garskoci
07-14-2003, 03:33 PM
It's a start!!!
A PC prepackaged with Suse and open source!
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111557,00.asp
A PC prepackaged with Suse and open source!
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111557,00.asp
Click to See Complete Forum and Search --> : Walmart $ Suse
oubipaws
07-14-2003, 03:37 PM
I'd much rather have a Suse Box than a Lindows machine :p
psi42
07-14-2003, 03:37 PM
Finally, Linux preinstalled on a retail computer!!!
They were using lindows before, but from what I've heard there are still quite a few problems with it.
~psi42
They were using lindows before, but from what I've heard there are still quite a few problems with it.
~psi42
psi42
07-14-2003, 03:39 PM
From walmart.com
This item is currently available online only.
Edit: Here are walmart's linux systems. Looks like they are also using Lycoris:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=106562&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A106562
This item is currently available online only.
Edit: Here are walmart's linux systems. Looks like they are also using Lycoris:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=106562&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A106562
garskoci
07-14-2003, 03:43 PM
Online or not, this is good to see!!!
oubipaws
07-14-2003, 03:46 PM
Being able to buy linux PC's online is nice, but what is even better is when someone with lets say 400$ goes into walmart and is looking for a PC... they are going to see the 900$ HP Windows XP box, and then they are going to see the 300$ Suse Box.... both of which have close to the same specs.
Which one are they going to pick?
Which one are they going to pick?
mindcooler
07-14-2003, 03:52 PM
I hope they don't pick anyone of the crap computers at Walmart no matter what OS they come with
hard candy
07-14-2003, 03:53 PM
I'd pick the one with Dux Linux on it!
It would be a decent starter for grade or high school and you wouldn't have to worry about updating Encarta, etc every year or
WinXP every 2 years. And Walmart has decent prices on computer games (usually $10 less than the other chains for the older games)
It would be a decent starter for grade or high school and you wouldn't have to worry about updating Encarta, etc every year or
WinXP every 2 years. And Walmart has decent prices on computer games (usually $10 less than the other chains for the older games)
Nuada Storm
07-14-2003, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by garskoci
It's a start!!!
A PC prepackaged with Suse and open source!
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111557,00.asp
Dell has been selling PCs with prepackaged Redhat Linux for over 5 years now.
PCClub.com has offered Redhat Linux on all their PCs, Laptops and Servers for 3 years now.
Not sure how innovative Wal-Mart is in this area. Especially when they tout their success as not being innovative but by doing what works. Especially since they sell Windows based machines in their stores which make a higher percentage of overall sales.
It's a start!!!
A PC prepackaged with Suse and open source!
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111557,00.asp
Dell has been selling PCs with prepackaged Redhat Linux for over 5 years now.
PCClub.com has offered Redhat Linux on all their PCs, Laptops and Servers for 3 years now.
Not sure how innovative Wal-Mart is in this area. Especially when they tout their success as not being innovative but by doing what works. Especially since they sell Windows based machines in their stores which make a higher percentage of overall sales.
Nuada Storm
07-14-2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
Being able to buy linux PC's online is nice, but what is even better is when someone with lets say 400$ goes into walmart and is looking for a PC... they are going to see the 900$ HP Windows XP box, and then they are going to see the 300$ Suse Box.... both of which have close to the same specs.
Which one are they going to pick?
I can almost guarantee that you won't see the Suse Box in the physical store. There are no add-ons available for them to boost the sell with. No software on the shelves means no repeat sales from that customer. Wal-mart doesn't make money from sell you big name items. In fact they lose money on a lot of things like Televisions and DVD players. They make money on selling DVD's, Video Tapes, Games, Software and accessories for those high end items. Without the Accessories, the high-end item doesn't show up on the floor. Why do you think they don't sell large appliances? They could but since there are no accessories, they don't.
Being able to buy linux PC's online is nice, but what is even better is when someone with lets say 400$ goes into walmart and is looking for a PC... they are going to see the 900$ HP Windows XP box, and then they are going to see the 300$ Suse Box.... both of which have close to the same specs.
