seems to be able to automatically detect all my hardware(judging from their compatability lists online). Well, WinModems are always a ***** with any linux distro.
I guess the most important things newbies(I consider myself one, too) should watch out for are easy, graphical install and perhaps a familiar GUI(one that they can fugure out pretty easily), as well as check to see if your distro is compatible with your hardware or that you can easily find drivers to get it working.
Newbies probably don't want to spend too much time in the GUI, though. You need some time in the command shell to figure things out. Oh, and to make sure you use the command line frequently to make sure you don't forget commads and stuff. I probably sound like a broken record. This has all been said before.
I guess the most important things newbies(I consider myself one, too) should watch out for are easy, graphical install and perhaps a familiar GUI(one that they can fugure out pretty easily), as well as check to see if your distro is compatible with your hardware or that you can easily find drivers to get it working.
Newbies probably don't want to spend too much time in the GUI, though. You need some time in the command shell to figure things out. Oh, and to make sure you use the command line frequently to make sure you don't forget commads and stuff. I probably sound like a broken record. This has all been said before.
psirix
06-28-2003, 10:28 AM
[took me only 36 hours to get my NVIDIA drivers working... Those 3 CD's that you download, do not install any kernel headers.... have to manually install them off the CD after primary install ::) [/B]
Yeah...same thing here when I first installed linux even though I started with slackware, but I gave up using the new drivers and went to the old version because I'm a very impatient person like that...but it only took me about 8 hours through the whole thing...but about only 15 minutes for the old drivers.
Yeah...same thing here when I first installed linux even though I started with slackware, but I gave up using the new drivers and went to the old version because I'm a very impatient person like that...but it only took me about 8 hours through the whole thing...but about only 15 minutes for the old drivers.
JustinH
06-29-2003, 12:16 PM
I recently acquired a
Amd K62 350mhz box from a friend who was going to throw it away.
It has 64 megs of ram, and two 1.5 gig hard drives.
Anyway, I wanted to integrate it into my home network, which consists of 2 other windows xp machines.
I will be using a linksys router, and the 350mhz box will have a netgear router.
I just need the 350mhz box to to very basic functions.
1.) surf the internet
2.) instant messange
3.) some light wordprocessor documents
What distro should I put on this thing that will run fast, and look decent?
I foolishly put a copy of the newest version of redhat on it, and it crawls.
Then I downloaded the ISO's to redhat 7, and it still runs very poorly.
Is there such thing as a good linux distro for these slow computers.
It must have a good X windows system, and thats about it.
Thanks,
Justin
Amd K62 350mhz box from a friend who was going to throw it away.
It has 64 megs of ram, and two 1.5 gig hard drives.
Anyway, I wanted to integrate it into my home network, which consists of 2 other windows xp machines.
I will be using a linksys router, and the 350mhz box will have a netgear router.
I just need the 350mhz box to to very basic functions.
1.) surf the internet
2.) instant messange
3.) some light wordprocessor documents
What distro should I put on this thing that will run fast, and look decent?
I foolishly put a copy of the newest version of redhat on it, and it crawls.
Then I downloaded the ISO's to redhat 7, and it still runs very poorly.
Is there such thing as a good linux distro for these slow computers.
It must have a good X windows system, and thats about it.
Thanks,
Justin
fancypiper
06-29-2003, 12:21 PM
64 mb RAM is sort of low for current releases.
# What distro should I use
A Beginner's Guide to Choosing a Linux Distribution (http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major)
# What distro should I use
A Beginner's Guide to Choosing a Linux Distribution (http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major)
shadowrider
06-29-2003, 12:24 PM
well all distro will be the same if you're using the same x windows.
the most thing that slows down your system is the x windows, but again you can use "lighter" windows manager such as *box which will speed it up.
for the distro itself, use something like debian, arch, crux, or gentoo. they're some of the minimal ones.
actually, if you just use the lighter windows manager with redhat, it will improve but might not be a lot.
the most thing that slows down your system is the x windows, but again you can use "lighter" windows manager such as *box which will speed it up.
for the distro itself, use something like debian, arch, crux, or gentoo. they're some of the minimal ones.
actually, if you just use the lighter windows manager with redhat, it will improve but might not be a lot.
nowonmai
07-01-2003, 07:45 AM
considering that a 64MB dimm (or whatever a machine like that would take) is about $40 I'd say just buy a bit of extra memory for it. I have a few ~350MHz machines with 128MB memory and 3GB HDDs and they do the basics very nicely... not blisteringly quick, but they were very cheap :)
coppicat
07-01-2003, 09:31 AM
Vector Linux 3.2 SOHO or Vector Linux 3.2 if you want maximum performance. SOHO takes about 1.7 gigs but runs well on my Pentium 200 64megs RAM. KDE is a bit slow and Open Office takes forever to load, but then Abiword is also installed and pops up in seconds....3.2 I believe installs in about 600megs disk space. Both based on Slackware....
andycrofts
07-02-2003, 02:01 AM
Hi
Rather taken by this concept....
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/07/01/music.marketing.ap/index.html
Just as long as you don't get the distro. with Mcdonalds Cola.
I can hear it now.
"You want Slackware with that?"
-Andy
Rather taken by this concept....
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/07/01/music.marketing.ap/index.html
Just as long as you don't get the distro. with Mcdonalds Cola.
I can hear it now.
"You want Slackware with that?"
