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Gaxus
08-11-2003, 01:47 PM
I think we will see a new distribution that will more or less become the 'standard', replacing and surpassing all the rest in terms of everything.
I think LINUX will be a lot more mature, and will be much more highly valued and respected in the wider community.
I can only see things getting better for Linux.
... these are my unfounded guesses, based on 0% facts and figures and on 100% rambling thought processes. :D
I think LINUX will be a lot more mature, and will be much more highly valued and respected in the wider community.
I can only see things getting better for Linux.
... these are my unfounded guesses, based on 0% facts and figures and on 100% rambling thought processes. :D
hlrguy
08-11-2003, 01:51 PM
- On my desktop.
- ~50% of all web servers.
- ~35% of all corporate servers
- ~15% of desktops in US (80% of this total is corporate)
- ~35% of desktops in the rest of the world (50% of this total is corporate)
- virtually all new games will be for both Linux and Windows
- about 50 % native port for pre-existing games to Linux
- I see Microsoft being forced to port their apps to Linux, to stem the flow of user's using OpenOffice, etc. Money is money. As of right now, they are trying to leverage products that can only run on Windows, and they are slowly losing.
My complete guesses could easily be wrong.
If MS comes out with Palladium, secure computing, etc, I would expect the US level to be ~30%. i.e. Corporations WILL NOT enjoy putting MS in charge of their data and WILL NOT enjoy having to ask MS for permission to read their own data. It could be even more if either 1) everyone in the free world is forced to upgrade their computer or 2) it fails to function properly and it severely impacts user's ability to perform work on their computer. MS better be darn sure it is reliable, because this is the security/bug bonanza that could be the final straw for a LOT of people.
hlrguy
- ~50% of all web servers.
- ~35% of all corporate servers
- ~15% of desktops in US (80% of this total is corporate)
- ~35% of desktops in the rest of the world (50% of this total is corporate)
- virtually all new games will be for both Linux and Windows
- about 50 % native port for pre-existing games to Linux
- I see Microsoft being forced to port their apps to Linux, to stem the flow of user's using OpenOffice, etc. Money is money. As of right now, they are trying to leverage products that can only run on Windows, and they are slowly losing.
My complete guesses could easily be wrong.
If MS comes out with Palladium, secure computing, etc, I would expect the US level to be ~30%. i.e. Corporations WILL NOT enjoy putting MS in charge of their data and WILL NOT enjoy having to ask MS for permission to read their own data. It could be even more if either 1) everyone in the free world is forced to upgrade their computer or 2) it fails to function properly and it severely impacts user's ability to perform work on their computer. MS better be darn sure it is reliable, because this is the security/bug bonanza that could be the final straw for a LOT of people.
hlrguy
Gaxus
08-11-2003, 02:00 PM
I think Apple will still be there on the sidelines, making quality software/hardware :D
Chadduss
08-11-2003, 02:27 PM
Eventually one distro I believe will become the ultimate home user distro ie as easy to use as windows needing little input. But the great thing is if Linux does go entirely mainstream as a desktop there will still be the do it yourself distros and I can still have my gentoo! :D
o0zi
08-12-2003, 02:26 AM
If Palladium comes to fruition, I think a lot of users would switch to Linux. Then there's the problem - how does Linux run on Palladium-enabled systems? It could end up being the feature (or annoying bug!) that topples Microsoft.
I also don't think Internet Explorer will be used as much as it is now. I can't stand browsing without tabs, and I use Opera 100% of the time, so once people realize that other browsers are better they'll use them.
I also don't think Internet Explorer will be used as much as it is now. I can't stand browsing without tabs, and I use Opera 100% of the time, so once people realize that other browsers are better they'll use them.
psi42
08-12-2003, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by o0zi
once people realize that other browsers are better they'll use them.
But when is that going to happen??
People are just going to keep using whatever is preinstalled on their system. "Normal" users have a hard time switching browsers because the buttons are in slightly different places and they have to adapt as they have learned only what button to press, not what button to look for. :)
The bottom line is, people will just use what is already on their computers. They don't want to download Mozilla. They don't want to install Mozilla. They just want to surf the internet. If they get pop-ups they just live with them instead of getting a browser with pop-up blocking. If Mozilla was installed instead of IE, then they would use Mozilla. :D
Once linux comes pre-installed on systems being sold at major retail chains, then "normal" people will start using it.
At the moment, I have only seen one, and that is the Sharp Zaurus PDA at Fry's. :)
~psi42
once people realize that other browsers are better they'll use them.
But when is that going to happen??
People are just going to keep using whatever is preinstalled on their system. "Normal" users have a hard time switching browsers because the buttons are in slightly different places and they have to adapt as they have learned only what button to press, not what button to look for. :)
The bottom line is, people will just use what is already on their computers. They don't want to download Mozilla. They don't want to install Mozilla. They just want to surf the internet. If they get pop-ups they just live with them instead of getting a browser with pop-up blocking. If Mozilla was installed instead of IE, then they would use Mozilla. :D
Once linux comes pre-installed on systems being sold at major retail chains, then "normal" people will start using it.
At the moment, I have only seen one, and that is the Sharp Zaurus PDA at Fry's. :)
~psi42
andysimmons
08-12-2003, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by o0zi
I also don't think Internet Explorer will be used as much as it is now.Don't get me wrong, I like Linux browsers, but IE with the SlimBrowser (http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/sbrowser.htm) (freeware) plugin is far superior to any Linux broswer I've used.
I also don't think Internet Explorer will be used as much as it is now.Don't get me wrong, I like Linux browsers, but IE with the SlimBrowser (http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/sbrowser.htm) (freeware) plugin is far superior to any Linux broswer I've used.
genuine143
08-12-2003, 03:43 AM
I think that linux will be :
1- More mature.
2- A huge threat to M$ windoze,
3- Big windows apps companies will port their software, ie Macromedia, Real networks, Autodesk etc.
4- the only os on my pc although it is headin that way already !!
Cheerz
1- More mature.
2- A huge threat to M$ windoze,
3- Big windows apps companies will port their software, ie Macromedia, Real networks, Autodesk etc.
4- the only os on my pc although it is headin that way already !!
Cheerz
Citadel
08-12-2003, 04:35 AM
In North America Linux will be owned by the SCO and users will face high prices driving them toward a Microsoft dictatorship or else just away from computers entirely.
In the rest of the world, "the real world", Linux will be the best damn platform ever and it will rock.