Which one are they going to pick?
I can almost guarantee that you won't see the Suse Box in the physical store. There are no add-ons available for them to boost the sell with. No software on the shelves means no repeat sales from that customer. Wal-mart doesn't make money from sell you big name items. In fact they lose money on a lot of things like Televisions and DVD players. They make money on selling DVD's, Video Tapes, Games, Software and accessories for those high end items. Without the Accessories, the high-end item doesn't show up on the floor. Why do you think they don't sell large appliances? They could but since there are no accessories, they don't.
oubipaws
07-14-2003, 04:02 PM
Dux Linux computers in Wal-Mart :D
Nah, they should sell College Linux though, its installed around the campus at Hood and it works for everything you would be needing to do in college.
Gateway sells linux now...(i don't how long they have been selling it for though)
<edit> They sell the Lindows PC's in my area and they get sold pretty fast </edit>
Nah, they should sell College Linux though, its installed around the campus at Hood and it works for everything you would be needing to do in college.
Gateway sells linux now...(i don't how long they have been selling it for though)
<edit> They sell the Lindows PC's in my area and they get sold pretty fast </edit>
JamminJoeyB
07-14-2003, 04:04 PM
oubipaws has a point. The only problem I forsee is some who is not very computer literate going in and saying hey $300 for a new computer. I think it's about time to get a new one.
Now you have someone who has been using a p133 running win95 to surf and email trying to figure out how to set up thier accounts.
I can see the tech support calls now.
Tech support :"Speednet tech support can I help you"
User: "Can you help me set up account on my new computer"
Tech support: "Ok what operating system is it"
User: "When it starts up it says Susy" *trust me they will call it that
At this point things will degrade into an argument over what os is actually installed for about 10 min.
When the tech support figures out the person is running linux they won't be much help. They only understand windows.
Odds are that thier isp will be AOL.
Now you have someone who has been using a p133 running win95 to surf and email trying to figure out how to set up thier accounts.
I can see the tech support calls now.
Tech support :"Speednet tech support can I help you"
User: "Can you help me set up account on my new computer"
Tech support: "Ok what operating system is it"
User: "When it starts up it says Susy" *trust me they will call it that
At this point things will degrade into an argument over what os is actually installed for about 10 min.
When the tech support figures out the person is running linux they won't be much help. They only understand windows.
Odds are that thier isp will be AOL.
oubipaws
07-14-2003, 04:08 PM
Lets hope Wal-Mart or whoever their tech service is has some Linux people ready to put up with the newbies...
OR
make justlinux.com banners and slap them on the side of every new computer saying 'come here for help':p
OR
make justlinux.com banners and slap them on the side of every new computer saying 'come here for help':p
psi42
07-14-2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by oubipaws
when someone with lets say 400$ goes into walmart and is looking for a PC... they are going to see the 900$ HP Windows XP box, and then they are going to see the 300$ Suse Box.... both of which have close to the same specs.
Which one are they going to pick?
The $900 HP, because the Suse box is only available online. Who goes to walmart.com anyway?
Once linux systems are on display at Best Buy, then it will be a different story.
~psi42
when someone with lets say 400$ goes into walmart and is looking for a PC... they are going to see the 900$ HP Windows XP box, and then they are going to see the 300$ Suse Box.... both of which have close to the same specs.
Which one are they going to pick?
The $900 HP, because the Suse box is only available online. Who goes to walmart.com anyway?
Once linux systems are on display at Best Buy, then it will be a different story.
~psi42
mage492
07-14-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by psi42
Who goes to walmart.com anyway?~psi42 [/B]
I went, once... I was looking for a video game. Online, it said they had it in their physical stores. When I went there, I found out it wasn't going to even be released for a month!
Needless to say, I've never been back!
Who goes to walmart.com anyway?~psi42 [/B]
I went, once... I was looking for a video game. Online, it said they had it in their physical stores. When I went there, I found out it wasn't going to even be released for a month!
Needless to say, I've never been back!
El_Cu_Guy
07-14-2003, 09:38 PM
Hey I go to Wal-Mart. It's a good place to get cheap socks. I seem to lose the mate all too often.