-Andy
epetrone
07-02-2003, 01:22 PM
I started out with Red hat because I had heard so much about it. Then I saw there were other versions out there. So I went to the internet where you can buy any version you want for 1.00. It might not be registered but it will tell you whether or not you like it. After trying several different versions, I found Mandrake was the best for me. I am a newb and it was the easiest to install and configure and I like the way the desktop is setup. There's my opinion. Go Mandrake.
jamez1988
07-02-2003, 01:44 PM
i use mandrake linux 7.0 on a 100 megaherz pentium system w/ a 1.5 gig hd and it runs fine.
of course, it may be running slow and i dont know it bc ive never seen linux running on a *good* system.
but even kde 1 only takes about 20 seconds to fully load, and thats a ton faster then windows 98 running on the same system
of course, it may be running slow and i dont know it bc ive never seen linux running on a *good* system.
but even kde 1 only takes about 20 seconds to fully load, and thats a ton faster then windows 98 running on the same system
oubipaws
07-03-2003, 07:35 AM
What distro do you recommend for macs?
300mhz
64mb ram
10gig
300mhz
64mb ram
10gig
dysharmonic
07-03-2003, 09:02 AM
[took me only 36 hours to get my NVIDIA drivers working... Those 3 CD's that you download, do not install any kernel headers.... have to manually install them off the CD after primary install : [/B]
If you choose to manually pick which packages to be installed during Linux setup, you will be able to browse each section and select those you need.
Either way, so long as it works, that's the point :)
If you choose to manually pick which packages to be installed during Linux setup, you will be able to browse each section and select those you need.
Either way, so long as it works, that's the point :)
bproffitt
07-03-2003, 12:10 PM
I personally like Yellow Dog, but that's just me.
By your avatar I see you are a Gentoo user; you might want to look into Gentoo for PPC for consistency's sake.
Peace,
Brian Proffitt
By your avatar I see you are a Gentoo user; you might want to look into Gentoo for PPC for consistency's sake.
Peace,
Brian Proffitt
BigCletus
07-03-2003, 06:03 PM
for my "internet box" i have a HP vectra PII 266 Mhz 192 MB Ram (upgraded from 64, made a huge difference). Runs Red Hat 7.3 and I use Window Maker as the only wm. It also hosts my website and is up 24/7. It is very stable and fast enough for internet surfing. Best of all it only cost $70 bucks from a local computer recycling place!
CrashTestDummy9
07-05-2003, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
If you choose to manually pick which packages to be installed during Linux setup, you will be able to browse each section and select those you need.
Either way, so long as it works, that's the point :) Hell click on install everything if you have HD space. You know you'll have everything you need and you wont have to guess.
:D
ps: very gentle bump
If you choose to manually pick which packages to be installed during Linux setup, you will be able to browse each section and select those you need.
Either way, so long as it works, that's the point :) Hell click on install everything if you have HD space. You know you'll have everything you need and you wont have to guess.
:D
ps: very gentle bump
CrashTestDummy9
07-05-2003, 01:15 AM
quote:
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[took me only 36 hours to get my NVIDIA drivers working... Those 3 CD's that you download, do not install any kernel headers.... have to manually install them off the CD after primary install : [/B]
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It really only takes about 5 minutes if youre a 2 fingered typer like me.
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[took me only 36 hours to get my NVIDIA drivers working... Those 3 CD's that you download, do not install any kernel headers.... have to manually install them off the CD after primary install : [/B]
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It really only takes about 5 minutes if youre a 2 fingered typer like me.
tcarradine
07-05-2003, 06:08 PM
but here goes, i have limited hardware on a system running in my new coffee house (opened the third of july and doing great!!!)
so,
K6-2 475 Mhz
256 MB SDRAM
12 GB HDD
Basic Sound (not needed since i have a really nice sound system in here)
14 in. monitor capable of 1024x768 (but working better at 800x600)
what i'm looking for is a really light weight distro that will be nice and speedy on my limited equipment. i have several systems around this speed which i'm going to be setting up here as a temp solution for internet access. (as funding comes in i'll purchase nicer equipment)
any suggestions would be great!
Tim
so,
K6-2 475 Mhz
256 MB SDRAM
12 GB HDD
Basic Sound (not needed since i have a really nice sound system in here)
14 in. monitor capable of 1024x768 (but working better at 800x600)
what i'm looking for is a really light weight distro that will be nice and speedy on my limited equipment. i have several systems around this speed which i'm going to be setting up here as a temp solution for internet access. (as funding comes in i'll purchase nicer equipment)
any suggestions would be great!
Tim
sploo22
07-05-2003, 06:15 PM
There have been several posts on this topic recently; you could have saved yourself some time by searching first.
Slackware and Vector Linux both run well on older systems, as does Debian.
Slackware and Vector Linux both run well on older systems, as does Debian.
mdwatts
07-05-2003, 06:19 PM
Look through the Technical forum for the last couple of weeks and you will find lots of previous thread on the same subject.
mdwatts
07-05-2003, 06:21 PM
Here's one of them (http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104698&highlight=hardware)
hop-frog
07-05-2003, 09:37 PM
SuSE. It will run great on those specs. I am running 8.0 on a system that is almost exactly identical and KDE runs just fine. SuSE ranks alongside Red Hat and Mandrake for easy installation and maintenance. I recommend you try out the free 1-disk Live Evaluation CD for 8.2 available at the Web site. You can also download the entire distro via ftp.
hop-frog
07-05-2003, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by mdwatts
Here's one of them (http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104698&highlight=hardware) Except that that person has much older specs. I wouldn't recommend SuSE on 24MB or ram, unless they weren't planning on running X.
Here's one of them (http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104698&highlight=hardware) Except that that person has much older specs. I wouldn't recommend SuSE on 24MB or ram, unless they weren't planning on running X.
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 10:01 PM
I have a bunch of 286 computers, with 640k of ram, and (2) 5.25 360k floppy disks, cga graphics card and monitor. I would like to install linux and have KDE running too, would like to give them internet access, but they wont take network cards, and all I have are 300BPS modems, but they are external, and should work with Linux.
I don't want some watered down distor of Linux, I want the best there is, and I want it to install in under 5 minutes each.
I would also like to play Unreal tournament on them, as well as Tux Racer.
Which Distro should I use?
I did a forum search, but oddly enough, there is no other thread like this one.