In the rest of the world, "the real world", Linux will be the best damn platform ever and it will rock.
mrBen
08-12-2003, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by andysimmons
Don't get me wrong, I like Linux browsers, but IE with the SlimBrowser (http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/sbrowser.htm) (freeware) plugin is far superior to any Linux broswer I've used.
MS have already said that IE6 will be the last IE. After this the browser will be entirely built into the OS. Therefore other browsers now have the chance to advance beyond the capabilities of IE over the next few years.
Don't get me wrong, I like Linux browsers, but IE with the SlimBrowser (http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/sbrowser.htm) (freeware) plugin is far superior to any Linux broswer I've used.
MS have already said that IE6 will be the last IE. After this the browser will be entirely built into the OS. Therefore other browsers now have the chance to advance beyond the capabilities of IE over the next few years.
superted
08-12-2003, 04:47 AM
I dont see Linux in any specific place in 5 years. But i definately see it :)
ozdream
08-12-2003, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Gaxus
I think Apple will still be there on the sidelines, making quality software/hardware :D
Apple Apple??? Gee I thought they where only in schools and then only the old 2c version :-)
I think Apple will still be there on the sidelines, making quality software/hardware :D
Apple Apple??? Gee I thought they where only in schools and then only the old 2c version :-)
o0zi
08-12-2003, 06:43 AM
Apple? Who?:)
Anyway, you're right about the "normal users" thing. Give them a browser identical to IE but with a blue colour scheme, and some people wouldn't know what to do :( I hope Linux will be widely used in retail chains - once people realize it saves them $100 on a PC, they'll start buying it.
Anyway, you're right about the "normal users" thing. Give them a browser identical to IE but with a blue colour scheme, and some people wouldn't know what to do :( I hope Linux will be widely used in retail chains - once people realize it saves them $100 on a PC, they'll start buying it.
andycrofts
08-12-2003, 07:11 AM
If Palladium/ Trustme computing is in use (that's Trustme, as in trust me, I'm a doctor. True as I'm riding this bike)
...I'll be either running non-intel (wakeup call for SUN! Hello? Nice cheap desktop stuff...hello? ), or we'll have cracked it, and I for one will gladly post the crack details on my site....
Or, we'll be happily running 'legacy' hardware (i.e., today's 3gig p4's), not giving a fig about MS's new EULA's
...and we'll be reminiscing about that silly SOC company's (or whatever they were called) corporate suicide thingy way-back-when.
Oh, yes. Browsers. Opera/Phoenix. No IE. No more.
(ps, when my friends see Mozilla with tabs, they're stunned. Esp. when I click on a link, and it opens in a new tab, without disturbing my reading)
...I'll be either running non-intel (wakeup call for SUN! Hello? Nice cheap desktop stuff...hello? ), or we'll have cracked it, and I for one will gladly post the crack details on my site....
Or, we'll be happily running 'legacy' hardware (i.e., today's 3gig p4's), not giving a fig about MS's new EULA's
...and we'll be reminiscing about that silly SOC company's (or whatever they were called) corporate suicide thingy way-back-when.
Oh, yes. Browsers. Opera/Phoenix. No IE. No more.
(ps, when my friends see Mozilla with tabs, they're stunned. Esp. when I click on a link, and it opens in a new tab, without disturbing my reading)
Syngin
08-12-2003, 10:10 AM
I see it going more mainstream, its code being heavily exploited in closed code in the private sector but maintaining its advantage through quick adaptation to the world needs for software.
carrja99
08-12-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Citadel
In North America Linux will be owned by the SCO and users will face high prices driving them toward a Microsoft dictatorship or else just away from computers entirely.
In the rest of the world, "the real world", Linux will be the best damn platform ever and it will rock.
Hmph... typical anti-american BS.
And I suppose IBM isn't based in the US and is the major corporate backer of linux? Oh yeah.. damn those Americans to hell. :mad:
In North America Linux will be owned by the SCO and users will face high prices driving them toward a Microsoft dictatorship or else just away from computers entirely.
In the rest of the world, "the real world", Linux will be the best damn platform ever and it will rock.
Hmph... typical anti-american BS.
And I suppose IBM isn't based in the US and is the major corporate backer of linux? Oh yeah.. damn those Americans to hell. :mad:
S.D.Willie
08-12-2003, 01:35 PM
- virtually all new games will be for both Linux and Windows
now wouldnt that be nice huh?
now wouldnt that be nice huh?
S.D.Willie
08-12-2003, 01:37 PM
In the rest of the world, "the real world"
cmon, hes from canada. he doesnt know any better anyhow. btw, where is that place anyhow?
cmon, hes from canada. he doesnt know any better anyhow. btw, where is that place anyhow?
ibzrg470
08-12-2003, 02:58 PM
newbie here sticking my $0.02 in.
As far as SCO is concerned, they poked a stick at IBM and linux and they are already starting to pay for it. SCO will eventually disappear after IBM, Red Hat, SuSe, and numerous developers are finished suing the hell out of them. As long there are anti-microsoft developers out there, linux development will contiune under GPL, especially with IBM backing it.
With every new release, Microsoft is making a futile attempt to add linux like-features to windows. Active directory, and the ability to switch users in XP, just to name two.
Linux is not mature enough to grab the attention of the average consumer. People like to think they are configuring software and making important decisions about their computer, and windows does a good job at giving them that feeling. Linux on the other hand requires a little bit of know-how, and the patience to read, A LOT. Being a linux newbie myself, I have to admit that things can get a little overwhelming sometimes, I think i have spent more time configuring than I have actually spent installing software.
If linux development was a little more organized then I think it would progress much faster. One possibility is more and more companies popping up to develop and distribute their own version of linux, kind of like red-hat. and suse.
EDIT: Blame Canada!
As far as SCO is concerned, they poked a stick at IBM and linux and they are already starting to pay for it. SCO will eventually disappear after IBM, Red Hat, SuSe, and numerous developers are finished suing the hell out of them. As long there are anti-microsoft developers out there, linux development will contiune under GPL, especially with IBM backing it.
With every new release, Microsoft is making a futile attempt to add linux like-features to windows. Active directory, and the ability to switch users in XP, just to name two.
Linux is not mature enough to grab the attention of the average consumer. People like to think they are configuring software and making important decisions about their computer, and windows does a good job at giving them that feeling. Linux on the other hand requires a little bit of know-how, and the patience to read, A LOT. Being a linux newbie myself, I have to admit that things can get a little overwhelming sometimes, I think i have spent more time configuring than I have actually spent installing software.