Everyone seems to treat this like something new. Oh wow! Mandrake has been avaliable on Wal-Mart PCs for awhile too. More choices that's all.
Lets hope Wal-Mart or whoever their tech service is has some Linux people ready to put up with the newbies...
I dunno. Why don't you check out MicroTel and let us know?
Everyone seems to treat this like something new. Oh wow! Mandrake has been avaliable on Wal-Mart PCs for awhile too. More choices that's all.
Lets hope Wal-Mart or whoever their tech service is has some Linux people ready to put up with the newbies...
I dunno. Why don't you check out MicroTel and let us know?
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
07-14-2003, 10:39 PM
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96058
This is a thread over in the How I Did It! forum. It's a review of one of the cheap Lindows PCs that Walmart.com is offering.
Apparently, the quality was really poor. Super cheap components, poor expansion/case accessibility, and in this individual's experience, a bad CD-ROM drive.
Personally, this may appeal to someone who would know how to find it at WalMart.com for a second or replacement box, but I think Joe Sixpack might be disappointed with it if it's of such poor quality. Even if I needed a cheap throw-away box, I wouldn't buy it based off of this review. I at least need enough space to work inside of my case. Give me a Mid-Tower or a Full. Being 6'5", I can't really imagine trying to stick my hands into one of those tiny MATX cases.
This is a thread over in the How I Did It! forum. It's a review of one of the cheap Lindows PCs that Walmart.com is offering.
Apparently, the quality was really poor. Super cheap components, poor expansion/case accessibility, and in this individual's experience, a bad CD-ROM drive.
Personally, this may appeal to someone who would know how to find it at WalMart.com for a second or replacement box, but I think Joe Sixpack might be disappointed with it if it's of such poor quality. Even if I needed a cheap throw-away box, I wouldn't buy it based off of this review. I at least need enough space to work inside of my case. Give me a Mid-Tower or a Full. Being 6'5", I can't really imagine trying to stick my hands into one of those tiny MATX cases.
slapNUT
07-14-2003, 11:20 PM
Lets think about this logically for a second. There are 2 huge corporations at play here (Microsoft) and (Wal-Mart).
Now it seems to me that Wal-Mart just gave Bill Gates the big "middle finger salute".
Cool...
I bought my last computer (no OS) from WalMart and if they are still selling no OS computers when I upgrade I will buy my next one from them.
Wal-Mart is about the only company in the world big enough to take on Microsoft and survive.
I recommend any Linux enthusiast to support them.
BTW I have had no problems with the computer and the components are not inferrior.
I got a VIA motherboard with Kingston memory sticks. It had a Lucent Modem and a WD hard drive. The CD was generic but it works fine.
If all you want is a cheap computer with good spesc, that is compatible with Linux then I suggest Wal-mart.
Dont believe the FUD, its comming from Microsoft.
Now it seems to me that Wal-Mart just gave Bill Gates the big "middle finger salute".
Cool...
I bought my last computer (no OS) from WalMart and if they are still selling no OS computers when I upgrade I will buy my next one from them.
Wal-Mart is about the only company in the world big enough to take on Microsoft and survive.
I recommend any Linux enthusiast to support them.
BTW I have had no problems with the computer and the components are not inferrior.
I got a VIA motherboard with Kingston memory sticks. It had a Lucent Modem and a WD hard drive. The CD was generic but it works fine.
If all you want is a cheap computer with good spesc, that is compatible with Linux then I suggest Wal-mart.
Dont believe the FUD, its comming from Microsoft.
psi42
07-14-2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96058
This is a thread over in the How I Did It! forum. It's a review of one of the cheap Lindows PCs that Walmart.com is offering.
Apparently, the quality was really poor. Super cheap components, poor expansion/case accessibility, and in this individual's experience, a bad CD-ROM drive.
I read the review...sounds like the microtel pc is probably put together with some reject parts...
It's great that we are finally seeing computers pre-loaded with linux, but these systems are put together with the worst low-quality hardware Microtel could get. Some people might buy these systems and have problems and blame them on Linux, when the hardware is the real culprit.