BaVinic
BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that :D
I don't want some watered down distor of Linux, I want the best there is, and I want it to install in under 5 minutes each.
I would also like to play Unreal tournament on them, as well as Tux Racer.
Which Distro should I use?
I did a forum search, but oddly enough, there is no other thread like this one.
BaVinic
BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that :D
Hayl
07-05-2003, 10:07 PM
<moving to /dev/random>
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Hayl
<moving to /dev/random>
I am sorry, I don't know why, but I thought I was in /dev/random my mistake, I will make sure to pay closers attention next time.
BaVinic
<moving to /dev/random>
I am sorry, I don't know why, but I thought I was in /dev/random my mistake, I will make sure to pay closers attention next time.
BaVinic
chatins
07-05-2003, 10:20 PM
Genius, the minimum requirement for Linux is a 386 CPU.
My IBM PC 5010 will be 23 in August. I only turn it on once a quarter so the caps don't dry out.
My IBM PC 5010 will be 23 in August. I only turn it on once a quarter so the caps don't dry out.
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by chatins
Genius, the minimum requirement for Linux is a 386 CPU.
My IBM PC 5010 will be 23 in August. I only turn it on once a quarter so the caps don't dry out.
Actually, I really have a bunch of 286's ( as well as 386's and so on) and I actually have one that has Linux on it, it is a REAL old rh distro, but it runs in CLI mode, also have several VMS machines. would love to get them linked to Linux, what a hoot that would be :D
BaVinic
Genius, the minimum requirement for Linux is a 386 CPU.
My IBM PC 5010 will be 23 in August. I only turn it on once a quarter so the caps don't dry out.
Actually, I really have a bunch of 286's ( as well as 386's and so on) and I actually have one that has Linux on it, it is a REAL old rh distro, but it runs in CLI mode, also have several VMS machines. would love to get them linked to Linux, what a hoot that would be :D
BaVinic
The Whizzard
07-05-2003, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by chatins
Genius, the minimum requirement for Linux is a 386 CPU.
My IBM PC 5010 will be 23 in August. I only turn it on once a quarter so the caps don't dry out. The first couple of times I read the post, I missed the BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that part.
I'd like to run Linux on my 8088, myself but don't see that happening anytime soon. ;)
Genius, the minimum requirement for Linux is a 386 CPU.
My IBM PC 5010 will be 23 in August. I only turn it on once a quarter so the caps don't dry out. The first couple of times I read the post, I missed the BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that part.
I'd like to run Linux on my 8088, myself but don't see that happening anytime soon. ;)
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by The Whizzard
The first couple of times I read the post, I missed the BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that part.
I'd like to run Linux on my 8088, myself but don't see that happening anytime soon. ;)
I hear that, how about on a Timex Sinclare 1000, I think it has an 8k ram pack still sticking out of the back :D
My thread was really a tribute to some of the other questions I have read from the same catagory if you know what I mean. :D
BaVinic
The first couple of times I read the post, I missed the BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that part.
I'd like to run Linux on my 8088, myself but don't see that happening anytime soon. ;)
I hear that, how about on a Timex Sinclare 1000, I think it has an 8k ram pack still sticking out of the back :D
My thread was really a tribute to some of the other questions I have read from the same catagory if you know what I mean. :D
BaVinic
chatins
07-05-2003, 10:31 PM
BaVinc,
Before you start a thread like this it is helpful to really know your old computers.
That is a 16k ram pack sticking out of the back of your Sinclair ZX81, Timex 1000. Both machines had an 8k rom.
Before you start a thread like this it is helpful to really know your old computers.
That is a 16k ram pack sticking out of the back of your Sinclair ZX81, Timex 1000. Both machines had an 8k rom.
chatins
07-05-2003, 10:33 PM
BTW, Does Linux support Zilog CPU's
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by chatins
BaVinc,
Before you start a thread like this it is helpful to really know your old computers.
That is a 16k ram pack sticking out of the back of your Sinclair ZX81, Timex 1000. Both machines had an 8k rom.
You know, I take offense to that statement, the Timex Sinclair 1000 I have sitting here has an 8K ram pack sticking out of the back, and for you to imply that I am wrong, is just rude.
And not to put too much of a snit on this, I do know my old computers, and would put my knowledge against yours any day! :D
And another thing, if you are going to spell my name, at least spell it right it is B a V i n i c :D
BaVinic
BaVinc,
Before you start a thread like this it is helpful to really know your old computers.
That is a 16k ram pack sticking out of the back of your Sinclair ZX81, Timex 1000. Both machines had an 8k rom.
You know, I take offense to that statement, the Timex Sinclair 1000 I have sitting here has an 8K ram pack sticking out of the back, and for you to imply that I am wrong, is just rude.
And not to put too much of a snit on this, I do know my old computers, and would put my knowledge against yours any day! :D
And another thing, if you are going to spell my name, at least spell it right it is B a V i n i c :D
BaVinic
sharth
07-05-2003, 10:45 PM
i so missed the joke part :) till i started reading replies.
i did think that maybe doing a cluster might work... dunno how the video card would work in that mess, although i do have 1 or 2 isa video cards lying around, dunno how well they will do with opengl :)
i did think that maybe doing a cluster might work... dunno how the video card would work in that mess, although i do have 1 or 2 isa video cards lying around, dunno how well they will do with opengl :)
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by sharth
i so missed the joke part :) till i started reading replies.
:D
We should run a contest, see what is the oldest, oddest computer setup, that one can get any distro ( or kernel verson) to run on.
It would be interesting to see the results, plus it would give those of us, who refuse to toss out the old computers, something to do with them.
:D
BaVinic
i so missed the joke part :) till i started reading replies.
:D
We should run a contest, see what is the oldest, oddest computer setup, that one can get any distro ( or kernel verson) to run on.
It would be interesting to see the results, plus it would give those of us, who refuse to toss out the old computers, something to do with them.