If linux development was a little more organized then I think it would progress much faster. One possibility is more and more companies popping up to develop and distribute their own version of linux, kind of like red-hat. and suse.
EDIT: Blame Canada!
glussier
08-12-2003, 03:15 PM
With every new release, Microsoft is making a futile attempt to add linux like-features to windows. Active directory, and the ability to switch users in XP, just to name two.
Where have you seen active directory in Linux?
Where have you seen active directory in Linux?
hard candy
08-12-2003, 06:56 PM
In five years, I see Linux as part commercial releases (Download Gator Linux Today! Only $19.95!) and part Debian/Slackware traditional distros (free in as beer and speech). Also, the Gentoo model will be streamlined and will have a "Microsoft Auto-Update" type feature. And I can see more mainstream games coming out with linux ports from the start (Doom 3.5-play it on your linux box!)
Edit: If it wasn't for the Canadians that Artic wind would blow unimpeded down to the USA. :)
Edit: If it wasn't for the Canadians that Artic wind would blow unimpeded down to the USA. :)
sploo22
08-12-2003, 07:15 PM
News flash: A couple months ago, Wal-Mart introduced a line of low-end desktop PCs running Lycoris, Lindows, and SuSE, rangind in price from $200 to $600. Here's the link: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=106562
There are three major obstacles before many commercial applications start being released for Linux. First of all, a universal package management system needs to be developed; currently, if you don't use Red Hat you're out of luck 90% of the time.
Also, new versions of the standard C library often break precompiled binary programs, and nobody wants to keep on buying new copies of software each time they upgrade their computer. Maybe a "wrapper" library is needed for compatibility.
Finally: copy protection. It's virtually impossible under current Linux systems, unless you constantly run as root. And with strace, objdump and gdb included with the OS, it would be ridiculously easy to get around anyway by a determined hacker.
There are three major obstacles before many commercial applications start being released for Linux. First of all, a universal package management system needs to be developed; currently, if you don't use Red Hat you're out of luck 90% of the time.
Also, new versions of the standard C library often break precompiled binary programs, and nobody wants to keep on buying new copies of software each time they upgrade their computer. Maybe a "wrapper" library is needed for compatibility.
Finally: copy protection. It's virtually impossible under current Linux systems, unless you constantly run as root. And with strace, objdump and gdb included with the OS, it would be ridiculously easy to get around anyway by a determined hacker.
Atealtha
08-12-2003, 10:27 PM
5 years?
A 3.x.x kernel completely redone from scratch. Of course, it's improved and offers something for the technically hardcore to the average joe. Easier fonts, increased compatibility with hardware and laptops, and a bunch of software compatibility issues resolved. Games and apps are ported.
Man what a dream
A 3.x.x kernel completely redone from scratch. Of course, it's improved and offers something for the technically hardcore to the average joe. Easier fonts, increased compatibility with hardware and laptops, and a bunch of software compatibility issues resolved. Games and apps are ported.
Man what a dream
janet loves bill
08-13-2003, 05:13 AM
So far no one has hit on the real point here, Will there be enough Money in budgets of various institutions,(IE, Gov't offices, Corporations, Small business, Home users) to replace all the hardware(IE, sound cards, Video cards, network cards, hard drives) required to install and run Paladium/Longhorn. AND so far Intel and AMD are the 2 major chip makers. They will lose big time if Paladium falls flat on it's face, and they are stuck with CPU's that nobody can't or won't use. We the end users have the final say on this, especially in the US, and ALL of us need the make a concerted effort to get the word out that Paladium/Longhorn IS NOT the way of the future. Most of you already have seen what may lie's ahead.......win XP. you have to call Uncle Bill and get permission to upgrade hardware on YOUR own box.........sorry but this is not the way to go either!!!
Citadel
08-13-2003, 07:22 AM
I hope that linux remains a platform rather than a product like Microsoft otherwise it would not be worth while to do any programming, but computers would only make sense from the stand point of the end user who is able to get the least expensive deal or otherwise go without.
To the end user, It makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Windows Home editions, so long as it is all under $600.
To the developer, it makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Linux. Java and .Net are not worthwhile because they make you into a salesman. Rather than being able to write your own programs, you are only doing Microsoft or Sun promotion.
Computer science is interesting but it is not practicle and it certainly is not a priority, the industry is all about sales. If you program than you are a salesman. That's where it is all heading, especially as tools take precidence over programming.
Oh, I hate computers, but they are okay if you just pick up a cheap PC and fiddle around with some games and basic Internet and email.
To the end user, It makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Windows Home editions, so long as it is all under $600.
To the developer, it makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Linux. Java and .Net are not worthwhile because they make you into a salesman. Rather than being able to write your own programs, you are only doing Microsoft or Sun promotion.
Computer science is interesting but it is not practicle and it certainly is not a priority, the industry is all about sales. If you program than you are a salesman. That's where it is all heading, especially as tools take precidence over programming.
Oh, I hate computers, but they are okay if you just pick up a cheap PC and fiddle around with some games and basic Internet and email.
keyshawn
08-13-2003, 10:34 AM
I offer two possibilities:
- Becoming more mainstream; and having some distros [i.e. mandrake, lycoris, and others unknown] which have extremely automated services and allow the users to very lazy and will appeal the crowd that believes Internet explorer is the only way to connect to the internet.
[and thinks AOL Is a godsend]
other distros would be more geared [i.e. slackware, debian, and others unknown] towards the hackers\programmers\tinkers and more devoted crowd.
One thing that I wonder about the influx of linux desktops is if major 56k ISP's like AOL and EARTHLINK are going to support Linux and the WINmodems [obvisiously MSN won't]
[The conversion over to broadband though, might assuage the dilemma with 56k winmodems & the major ISP's]
the other possibility in 5 years :
- Linux would have already peaked [in terms of users base]
and the choice of alternatives to Microsoft might be led by another open-source O.S. [i.e. beos, or even others unknown as of now]
I do think that the leading alternative O.S. would be open-source and follow the GNU license closely, and be unix-based or even something else.....
I'm not counting linux out, I just think that the Open-Source software movement & philosophy allows technology to move much more swiftly than what is currently perceived by the linux culture.