It would be great if they loaded linux onto some systems with high-quality powerful hardware instead of junk they got from Garbage 'n More.
~psi42
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96058
This is a thread over in the How I Did It! forum. It's a review of one of the cheap Lindows PCs that Walmart.com is offering.
Apparently, the quality was really poor. Super cheap components, poor expansion/case accessibility, and in this individual's experience, a bad CD-ROM drive.
I read the review...sounds like the microtel pc is probably put together with some reject parts...
It's great that we are finally seeing computers pre-loaded with linux, but these systems are put together with the worst low-quality hardware Microtel could get. Some people might buy these systems and have problems and blame them on Linux, when the hardware is the real culprit.
It would be great if they loaded linux onto some systems with high-quality powerful hardware instead of junk they got from Garbage 'n More.
~psi42
Nuada Storm
07-14-2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by psi42
Who goes to walmart.com anyway?
Only about 200 million people in the United States. Well maybe not that many.. However I live in a twin city area with 250,000 people in the two cities. We currently have 4 Walmart stores in the two cities and they are always packed. There are also two Targets and a Kmart which are their biggest competitors. Soon there will be a Sam's Club opening up which is their big Club store similar to Costco (which we have one of as well).
Who goes to walmart.com anyway?
Only about 200 million people in the United States. Well maybe not that many.. However I live in a twin city area with 250,000 people in the two cities. We currently have 4 Walmart stores in the two cities and they are always packed. There are also two Targets and a Kmart which are their biggest competitors. Soon there will be a Sam's Club opening up which is their big Club store similar to Costco (which we have one of as well).
psi42
07-14-2003, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Nuada Storm
Only about 200 million people in the United States. Well maybe not that many.. However I live in a twin city area with 250,000 people in the two cities. We currently have 4 Walmart stores in the two cities and they are always packed. There are also two Targets and a Kmart which are their biggest competitors. Soon there will be a Sam's Club opening up which is their big Club store similar to Costco (which we have one of as well).
Yes, so there are 4 Walmart stores nearby...Why would anyone go to walmart.com and pay shipping when they could just go to the store? And if they do go to the store, they won't see the linux pc.
~psi42
Only about 200 million people in the United States. Well maybe not that many.. However I live in a twin city area with 250,000 people in the two cities. We currently have 4 Walmart stores in the two cities and they are always packed. There are also two Targets and a Kmart which are their biggest competitors. Soon there will be a Sam's Club opening up which is their big Club store similar to Costco (which we have one of as well).
Yes, so there are 4 Walmart stores nearby...Why would anyone go to walmart.com and pay shipping when they could just go to the store? And if they do go to the store, they won't see the linux pc.
~psi42
slapNUT
07-14-2003, 11:40 PM
The thing is I speak from experience and the rest of you speak from hear-say. I have been using this Microtel PC since October 2002 and I have not had the first glitch.
Wal-Mart has gone out on a limb here to take on Microsoft. I appreciate that and I support them with my cash. The rest of you can continue to fear everything you see that is different. Boaring!
Wal-Mart has gone out on a limb here to take on Microsoft. I appreciate that and I support them with my cash. The rest of you can continue to fear everything you see that is different. Boaring!
psi42
07-14-2003, 11:54 PM
See link:
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/clientscert.html
And some more:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02d/12454-64287-89301.html
EDIT: Okay, I'm not sure exactly what they are selling. All I can find is "comparison matrices." Their website is hard to navigate with my slow connection, I can't seem to find any system specs, so I don't know if these come with linux or are just "certified." These are their "business" models, they don't offer linux on their desktop systems.
EDIT: Finally found some info:
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11709_na/11709_na.HTML
See option: windows or Mandrake Linux
I don't see any prices, though.
~psi42
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/clientscert.html
And some more:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02d/12454-64287-89301.html
EDIT: Okay, I'm not sure exactly what they are selling. All I can find is "comparison matrices." Their website is hard to navigate with my slow connection, I can't seem to find any system specs, so I don't know if these come with linux or are just "certified." These are their "business" models, they don't offer linux on their desktop systems.