:D
BaVinic
chatins
07-05-2003, 11:08 PM
B a V i n i c,
The web was not around for these machines but that does not mean that the machines are not on the web.
http://www.vassmer.com/computermuseum/timexsinclair1000-pictures.html
Look its a 16k ram pack... the only one ever made for the 1000!
:rolleyes:
The web was not around for these machines but that does not mean that the machines are not on the web.
http://www.vassmer.com/computermuseum/timexsinclair1000-pictures.html
Look its a 16k ram pack... the only one ever made for the 1000!
:rolleyes:
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by chatins
B a V i n i c,
The web was not around for these machines but that does not mean that the machines are not on the web.
http://www.vassmer.com/computermuseum/timexsinclair1000-pictures.html
Look its a 16k ram pack... the only one ever made for the 1000!
:rolleyes:
my you are really an annoying little fellow aren't you, I looked at that site, and as impressing as it is, the fact that this module is sticking out of my timex sinclair says 8K ram proves that you are mistaken. now, how about we get off this subject, you are not impressing me with your witt.
BaVinic
B a V i n i c,
The web was not around for these machines but that does not mean that the machines are not on the web.
http://www.vassmer.com/computermuseum/timexsinclair1000-pictures.html
Look its a 16k ram pack... the only one ever made for the 1000!
:rolleyes:
my you are really an annoying little fellow aren't you, I looked at that site, and as impressing as it is, the fact that this module is sticking out of my timex sinclair says 8K ram proves that you are mistaken. now, how about we get off this subject, you are not impressing me with your witt.
BaVinic
JusKickNit
07-05-2003, 11:47 PM
Well if a 16k was the only one ever made then BaVinic and I must be sitting on a gold mine. Mine says 8k also, Slick. And since you pointed us to the website you should have read the instructions page 2. You will see that it has 2k not 8k w/o the expansion. And nowhere does it say it was the only one ever made.
BaVinic
07-05-2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by JusKickNit
Well if a 16k was the only one ever made then BaVinic and I must be sitting on a gold mine. Mine says 8k also, Slick. And since you pointed us to the website you should have read the instructions page 2. You will see that it has 2k not 8k w/o the expansion. And nowhere does it say it was the only one ever made.
Maybe, he is right, it could be that you have the other half of my module, that would explain the conflict :D
BaVinic
Well if a 16k was the only one ever made then BaVinic and I must be sitting on a gold mine. Mine says 8k also, Slick. And since you pointed us to the website you should have read the instructions page 2. You will see that it has 2k not 8k w/o the expansion. And nowhere does it say it was the only one ever made.
Maybe, he is right, it could be that you have the other half of my module, that would explain the conflict :D
BaVinic
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
07-06-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by chatins
B a V i n i c,
The web was not around for these machines but that does not mean that the machines are not on the web.
http://www.vassmer.com/computermuseum/timexsinclair1000-pictures.html
Look its a 16k ram pack... the only one ever made for the 1000!
:rolleyes:
WHO CARES???
Bavinic made this post as a joke. Why try to ruin the fun at his expense?
Dirty pool, man, dirty pool... :rolleyes:
B a V i n i c,
The web was not around for these machines but that does not mean that the machines are not on the web.
http://www.vassmer.com/computermuseum/timexsinclair1000-pictures.html
Look its a 16k ram pack... the only one ever made for the 1000!
:rolleyes:
WHO CARES???
Bavinic made this post as a joke. Why try to ruin the fun at his expense?
Dirty pool, man, dirty pool... :rolleyes:
JusKickNit
07-06-2003, 12:21 AM
That's what it is they where seperated at birth:D That why this thing is so slow!
Well Said alc6379
I'm being serious now! I have an old Mac that somebody gave me. Don't know any specs on it, but it has a 20 or 25 mhz proc. Do you think it will run YellowDog 3.0
Well Said alc6379
I'm being serious now! I have an old Mac that somebody gave me. Don't know any specs on it, but it has a 20 or 25 mhz proc. Do you think it will run YellowDog 3.0
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
07-06-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by JusKickNit
That's what it is they where seperated at birth:D That why this thing is so slow!
Well Said alc6379
I'm being serious now! I have an old Mac that somebody gave me. Don't know any specs on it, but it has a 20 or 25 mhz proc. Do you think it will run YellowDog 3.0
Thank you...
But, what model Mac is it? It's probably based off of the Motorola 680x0 series processors, so you can probably run Debian Linux on it. For more information, check out http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ .
That's what it is they where seperated at birth:D That why this thing is so slow!
Well Said alc6379
I'm being serious now! I have an old Mac that somebody gave me. Don't know any specs on it, but it has a 20 or 25 mhz proc. Do you think it will run YellowDog 3.0
Thank you...
But, what model Mac is it? It's probably based off of the Motorola 680x0 series processors, so you can probably run Debian Linux on it. For more information, check out http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ .
JusKickNit
07-06-2003, 12:41 AM
Hey thanks for the link. Not sure about the model I'll have to dig it out the closet. I've been wanting to get it out and mess with it abit.
mdwatts
07-06-2003, 08:58 AM
Damn as on Friday a friend at work (our system architect) came by to pickup a old IBM XT & AT I had stored away plus 3 bags of old computer parts mostly from the 80's. He has some sort of computer museum at his home.
If only I had known I would have kept at least the AT (whopping 1mb ram and 20mb HD).
:(
If only I had known I would have kept at least the AT (whopping 1mb ram and 20mb HD).
:(
Some Old Guy
07-06-2003, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by mdwatts
Caldera OpenLinux Workstation 3.1.1
With all the FUD that SCO/Caldera (with M$ backing) is trying to pull on IBM (and all of us by extension), I certainly wouldn't recommend supporting them!
Try SuSE 8.2. The YaST installer is great, and broadband PPPOE setup was a dream. Some trouble with non-native video support, but overall the best desktop distro out there.