-keyshawn-
- Becoming more mainstream; and having some distros [i.e. mandrake, lycoris, and others unknown] which have extremely automated services and allow the users to very lazy and will appeal the crowd that believes Internet explorer is the only way to connect to the internet.
[and thinks AOL Is a godsend]
other distros would be more geared [i.e. slackware, debian, and others unknown] towards the hackers\programmers\tinkers and more devoted crowd.
One thing that I wonder about the influx of linux desktops is if major 56k ISP's like AOL and EARTHLINK are going to support Linux and the WINmodems [obvisiously MSN won't]
[The conversion over to broadband though, might assuage the dilemma with 56k winmodems & the major ISP's]
the other possibility in 5 years :
- Linux would have already peaked [in terms of users base]
and the choice of alternatives to Microsoft might be led by another open-source O.S. [i.e. beos, or even others unknown as of now]
I do think that the leading alternative O.S. would be open-source and follow the GNU license closely, and be unix-based or even something else.....
I'm not counting linux out, I just think that the Open-Source software movement & philosophy allows technology to move much more swiftly than what is currently perceived by the linux culture.
-keyshawn-
ibzrg470
08-13-2003, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by glussier
Where have you seen active directory in Linux?
I never said linux used "active directory", I said that microsoft did. I'm not sure how much you know about AD, maybe more or less than I do, It doesnt matter. The point is the features provided by the use of AD as compared to the features that I have seen on my linux box using jfs are similar in a few respescts. One example is the ability in windows 2000 / XP to "mount" previously unassigned drive space to a folder.
As far as the new Paladium/Longhorn systems; most end-users just wont be affected since they dont bother upgrading beyond the additional features, hardware, and memory they choose at the time of purchase. Those that do wish to upgrade later usually just buy a new PC because they really just DONT know the difference. Being realistic about it, the new Paladium/Longhorn platform will take several years to become popular if it even does.
PCs being sold today have the potential of lasting several years for the average end-user. Most users are not going to fork out $1500+ for a new PC when the DELL they bought a year or two ago for $650-$700 brand new is still running fine, and all their applications and games run fine on it.
As old hardware is phased out and new is phased in, people will be forced to buy the new systems as there just wont be any other choice. We have seen this over and over again, its just how the PC market works.
Microsoft will take the biggest hit from companies that dont want to spend the money to upgrade. But once the licenses run out, microsoft just wont renew them, same as they did with the transition from NT to 2000.
Peoples need to have latest and greatest combined with the fact that there really is no viable alternative will leave them no choice but to conform to what Satan (microsoft) wants.
Linux will adapt, I think I have seen a version of linux on everything from a palm to an Alpha server. In 5 years, who knows, linux will possibly grab between 10 and 20% of the commercial PC market, and as it becomes more and more mature it will grab a larger market share. Its not going to happen over-night, and microsoft wont go-away over night either.
Oh yeah, if I want to upgrade my hardware and software, I will. Uncle Gates can kiss my ***, I have already started the transition from windows to linux for everyday use. It really wont hurt my feelings if Satan sends me a letter telling me to stop using my burned copy of XP. Or just simply sends a kill signal through the back-door that windows isnt "supposed" to have, shhh!
Where have you seen active directory in Linux?
I never said linux used "active directory", I said that microsoft did. I'm not sure how much you know about AD, maybe more or less than I do, It doesnt matter. The point is the features provided by the use of AD as compared to the features that I have seen on my linux box using jfs are similar in a few respescts. One example is the ability in windows 2000 / XP to "mount" previously unassigned drive space to a folder.
As far as the new Paladium/Longhorn systems; most end-users just wont be affected since they dont bother upgrading beyond the additional features, hardware, and memory they choose at the time of purchase. Those that do wish to upgrade later usually just buy a new PC because they really just DONT know the difference. Being realistic about it, the new Paladium/Longhorn platform will take several years to become popular if it even does.
PCs being sold today have the potential of lasting several years for the average end-user. Most users are not going to fork out $1500+ for a new PC when the DELL they bought a year or two ago for $650-$700 brand new is still running fine, and all their applications and games run fine on it.
As old hardware is phased out and new is phased in, people will be forced to buy the new systems as there just wont be any other choice. We have seen this over and over again, its just how the PC market works.
Microsoft will take the biggest hit from companies that dont want to spend the money to upgrade. But once the licenses run out, microsoft just wont renew them, same as they did with the transition from NT to 2000.
Peoples need to have latest and greatest combined with the fact that there really is no viable alternative will leave them no choice but to conform to what Satan (microsoft) wants.
Linux will adapt, I think I have seen a version of linux on everything from a palm to an Alpha server. In 5 years, who knows, linux will possibly grab between 10 and 20% of the commercial PC market, and as it becomes more and more mature it will grab a larger market share. Its not going to happen over-night, and microsoft wont go-away over night either.
Oh yeah, if I want to upgrade my hardware and software, I will. Uncle Gates can kiss my ***, I have already started the transition from windows to linux for everyday use. It really wont hurt my feelings if Satan sends me a letter telling me to stop using my burned copy of XP. Or just simply sends a kill signal through the back-door that windows isnt "supposed" to have, shhh!
carrja99
08-13-2003, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Citadel
I hope that linux remains a platform rather than a product like Microsoft otherwise it would not be worth while to do any programming, but computers would only make sense from the stand point of the end user who is able to get the least expensive deal or otherwise go without.
To the end user, It makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Windows Home editions, so long as it is all under $600.
To the developer, it makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Linux. Java and .Net are not worthwhile because they make you into a salesman. Rather than being able to write your own programs, you are only doing Microsoft or Sun promotion.
Computer science is interesting but it is not practicle and it certainly is not a priority, the industry is all about sales. If you program than you are a salesman. That's where it is all heading, especially as tools take precidence over programming.
Oh, I hate computers, but they are okay if you just pick up a cheap PC and fiddle around with some games and basic Internet and email.
*SNIFF* *SNIFF*
What's that I smell? A troll? :D
Anyway, I kind of feel that no one has really touched off on any major points here. Where do I see linux in 5 years? Remember, alot could happen in 5 years, and I think it's a pretty safe assumption to conclude that linux will probably break off into seperate distinct "flavors" like Unix originally did.
Of course, I could be day dreaming. I recently finished a UNIX programming book written over 13 years ago, and everything in it still applies today. Unix type systems are over 30 years old and although packages like KDE, gnome, gcc, etc change very rapidly, the core seems to stay the same.