Caldera OpenLinux Workstation 3.1.1
With all the FUD that SCO/Caldera (with M$ backing) is trying to pull on IBM (and all of us by extension), I certainly wouldn't recommend supporting them!
Try SuSE 8.2. The YaST installer is great, and broadband PPPOE setup was a dream. Some trouble with non-native video support, but overall the best desktop distro out there.
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
07-06-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by mdwatts
Damn as on Friday a friend at work (our system architect) came by to pickup a old IBM XT & AT I had stored away plus 3 bags of old computer parts mostly from the 80's. He has some sort of computer museum at his home.
If only I had known I would have kept at least the AT (whopping 1mb ram and 20mb HD).
:(
I've still got quite a few old machines. None as old as the Sinclair, though:
IBM XT, 640k RAM, 10MB hard drive, 4.77mhz
Atari 800, 32k RAM?
Commodore ViC-20, I know nothing about it.
And I think my father in law has some old ones scattered about. I did hear that there was a distro of Linux someone was working on to put Linux on the XT...
Damn as on Friday a friend at work (our system architect) came by to pickup a old IBM XT & AT I had stored away plus 3 bags of old computer parts mostly from the 80's. He has some sort of computer museum at his home.
If only I had known I would have kept at least the AT (whopping 1mb ram and 20mb HD).
:(
I've still got quite a few old machines. None as old as the Sinclair, though:
IBM XT, 640k RAM, 10MB hard drive, 4.77mhz
Atari 800, 32k RAM?
Commodore ViC-20, I know nothing about it.
And I think my father in law has some old ones scattered about. I did hear that there was a distro of Linux someone was working on to put Linux on the XT...
mdwatts
07-06-2003, 02:05 PM
The Vic-20 had 5k (my first computer) and then I bought the Commodore 64 with a whopping 64k. Didn't think I would ever need more than that.
Of course I said the same when I got my first 386-33 with 5mb memory (enough to run WFWG) and a 30mb HD.
With all the money I've spent so far, I could have bought a house.
<edit>
I still have the Commodore monitor I had for the 64. 1201 or something like that. It has front RCA plugs so you can plugin a VCR or Cablebox converter.
Of course I said the same when I got my first 386-33 with 5mb memory (enough to run WFWG) and a 30mb HD.
With all the money I've spent so far, I could have bought a house.
<edit>
I still have the Commodore monitor I had for the 64. 1201 or something like that. It has front RCA plugs so you can plugin a VCR or Cablebox converter.
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
07-06-2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by mdwatts
I still have the Commodore monitor I had for the 64. 1201 or something like that. It has front RCA plugs so you can plugin a VCR or Cablebox converter.
I actually still use my C64 monitor-- my Playstation's hooked up to it right now!
I still have the Commodore monitor I had for the 64. 1201 or something like that. It has front RCA plugs so you can plugin a VCR or Cablebox converter.
I actually still use my C64 monitor-- my Playstation's hooked up to it right now!
mdwatts
07-06-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
I actually still use my C64 monitor-- my Playstation's hooked up to it right now!
1901 isn't it?
Great little 12" monitors. Mine is currently on the top shelf in the bedroom closet.
I actually still use my C64 monitor-- my Playstation's hooked up to it right now!
1901 isn't it?
Great little 12" monitors. Mine is currently on the top shelf in the bedroom closet.
dysharmonic
07-07-2003, 11:08 AM
Hi
Just got Mandrake 9.1, a 3 CD set, but on the printed cover, it says RC 2.
I wonder what that means?
Just got Mandrake 9.1, a 3 CD set, but on the printed cover, it says RC 2.
I wonder what that means?
deanrantala
07-07-2003, 11:50 AM
I got an old atari 5200 laying around somewhere - think I can get KDE and Xine on that?:D
naddie
07-07-2003, 05:40 PM
I had a Dell Inspiron 5000 and a D-Link PC Card NIC (detected as a Realtek), and everything got detected and worked out of the install (what box? lol).
I have a Compaq Presario 2210US now, and wonder which distro is good to go. I have a D-Link DWL-650+ wireless LAN card now.
I have a Compaq Presario 2210US now, and wonder which distro is good to go. I have a D-Link DWL-650+ wireless LAN card now.
stevewabc
07-08-2003, 12:10 AM
Try Libranet2.8 90 Min.set up max and your up and running that inclouds loading it... Great Distro...Blows Redhat, SuSE and Mandrake right out of the water!!!! they cant touch this.:D
tyanni
07-08-2003, 09:31 AM
Not sure if this is the right forum, but bear with me. I would like to turn a old laptop (Presario 1625) with a Pentium and 32 MB of ram into a mp3 player for my car. I thought about running a version of knoppix from the cd, but would like to play cd's too. Suggestions on a distro that has a cd/mp3 player, but is very small? I do not need a gui.
Currently, I am going to try Morphix LightGUI, which is only about 200 MB and optimized for older machines. It has a gui, but might still work. Also, you can install it to a HDD.
Thanks!
Tim
Currently, I am going to try Morphix LightGUI, which is only about 200 MB and optimized for older machines. It has a gui, but might still work. Also, you can install it to a HDD.
Thanks!
Tim
oubipaws
07-08-2003, 09:36 AM
You could download gentoo and set it up optimized for your system and just put what you need on it (an mp3 player or whatever else you want)
Hayl
07-08-2003, 09:37 AM
you can install any software you want on any distro, so any old minimal distro will do.
www.distrowatch.com
www.distrowatch.com
oubipaws
07-08-2003, 09:42 AM
I dont know this for sure, but you might can take a floppy distro and put an mp3 player on it
mdwatts
07-08-2003, 10:09 AM
And my personal favorite http://old.lwn.net/Distributions/
oubipaws
07-08-2003, 10:14 AM
thats a great site mdwatts....
What distro are you running?
What distro are you running?
mdwatts
07-08-2003, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by oubipaws
thats a great site mdwatts....
What distro are you running?
I often post it here whenever a member is looking for a specific type of distro (minimal, floppy based etc.).
thats a great site mdwatts....
What distro are you running?
I often post it here whenever a member is looking for a specific type of distro (minimal, floppy based etc.).
tanna
07-08-2003, 10:17 AM
He is using phatlinux on xp. ;)
j/k
j/k
oubipaws
07-08-2003, 10:25 AM
someone should make a linux theme for windows XP :p
o0zi
07-08-2003, 12:47 PM
How about MoviX for a multimedia-distro which is small and light?
bandwidth_pig
07-08-2003, 07:44 PM
Debian would be your best bet.
serz
07-08-2003, 08:01 PM
What were you usign that it was slow? I belive you were using KDE/GNOME? I'd suggest you to try any based on the window manager "Blackbox" such as Openbox/Fluxbox that looks pretty nice and it's very fast.
If you're looking for something light think about Debian or Slack. Anyway.. check this (www.distrowatch.com) site.
If you're looking for something light think about Debian or Slack. Anyway.. check this (www.distrowatch.com) site.
mrbl0nde
07-08-2003, 08:22 PM
gentoo + fluxbox (the answer to everything)
psi42
07-09-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by coppicat
Vector Linux 3.2 SOHO or Vector Linux 3.2 if you want maximum performance.
Definitely. I have a machine with a very similar configuration (AMD-K62 350Mhz, 64MB RAM) and VL 3.2 runs great on it. (It even runs very well on my old P150 with 16MB RAM)
It comes with xfce and icewm, which run very fast, and fluxbox can be installed very quickly.
It has abiword, gaim, sylpheed, and a lot of other stuff:D.
I have installed mozilla firebird, it takes a good 10 seconds to load on my 350Mhz system but once loaded it runs fine.
It also comes with Dillo, which is just about the FASTEST web browser I have ever seen. If you're willing to put up with it crashing occasionally (it's still alpha) you will see web pages load very quickly, even on dialup.
<search keywords>
< distro old systems low memory >
Vector Linux 3.2 SOHO or Vector Linux 3.2 if you want maximum performance.
Definitely. I have a machine with a very similar configuration (AMD-K62 350Mhz, 64MB RAM) and VL 3.2 runs great on it. (It even runs very well on my old P150 with 16MB RAM)
It comes with xfce and icewm, which run very fast, and fluxbox can be installed very quickly.
It has abiword, gaim, sylpheed, and a lot of other stuff:D.
I have installed mozilla firebird, it takes a good 10 seconds to load on my 350Mhz system but once loaded it runs fine.
It also comes with Dillo, which is just about the FASTEST web browser I have ever seen. If you're willing to put up with it crashing occasionally (it's still alpha) you will see web pages load very quickly, even on dialup.
<search keywords>
< distro old systems low memory >
Gandalf2041
07-09-2003, 03:30 PM
Listen to mrbl0nde and shadowrider...they've got the right approach. Although building a min release like Gentoo from scratch is a little more difficult, you can really tweak it to your hardware. It also doesn't load alot of junk and/or activate a bunch of services you don't need. Once you've got a base you're happy with, go with one of the *box variants (Blackbox, Openbox, Fluxbox) as shadowrider suggested.
I've followed similar advice to get rid of the RH and KDE/Gnome "training wheels" I started with (no offense to anyone, they're great proggies--just not as fast as I'd like :p ). It's amazing how much more efficient you become when you ditch the baggage.
I've followed similar advice to get rid of the RH and KDE/Gnome "training wheels" I started with (no offense to anyone, they're great proggies--just not as fast as I'd like :p ). It's amazing how much more efficient you become when you ditch the baggage.
z0mbix
07-09-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by bandwidth_pig
Debian would be your best bet.
Yes, Debian is the distro for you. Don't use anything else.
Debian would be your best bet.
Yes, Debian is the distro for you. Don't use anything else.
horsepower300
07-10-2003, 09:50 AM
FreeBSD 4.8
dysharmonic
07-10-2003, 12:05 PM
Got FreeBSD 5.0 here. Still having problems w/ X and mouse.
Lafak
07-11-2003, 09:22 AM
I realize this is a fairly common question, but most of the other topics cover extremely old computers, where as the computer I want to use isn't quite that old. I want a nice GUI because this will be my first go at Linux.
Here are the Specs:
350 Mhz Pentium II
64 MB Ram
8.4 GB HDD
I can provide more info if needed. I thank you in advance for any help.
Here are the Specs:
350 Mhz Pentium II
64 MB Ram
8.4 GB HDD
I can provide more info if needed. I thank you in advance for any help.
oubipaws
07-11-2003, 09:29 AM
I'd run either Mandrake, Suse, or Red Hat with a minimalist GUI such as openbox, iceWM, or waimea
KDE or GNOME are not going to run very on that system... but that doesn't mean linux wont run on it.
KDE or GNOME are not going to run very on that system... but that doesn't mean linux wont run on it.
Hayl
07-11-2003, 09:32 AM
there's already a thread discussing that very question.
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101580&highlight=older+computer
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101580&highlight=older+computer
je_fro
07-11-2003, 09:36 AM
It's leaner, and won't put a lot of unneeded stuff on your system like RedHat or Mandrake. Then put xf86 and *box (blackbox, fluxbox, etc...) on it. It'll be fast enough.
Get the floppies here for a net install:
http://debian.linux.org.tw/pub/boot-floppies/cvs.0415/floppies-bf2.4/
(no offense, oubi...)
Get the floppies here for a net install:
http://debian.linux.org.tw/pub/boot-floppies/cvs.0415/floppies-bf2.4/
(no offense, oubi...)