I honestly think that we will probably see a huge change in the linux kernel over the next few years that will largely begin to move away from it's Unix heritage by developing beyond it's original implementations. I think that given enough time, linux will be an operating system on it's own in it's entirety.
Heck, anyone here besides me run FreeBSD? As a flavor of Unix, you can already tell some major differences between FreeBSD and linux, and I think these differences will continue to develop.
Just my 2 cents on the idea.
I hope that linux remains a platform rather than a product like Microsoft otherwise it would not be worth while to do any programming, but computers would only make sense from the stand point of the end user who is able to get the least expensive deal or otherwise go without.
To the end user, It makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Windows Home editions, so long as it is all under $600.
To the developer, it makes the most sense to use older hardware and to run Linux. Java and .Net are not worthwhile because they make you into a salesman. Rather than being able to write your own programs, you are only doing Microsoft or Sun promotion.
Computer science is interesting but it is not practicle and it certainly is not a priority, the industry is all about sales. If you program than you are a salesman. That's where it is all heading, especially as tools take precidence over programming.
Oh, I hate computers, but they are okay if you just pick up a cheap PC and fiddle around with some games and basic Internet and email.
*SNIFF* *SNIFF*
What's that I smell? A troll? :D
Anyway, I kind of feel that no one has really touched off on any major points here. Where do I see linux in 5 years? Remember, alot could happen in 5 years, and I think it's a pretty safe assumption to conclude that linux will probably break off into seperate distinct "flavors" like Unix originally did.
Of course, I could be day dreaming. I recently finished a UNIX programming book written over 13 years ago, and everything in it still applies today. Unix type systems are over 30 years old and although packages like KDE, gnome, gcc, etc change very rapidly, the core seems to stay the same.
I honestly think that we will probably see a huge change in the linux kernel over the next few years that will largely begin to move away from it's Unix heritage by developing beyond it's original implementations. I think that given enough time, linux will be an operating system on it's own in it's entirety.
Heck, anyone here besides me run FreeBSD? As a flavor of Unix, you can already tell some major differences between FreeBSD and linux, and I think these differences will continue to develop.
Just my 2 cents on the idea.
andycrofts
08-13-2003, 02:40 PM
In the rest of the world, "the real world", Linux will be the best damn platform ever and it will rock ...Hmph... typical anti-american BS
..'Scuse me, but Linux was 'invented' in, er, which State???
You'll be telling me you guys invented the jet engine/rocket/LCD display next !!! :D
-Andy (just fun!)
..'Scuse me, but Linux was 'invented' in, er, which State???
You'll be telling me you guys invented the jet engine/rocket/LCD display next !!! :D
-Andy (just fun!)
The Coder
08-13-2003, 11:08 PM
I defenetly think hardware support will become much much better and hardware companies will start catering to the Linux community like they do for Windows.
carrja99
08-14-2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by andycrofts
..'Scuse me, but Linux was 'invented' in, er, which State???
You'll be telling me you guys invented the jet engine/rocket/LCD display next !!! :D
-Andy (just fun!)
I don't know if you're nitpicking on me or Citidal's statements, but I never implied that linux was created in the US.
But, quit b*tching with the anti-american BS. Linux and it's associated programs are the result of thousands of programers the world over, many even residing the US (yes, contray to what you hear from all the propaganda, there are intelligent people in the US)
Secondly, I wouldnt want to side myself with Citidal, since he feels that the real world doesnt include North America, yet he fails to realize that Canada is located in North America as well! :D
..'Scuse me, but Linux was 'invented' in, er, which State???
You'll be telling me you guys invented the jet engine/rocket/LCD display next !!! :D
-Andy (just fun!)
I don't know if you're nitpicking on me or Citidal's statements, but I never implied that linux was created in the US.
But, quit b*tching with the anti-american BS. Linux and it's associated programs are the result of thousands of programers the world over, many even residing the US (yes, contray to what you hear from all the propaganda, there are intelligent people in the US)
Secondly, I wouldnt want to side myself with Citidal, since he feels that the real world doesnt include North America, yet he fails to realize that Canada is located in North America as well! :D
hlrguy
08-14-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by carrja99
Linux and it's associated programs are the result of thousands of programers the world over, many even residing the US
No, it's mine, all mine, you see, I was born when Unix was being invented, which means I own it. Everyone send me $699 now or else I will be forced to do nothing! :D
hlrguy
P.S. Does being Canadian, living in the US with Scottish and Irish heritage means that I shouldn't like hamburgers!?!
Linux and it's associated programs are the result of thousands of programers the world over, many even residing the US
No, it's mine, all mine, you see, I was born when Unix was being invented, which means I own it. Everyone send me $699 now or else I will be forced to do nothing! :D
hlrguy
P.S. Does being Canadian, living in the US with Scottish and Irish heritage means that I shouldn't like hamburgers!?!
ibzrg470
08-14-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by hlrguy
No, it's mine, all mine, you see, I was born when Unix was being invented, which means I own it. Everyone send me $699 now or else I will be forced to do nothing! :D
hlrguy
You could always sue IBM for steeling it from you and giving to people for free, SCO has already proven that you dont need any kind of real evidence to sue someone ;)
No, it's mine, all mine, you see, I was born when Unix was being invented, which means I own it. Everyone send me $699 now or else I will be forced to do nothing! :D
hlrguy
You could always sue IBM for steeling it from you and giving to people for free, SCO has already proven that you dont need any kind of real evidence to sue someone ;)
kam
08-14-2003, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by mrBen
MS have already said that IE6 will be the last IE. After this the browser will be entirely built into the OS. Therefore other browsers now have the chance to advance beyond the capabilities of IE over the next few years. They already have.:)
MS have already said that IE6 will be the last IE. After this the browser will be entirely built into the OS. Therefore other browsers now have the chance to advance beyond the capabilities of IE over the next few years. They already have.:)
Citadel
08-15-2003, 12:04 AM
I see American corporations battling over the control of open source Linux right now. The threat is that Linux will become a product just like Microsoft is right now, this is the oposite of what Linux should be, and that is a platform for free software and open source software.
There will be a huge threat from treaterous hardware like Palladium. No idea what will happen, but products like the Microsoft operating system are all about sales, so they will fight against freedom, knowledge, and co-operative development, because it takes their power away. They want people to be dependant on tools (that they firmly control).
[MORE]
Computer technology is a rip off. It's a sales arena where those with knowledge both dominate and put handcuffs on users. There is true value in computer science and co-operative development leading to quality software, however the industry is full of people taking advantage of others.