Lafak
07-11-2003, 09:37 AM
I know, but in that thread most of the suggestions are dealing with the size of his hard drive. My main problem is that Redhat Mandrake and SuSe require more RAM or processor power
oubipaws
07-11-2003, 09:40 AM
je_fro... I agree with you... debian would allow you to custom build the whole system.
Gentoo would allow you to do the same thing...
** Gentoo Requires internet for install **
Gentoo would allow you to do the same thing...
** Gentoo Requires internet for install **
Lafak
07-11-2003, 11:00 AM
thanks je_fro, i think i'll try that.
je_fro
07-11-2003, 11:04 AM
Not everyone with 3 posts decides to install Debian.
Before you get started, write down your Horiz and Vert refresh rates for your monitor.
Also, when it comes time for xfree86, your mouse is probably /dev/psaux (The rates above are also for configuring xfree86)
Don't hesitate to post back if you run into trouble.
(After searching this forum first, of course...)
Before you get started, write down your Horiz and Vert refresh rates for your monitor.
Also, when it comes time for xfree86, your mouse is probably /dev/psaux (The rates above are also for configuring xfree86)
Don't hesitate to post back if you run into trouble.
(After searching this forum first, of course...)
Lafak
07-11-2003, 11:32 AM
Well, are there any other better alternatives, I might want to consider?
je_fro
07-11-2003, 11:39 AM
apart from bloatware, I'd say that's the best one.
I'd better shut up now, or one of the mods will merge this thread with the "Wich Linux" thread. :D
It doesn't hurt anything to try several distros in a day.
Burn up that cable and download a few iso's if you want....
http://www.linuxiso.org/
I'd better shut up now, or one of the mods will merge this thread with the "Wich Linux" thread. :D
It doesn't hurt anything to try several distros in a day.
Burn up that cable and download a few iso's if you want....
http://www.linuxiso.org/
Syntaxis
07-11-2003, 12:12 PM
The official Debian installer's really not half as bad as people make out. The biggest sticking point which people tend to harp upon all the time is the lack of hardware detection. Whilst this can be annoying, provided that one knows their hardware, and does *not* enter tasksel or the dreaded dselect when offered the choice of doing so, it's plain sailing to a nice lean install.
That said, should one find said installer too daunting for their taste, there are a couple of alternatives readily available.
PGI, the installer from the now-defunct Progeny Debian distribution, is available from http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi. It's a GUI installation front-end with automatic hardware detection, pretty slick. There's a PGI-enabled woody ISO available for download from that site.
Alternatively, one can download Libranet (http://www.libranet.com) whose installer also features good hardware detection and a more intuitive (though still ncurses-based) layout. Once installed, it's short work to point one's apt sources at an official Debian server and dist-upgrade to Woody.
So basically, take your pick of Libranet or PGI. :)
That said, should one find said installer too daunting for their taste, there are a couple of alternatives readily available.
PGI, the installer from the now-defunct Progeny Debian distribution, is available from http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi. It's a GUI installation front-end with automatic hardware detection, pretty slick. There's a PGI-enabled woody ISO available for download from that site.
Alternatively, one can download Libranet (http://www.libranet.com) whose installer also features good hardware detection and a more intuitive (though still ncurses-based) layout. Once installed, it's short work to point one's apt sources at an official Debian server and dist-upgrade to Woody.
So basically, take your pick of Libranet or PGI. :)
Darkbolt
07-11-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
I'd run either Mandrake, Suse, or Red Hat with a minimalist GUI such as openbox, iceWM, or waimea
KDE or GNOME are not going to run very on that system... but that doesn't mean linux wont run on it.
This is some BAD advice. Mandrake, and redhat (cant speak for suse) suck up ram like mad. they often have too many processes running that you dont need, and hence they aren't very fit for older computers.
If you want the best performance, try Slackware, Debian, or even gentoo if you dont mind a very long installation process, but they're more compatible with lower end computers by far.
I'd run either Mandrake, Suse, or Red Hat with a minimalist GUI such as openbox, iceWM, or waimea
KDE or GNOME are not going to run very on that system... but that doesn't mean linux wont run on it.
This is some BAD advice. Mandrake, and redhat (cant speak for suse) suck up ram like mad. they often have too many processes running that you dont need, and hence they aren't very fit for older computers.
If you want the best performance, try Slackware, Debian, or even gentoo if you dont mind a very long installation process, but they're more compatible with lower end computers by far.
o0zi
07-11-2003, 04:22 PM
Try Vector Linux, it's Slackware-based with better hardware support:
http://www.vectorlinux.com
http://www.vectorlinux.com
serz
07-11-2003, 04:41 PM
For older comps I'd only recommend Slack/Vector or Debian.
Lafak
07-11-2003, 05:00 PM
i think i'm gonna go with debian because my dad got me the discs today.
nko
07-13-2003, 06:59 PM
All this talk about 20 MB HD's reminds me of my 8MB /boot partition. Couldn't.... couldn't it be smaller?
hlrguy
07-13-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by BaVinic
BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that :D
Now what REALLY would have gotten a lot of people is if you left that line out and created a new dummy user and the above was the first post. Your post count is too high. Especially adding a comment like...Cmon, Windows 3.0 installs on them, isn't Linux as least as good or some other disparage. Good one though. :)
hlrguy
BTW: this is a joke. but I think you knew that :D
Now what REALLY would have gotten a lot of people is if you left that line out and created a new dummy user and the above was the first post. Your post count is too high. Especially adding a comment like...Cmon, Windows 3.0 installs on them, isn't Linux as least as good or some other disparage. Good one though. :)
hlrguy
Ptero-4
07-13-2003, 07:36 PM
Hey, what are your computer specifications. I have a PowerPC machine (a Macintosh) and for it the two distributions to choose are Mac OS X (10.1 or later) or Yellow Dog Linux (v3.0), if you got a windows-based computer you should try Red Hat (7.x or later).