There will be a huge threat from treaterous hardware like Palladium. No idea what will happen, but products like the Microsoft operating system are all about sales, so they will fight against freedom, knowledge, and co-operative development, because it takes their power away. They want people to be dependant on tools (that they firmly control).
[MORE]
Computer technology is a rip off. It's a sales arena where those with knowledge both dominate and put handcuffs on users. There is true value in computer science and co-operative development leading to quality software, however the industry is full of people taking advantage of others.
Kaligraphic
08-15-2003, 02:01 AM
Where do I see Linux in five years?
1: On a front shelf at Best Buy, right next to Windows Dead Cat Pro, in a box bearing the legend "Red Hat Linux 17.0"
2: On an IBM Thinkpad marketed to computing professionals.
3: In university classrooms and labs, as UNIX courses become required for CS students across the world.
4: On low-midrange SUN servers
5: Still kicking GNU/HURD where it hurts.
6: On my boot menu ... 47 times, all different.
7: In the movies, as the film of the year is a 'Guns of Navarone' style movie about vi versus emacs. :)
1: On a front shelf at Best Buy, right next to Windows Dead Cat Pro, in a box bearing the legend "Red Hat Linux 17.0"
2: On an IBM Thinkpad marketed to computing professionals.
3: In university classrooms and labs, as UNIX courses become required for CS students across the world.
4: On low-midrange SUN servers
5: Still kicking GNU/HURD where it hurts.
6: On my boot menu ... 47 times, all different.
7: In the movies, as the film of the year is a 'Guns of Navarone' style movie about vi versus emacs. :)
Citadel
08-15-2003, 02:38 AM
Instead of Linux going the way of Microsoft and not being a platform but a product, the way that Linux should evolve is for it to establish software architectures that are not common in a technology field dominated by commercialism, and the ability to take advantage of people.
Even though Linux is an open source paltform, most of the software is lead by commercial software. The open source projects attempt to create a piece of software that is the same as some vendor software, but is under the GPL and is probably just as good quality, sometimes worse, and sometime better than the vendor product.
If you have the source code to a piece of software, that does not mean that the software is accessible by most people, it only means that the software is open. The source code simply can not be leveraged by beginners. So open source Linux should concentrate on developing tools that help beginners to understand the software implementation, to understand the source code. This should be a high priority, it would make a world of difference and this is something that software vendors who produce commercial software simply can not do. This would reflect open source software taking the lead and finding it's own direction for the first time ever. In addition we would achive quality software because the software would be used based on it's value, and we would also seen new systems and compoenents that are developed as generic architecture that we are allowed to be in control of. This new architecture would allow open source developers to enter niches that are only currently reserved for commercial software vendors due to the way knowledge is protected from being shared but instead used to make profit and close the door on opportunites to the general public.
Open source should make available opportunities to beginners to build complex and high quality software that is based on value, and the archiecture of this quality software is different than the software model that we are currently using because the current model is the vendor model. So our new quality software is designed to open opportunites for the general public, to educate the general public, to make knowledge accessible to beginners, and for the user to be empowered over a decentralized organizational model rather than a centralized heirarchical structure which leaves people powerless.
Even though Linux is an open source paltform, most of the software is lead by commercial software. The open source projects attempt to create a piece of software that is the same as some vendor software, but is under the GPL and is probably just as good quality, sometimes worse, and sometime better than the vendor product.
If you have the source code to a piece of software, that does not mean that the software is accessible by most people, it only means that the software is open. The source code simply can not be leveraged by beginners. So open source Linux should concentrate on developing tools that help beginners to understand the software implementation, to understand the source code. This should be a high priority, it would make a world of difference and this is something that software vendors who produce commercial software simply can not do. This would reflect open source software taking the lead and finding it's own direction for the first time ever. In addition we would achive quality software because the software would be used based on it's value, and we would also seen new systems and compoenents that are developed as generic architecture that we are allowed to be in control of. This new architecture would allow open source developers to enter niches that are only currently reserved for commercial software vendors due to the way knowledge is protected from being shared but instead used to make profit and close the door on opportunites to the general public.
Open source should make available opportunities to beginners to build complex and high quality software that is based on value, and the archiecture of this quality software is different than the software model that we are currently using because the current model is the vendor model. So our new quality software is designed to open opportunites for the general public, to educate the general public, to make knowledge accessible to beginners, and for the user to be empowered over a decentralized organizational model rather than a centralized heirarchical structure which leaves people powerless.
blister
08-15-2003, 10:06 PM
Hi,
I don't know where Linux will be in five years because I don't know where it is now. I'm pre-newbie, just dipping a toe in the murky waters of Linux understanding.
But I'm sure that Linux would be more easily comprehensible to the average guy if the terminology was changed. I don't know who thought up terms like Gimp, Bash, Konquerer, Mozilla and all the rest of the odd names that run through Linux like a stream, but they haven't done the cause any service at all.
Now I'm sure you are dying to tell me that there are good historical reasons for the names but I don't want to know. You are obviously bright enough and committed enough to have cut through the jargon and found the substance. But the average guy won't bother if he's put off at the start and it is the average guy that Linux has to interest if Open Source is to make real headway in the next five years.
I've read somewhere that a Linux Desktop Commission has been set up to actually get the public interested. What a good idea! Could somebody tell them that names, for instance, like 'Firstscreen' for the opening view of Linux or 'Emailsender' would actually convey something to the casual onlooker? These are examples from the top of my head as I type, of course, but you get the idea, I'm sure.
You've got to get the attention of the ordinary computer user. Names like Gnome won't do it!
Cheers
I don't know where Linux will be in five years because I don't know where it is now. I'm pre-newbie, just dipping a toe in the murky waters of Linux understanding.
But I'm sure that Linux would be more easily comprehensible to the average guy if the terminology was changed. I don't know who thought up terms like Gimp, Bash, Konquerer, Mozilla and all the rest of the odd names that run through Linux like a stream, but they haven't done the cause any service at all.
Now I'm sure you are dying to tell me that there are good historical reasons for the names but I don't want to know. You are obviously bright enough and committed enough to have cut through the jargon and found the substance. But the average guy won't bother if he's put off at the start and it is the average guy that Linux has to interest if Open Source is to make real headway in the next five years.