BaVinic
07-13-2003, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by hlrguy
Now what REALLY would have gotten a lot of people is if you left that line out and created a new dummy user and the above was the first post. Your post count is too high. Especially adding a comment like...Cmon, Windows 3.0 installs on them, isn't Linux as least as good or some other disparage. Good one though. :)
hlrguy
I had thought about doing that, but figured it would be against acceptable user policy, and did not want to take the chance.
I was in one of THOSE moods that day, thought it was funny, ended up getting into a p*****g match though. anyway, it was funny :D
BaVinic
Now what REALLY would have gotten a lot of people is if you left that line out and created a new dummy user and the above was the first post. Your post count is too high. Especially adding a comment like...Cmon, Windows 3.0 installs on them, isn't Linux as least as good or some other disparage. Good one though. :)
hlrguy
I had thought about doing that, but figured it would be against acceptable user policy, and did not want to take the chance.
I was in one of THOSE moods that day, thought it was funny, ended up getting into a p*****g match though. anyway, it was funny :D
BaVinic
CaptainPinko
07-13-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by BaVinic
[B]I was in one of THOSE moods that day, thought it was funny, ended up getting into a p*****g match though.
hhmmm, i didn't know "pissing" was censored.
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Edit: apparently it's not :D
[B]I was in one of THOSE moods that day, thought it was funny, ended up getting into a p*****g match though.
hhmmm, i didn't know "pissing" was censored.
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Edit: apparently it's not :D
BaVinic
07-14-2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by CaptainPinko
hhmmm, i didn't know "pissing" was censored.
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Edit: apparently it's not :D
It probably isn't, but I think whoever reads this, would have gotten the point without me having to spell it out for them,. :D
BaVinic
hhmmm, i didn't know "pissing" was censored.
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Edit: apparently it's not :D
It probably isn't, but I think whoever reads this, would have gotten the point without me having to spell it out for them,. :D
BaVinic
CrashTestDummy9
07-14-2003, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
Hi
Just got Mandrake 9.1, a 3 CD set, but on the printed cover, it says RC 2.
I wonder what that means? RC 2 means Release Candidate version 2.Other than that couldnt tell you.Was it a retail set of CDs?
Hi
Just got Mandrake 9.1, a 3 CD set, but on the printed cover, it says RC 2.
I wonder what that means? RC 2 means Release Candidate version 2.Other than that couldnt tell you.Was it a retail set of CDs?
mage492
07-14-2003, 01:24 AM
I'd like to run Linux on my 8088, myself but don't see that happening anytime soon. ;)
You can. I don't remember which distro it was, but I think it was on the linux.org distro list.
Our C64 had two monitors (not simultaneously, but at different times). One's currently my tv set, and the other is my sister's. It's somewhat funny seeing it with a Gamecube next to it... "Past meets present?"
Miss that old Commodore, though... Anyone remember the old Cybernoid II? I was four or five, and I'd play that game for HOURS! I've got it for the emulator, but the instruments for the music are all wrong... *sniffle*
You can. I don't remember which distro it was, but I think it was on the linux.org distro list.
Our C64 had two monitors (not simultaneously, but at different times). One's currently my tv set, and the other is my sister's. It's somewhat funny seeing it with a Gamecube next to it... "Past meets present?"
Miss that old Commodore, though... Anyone remember the old Cybernoid II? I was four or five, and I'd play that game for HOURS! I've got it for the emulator, but the instruments for the music are all wrong... *sniffle*
dysharmonic
07-14-2003, 12:10 PM
Nope, I got those 3-cd set from a store here, the downloadable version I guess. I've removed it since KDE seemed a bit buggy.
lnxsimon
07-14-2003, 08:04 PM
hi guys,
this is the first time that Iwrite in this forum
s I need to make a webserver to test my.php page by LAN....i think thatthe better distro for me is Red Hat 7/8 coz is very simple but I need some other opinions...
Tnx for all posts...
Roll@Roll@
this is the first time that Iwrite in this forum
s I need to make a webserver to test my.php page by LAN....i think thatthe better distro for me is Red Hat 7/8 coz is very simple but I need some other opinions...
Tnx for all posts...
Roll@Roll@
dkeav
07-14-2003, 08:08 PM
sounds good, for you should probably stick with one of the big three redhat, mandrake or suse
dimitrylevin
07-14-2003, 08:11 PM
Redhat 9.
serz
07-14-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by dkeav
sounds good, for you should probably stick with one of the big three redhat, mandrake or suse
/me agress.
Those distros come with Apahe w/PHP working :)
sounds good, for you should probably stick with one of the big three redhat, mandrake or suse
/me agress.
Those distros come with Apahe w/PHP working :)
slapNUT
07-14-2003, 10:50 PM
Right now linux-2.4.21 is the best stable.
2.6.0-test1 is the best beta.
Any questions?
2.6.0-test1 is the best beta.
Any questions?
The Whizzard
07-15-2003, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by mage492
You can. I don't remember which distro it was, but I think it was on the linux.org distro list. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Not exactly Linux but ELKS (http://elks.sourceforge.net/) seems to be further along than minix.
You can. I don't remember which distro it was, but I think it was on the linux.org distro list. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Not exactly Linux but ELKS (http://elks.sourceforge.net/) seems to be further along than minix.
o0zi
07-15-2003, 01:33 PM
Ok, now people let's not turn this into a 600 reply post / flame war... The big three if you want ease of use, Gentoo if you want speed, Knoppix/Morphix for a LiveCD distro and Debian/Slackware if you want speed without source compiling.
mdwatts
07-15-2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by o0zi
Ok, now people let's not turn this into a 600 reply post / flame war...
IT was fading off into the distance until you went and brought it back to the top. ;)
Ok, now people let's not turn this into a 600 reply post / flame war...
IT was fading off into the distance until you went and brought it back to the top. ;)
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