I've read somewhere that a Linux Desktop Commission has been set up to actually get the public interested. What a good idea! Could somebody tell them that names, for instance, like 'Firstscreen' for the opening view of Linux or 'Emailsender' would actually convey something to the casual onlooker? These are examples from the top of my head as I type, of course, but you get the idea, I'm sure.
You've got to get the attention of the ordinary computer user. Names like Gnome won't do it!
Cheers
psi42
08-15-2003, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by blister
I don't know who thought up terms like Gimp, Bash, Konquerer, Mozilla and all the rest
If you think those names are bad, wait until you see:
gnu (guh-new)
grep
sed
GUI (how does one say "gooey" without looking like an idiot?)
grub
and, of course, fsck (how do you pronounce that, anyway?)
and many more...
Originally posted by Kaligraphic
1: On a front shelf at Best Buy, right next to Windows Dead Cat Pro
It's already there :)
I really hope it's on some computers on display, so people can buy a computer with a preconfigured linux system (from a real store, not a website).
Once it gets to that point, that is when desktop linux will really become popular. People are going to use linux over windoze if it cuts $100 off the cost of their system.
~psi42
I don't know who thought up terms like Gimp, Bash, Konquerer, Mozilla and all the rest
If you think those names are bad, wait until you see:
gnu (guh-new)
grep
sed
GUI (how does one say "gooey" without looking like an idiot?)
grub
and, of course, fsck (how do you pronounce that, anyway?)
and many more...
Originally posted by Kaligraphic
1: On a front shelf at Best Buy, right next to Windows Dead Cat Pro
It's already there :)
I really hope it's on some computers on display, so people can buy a computer with a preconfigured linux system (from a real store, not a website).
Once it gets to that point, that is when desktop linux will really become popular. People are going to use linux over windoze if it cuts $100 off the cost of their system.
~psi42
hlrguy
08-15-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by blister
Now I'm sure you are dying to tell me that there are good historical reasons for the names but I don't want to know.
Not really historical. In the Windows world, do people refer to Internet Explorer or do they say IE? Do they say Photosphop or PS. If I had it, I probably wouldn't tell people that I have 'Digital Asymetric Subscriber Line Access', I would probably use the acronym, DSL. Therefore, were it for sale, you would see
'Gnu Image Manipulation Program'
'The GIMP' only $0.00 or
OR
Come on over to Redhat 9.0 where you can bypass the GUI and use the 'Bourne Again Shell' known as bash.
You get the idea. Mostly, they are just the acronyms for the program names, and they can't really use the same acronyms that exist in the Windows world. Konqueror, you got me there, doesn't mean much. :-)
Now, maybe you can help me...I heard that a company, as part of the SEL, had to pay $32,000 for an MVL and an extra $399 for each CAL as part of the WWF for using VB...I mean, what is that? :D
hlrguy
Decode the last sentence...
http://www.itc.virginia.edu/licenses/selectacrokey.htm
Now I'm sure you are dying to tell me that there are good historical reasons for the names but I don't want to know.
Not really historical. In the Windows world, do people refer to Internet Explorer or do they say IE? Do they say Photosphop or PS. If I had it, I probably wouldn't tell people that I have 'Digital Asymetric Subscriber Line Access', I would probably use the acronym, DSL. Therefore, were it for sale, you would see
'Gnu Image Manipulation Program'
'The GIMP' only $0.00 or
OR
Come on over to Redhat 9.0 where you can bypass the GUI and use the 'Bourne Again Shell' known as bash.
You get the idea. Mostly, they are just the acronyms for the program names, and they can't really use the same acronyms that exist in the Windows world. Konqueror, you got me there, doesn't mean much. :-)
Now, maybe you can help me...I heard that a company, as part of the SEL, had to pay $32,000 for an MVL and an extra $399 for each CAL as part of the WWF for using VB...I mean, what is that? :D
hlrguy
Decode the last sentence...
http://www.itc.virginia.edu/licenses/selectacrokey.htm
bwkaz
08-16-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by carrja99
...and I think it's a pretty safe assumption to conclude that linux will probably break off into seperate distinct "flavors" like Unix originally did. I highly doubt that that'll happen. Sure, there will be different distros. But the fact that any distro can take any idea from any other and integrate it into their own (they are all based on the same code, after all...) will be an extreme disincentive to intentionally fracture Linux like Unix was getting fractured.
Unix fractured because the companies producing it were all trying to differentiate themselves from each other. Sure, distros do that now, but the difference is that the companies weren't distributing source GPL-style. Had they been, I don't think Windows would exist, because Unix would have been unified enough to fight it effectively.
Anyway, see this for more:
http://catb.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-12.html
The moment any distributor develops a feature, all competitors are free to clone it.
Since all parties understand this, nobody even thinks about doing the kinds of maneuvers that fragmented proprietary Unix. Instead, Linux distributors are forced to compete in ways that actually benefit the consumer and the overall market. That is, they must compete on service, support, and their design bets on what interfaces actually conduce to ease installation and use.
...and I think it's a pretty safe assumption to conclude that linux will probably break off into seperate distinct "flavors" like Unix originally did. I highly doubt that that'll happen. Sure, there will be different distros. But the fact that any distro can take any idea from any other and integrate it into their own (they are all based on the same code, after all...) will be an extreme disincentive to intentionally fracture Linux like Unix was getting fractured.
Unix fractured because the companies producing it were all trying to differentiate themselves from each other. Sure, distros do that now, but the difference is that the companies weren't distributing source GPL-style. Had they been, I don't think Windows would exist, because Unix would have been unified enough to fight it effectively.
Anyway, see this for more:
http://catb.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-12.html
The moment any distributor develops a feature, all competitors are free to clone it.
Since all parties understand this, nobody even thinks about doing the kinds of maneuvers that fragmented proprietary Unix. Instead, Linux distributors are forced to compete in ways that actually benefit the consumer and the overall market. That is, they must compete on service, support, and their design bets on what interfaces actually conduce to ease installation and use.
coffeelover
10-17-2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by Gaxus
I think Apple will still be there on the sidelines, making quality software/hardware :D
Apple is a PC company???? I thought it was something you used to gave to your teacher so you can become her pet:D
I See linux as one distro for all, and programs are much easier to install because the dependency problem will be no more.
I think Apple will still be there on the sidelines, making quality software/hardware :D
Apple is a PC company???? I thought it was something you used to gave to your teacher so you can become her pet:D
I See linux as one distro for all, and programs are much easier to install because the dependency problem will be no more.
Satanic Atheist
10-17-2003, 10:48 AM
and, of course, fsck (how do you pronounce that, anyway?)
I just use the letters... or if I'm in a bad mood, the obvious! (Hahahahaha. Fsck YOU, Hard Drive!!!)
Where will Linux be in 5 years, eh? Well, I'd love to be optimistic and find it as a massive rival to Microsoft, who I think will really put their foot in it, but I think that's perhaps a little too soon.
I've just read today that there were 4000 security patches for Windows last year and 2000 in the first half of this year (El Reg, I think). Now, how many "critical" or "strongly recommended" patches were there for Linux last year? I can't think of one. I only apply patches for extra functionality. This is where people will begin to see the difference (wait 'til the TV ads start showing up for Linux...)
There have been some truly great points mentioned on this thread so far, especially about Palladium, which I know absolutely nothing about... Shame.
From my perspective, I really can't say too much, because I don't think there will be too much different in 5 years. Market shares have been mentioned, but these change faster than the colours on this NT4 machine's screen. They aren't very predictable, but I'm fairly confident the market share of Linux will increase, but I don't think it'll be too ground-breaking.
Since the younger generation are being brought up in a technological world, I think it's highly likely that they will be more computer-literate than the current generation and therefore more inquisitive and interested in Linux.
In 5 years, sadly, MS will still have the corporate (users) share of the market. UNIX (mainly Sun) will still have an excellent foothold in the server market.
As the economy of the world changes, you may see a lot of smaller companies deploying low-end Linux (in terms of hardware, not Linux) servers and this is it's foot-in-the-door for the corporate world.
I just hope that MS are beaten senseless with law-suits about unfair business practice, poor standard of quality in their products and leaving customers vulnerable to attack from hackers, viruses and whatever. To be honest, I'm getting tired of hearing about their latest-and-greatest and I'm fed up with reading on The Reg about how they've stuffed it up again and had to release patches two days after it was launched.
Don't you think it's a bit of a strange business initiative to say you're releasing patches at a set time every month (except when critical). Does that fill you with confidence in the product? When was the last time you patched a piece of Linux software because it had a gaping security hole in it?
Anyway, I'm going off-topic, so to close up...
Maybe in 10 years time, I can see there being a more revolutionary change, but not in 5. It's just too soon. A lot can happen, but seriously, not enough to drastically change the face of computing. Sadly the only thing we really have to look forward to is the Linux Kernel version 3.
James
I just use the letters... or if I'm in a bad mood, the obvious! (Hahahahaha. Fsck YOU, Hard Drive!!!)
Where will Linux be in 5 years, eh? Well, I'd love to be optimistic and find it as a massive rival to Microsoft, who I think will really put their foot in it, but I think that's perhaps a little too soon.
I've just read today that there were 4000 security patches for Windows last year and 2000 in the first half of this year (El Reg, I think). Now, how many "critical" or "strongly recommended" patches were there for Linux last year? I can't think of one. I only apply patches for extra functionality. This is where people will begin to see the difference (wait 'til the TV ads start showing up for Linux...)
There have been some truly great points mentioned on this thread so far, especially about Palladium, which I know absolutely nothing about... Shame.
From my perspective, I really can't say too much, because I don't think there will be too much different in 5 years. Market shares have been mentioned, but these change faster than the colours on this NT4 machine's screen. They aren't very predictable, but I'm fairly confident the market share of Linux will increase, but I don't think it'll be too ground-breaking.
Since the younger generation are being brought up in a technological world, I think it's highly likely that they will be more computer-literate than the current generation and therefore more inquisitive and interested in Linux.
In 5 years, sadly, MS will still have the corporate (users) share of the market. UNIX (mainly Sun) will still have an excellent foothold in the server market.
As the economy of the world changes, you may see a lot of smaller companies deploying low-end Linux (in terms of hardware, not Linux) servers and this is it's foot-in-the-door for the corporate world.
I just hope that MS are beaten senseless with law-suits about unfair business practice, poor standard of quality in their products and leaving customers vulnerable to attack from hackers, viruses and whatever. To be honest, I'm getting tired of hearing about their latest-and-greatest and I'm fed up with reading on The Reg about how they've stuffed it up again and had to release patches two days after it was launched.
Don't you think it's a bit of a strange business initiative to say you're releasing patches at a set time every month (except when critical). Does that fill you with confidence in the product? When was the last time you patched a piece of Linux software because it had a gaping security hole in it?
Anyway, I'm going off-topic, so to close up...
Maybe in 10 years time, I can see there being a more revolutionary change, but not in 5. It's just too soon. A lot can happen, but seriously, not enough to drastically change the face of computing. Sadly the only thing we really have to look forward to is the Linux Kernel version 3.
James
AndrewLubinus89
10-17-2003, 01:16 PM
Ms users beg companies to port Linux games to Windows :D
Anomaly
10-18-2003, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by AndrewLubinus89
Ms users beg companies to port Linux games to Windows :D
Wha!? I never heared of that... Seems like I am missing a lot in terms of linux gaming...
/me heads off to Games forum!
In 5 years... I think it will take windows users more then just realization of how good linux is... My guess is, it will be a screw up from MS's part that will kill their user base... So in that prespective.. Palladium is actully a wonderful opportunity for linux :D
I dont think win and linux will even stand head to head in 5 years time (Unless whats said above actully leads to a revolution :eek: )
Ms users beg companies to port Linux games to Windows :D
Wha!? I never heared of that... Seems like I am missing a lot in terms of linux gaming...
/me heads off to Games forum!
In 5 years... I think it will take windows users more then just realization of how good linux is... My guess is, it will be a screw up from MS's part that will kill their user base... So in that prespective.. Palladium is actully a wonderful opportunity for linux :D
I dont think win and linux will even stand head to head in 5 years time (Unless whats said above actully leads to a revolution :eek: )
rwtoften
10-18-2003, 09:19 PM
See, linux installed on alot of computers that are purchased off the shelf if distro's start getting user friendly
like mandrake 9.2 is getting! Personally find it easier
to install and set-up then microsoft windows xp.
Can surf the web, send e-mails, etc. The only down fall
is getting them installed on pre built computers for the mass to accept them as the norm.
:cool:
like mandrake 9.2 is getting! Personally find it easier
to install and set-up then microsoft windows xp.
Can surf the web, send e-mails, etc. The only down fall
is getting them installed on pre built computers for the mass to accept them as the norm.
:cool:
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