EDIT: Finally found some info:
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11709_na/11709_na.HTML
See option: windows or Mandrake Linux
I don't see any prices, though.
~psi42
El_Cu_Guy
07-15-2003, 12:18 AM
I read the review...sounds like the microtel pc is probably put together with some reject parts...
The Lindows PCs are made using extremely small boards so the expansion slot are pretty much worthless.
It's great that we are finally seeing computers pre-loaded with linux, but these systems are put together with the worst low-quality hardware Microtel could get.
Kinda hard to say when you consider you can get a very nice Celeron system and monitor from Dell/Gateway for only about $150-200 more.
Personally, I think these systems could be the same price and include a relatively inexpensive (or refurb) 17" CRT monitor. A small profile case would also be a nice selling point (market it as small saving design).
Frankly I see eMachines as a much better value if you are going to buy something from WalMart. If I was to consider a Microtel computer it would'nt be a Lindows PC. I think the system with LycorisOS is a much better deal. Thrown in a pawn shop 17" monitor and you're ready to go.
The Lindows PCs are made using extremely small boards so the expansion slot are pretty much worthless.
It's great that we are finally seeing computers pre-loaded with linux, but these systems are put together with the worst low-quality hardware Microtel could get.
Kinda hard to say when you consider you can get a very nice Celeron system and monitor from Dell/Gateway for only about $150-200 more.
Personally, I think these systems could be the same price and include a relatively inexpensive (or refurb) 17" CRT monitor. A small profile case would also be a nice selling point (market it as small saving design).
Frankly I see eMachines as a much better value if you are going to buy something from WalMart. If I was to consider a Microtel computer it would'nt be a Lindows PC. I think the system with LycorisOS is a much better deal. Thrown in a pawn shop 17" monitor and you're ready to go.
yongbeng
07-15-2003, 12:26 AM
take a look on the user side. while..you see..what are the things that windows can do and linux can't? i mean on the user side. Desktops and OS nowadays. There are only a few important things..Office, Mail and Internet Browser.. I believe that's all.. Discard the DNS, Apache, Sendmail and stuffs..I don't think the end user like my sales guy sitting next to me would be interested. You see.. What's the difference of learning just to use Windows XP and Redhat 9.0? It's about the same. The office, the mail..While, it's pretty standard isn't it?
So, to sum it up. I believe Linux will be invading more and more offices and houses as user out there would be smart enough to figure out that they won't pay money for a OS which doesn't really entertain them or help them. You still need money to buy office and $$ to buy the games.. What linux is lacking now I believe is the games..Once the games start invading, I believe linux can really grow.
furthermore, hardware makers like HP and Dell...They would realise soon that bundling the Windows OS would just put a higher price tag on their machines and amateur user would just feel that Dell and HP are "expensive" PCs..Actually they're not.. it's just the OS license they need to put the cost into..Then, they would start having more linux on their machine which doesn't cost as much as putting a windows 95.
So, to sum it up. I believe Linux will be invading more and more offices and houses as user out there would be smart enough to figure out that they won't pay money for a OS which doesn't really entertain them or help them. You still need money to buy office and $$ to buy the games.. What linux is lacking now I believe is the games..Once the games start invading, I believe linux can really grow.
furthermore, hardware makers like HP and Dell...They would realise soon that bundling the Windows OS would just put a higher price tag on their machines and amateur user would just feel that Dell and HP are "expensive" PCs..Actually they're not.. it's just the OS license they need to put the cost into..Then, they would start having more linux on their machine which doesn't cost as much as putting a windows 95.
slapNUT
07-15-2003, 01:50 AM
This post is about the Wal-Mart Suse computer. I have not bought one. I did buy a Wal-mart "no OS" computer last year.
I am extremely happy with it!
I will continue to buy WaL-Mart " windowless" computers as long as they sell them.
If anyone wants to debate the value of the systems they sell then please try.
I will tell you that the components with a few exceptions are equavalent to any system available. They are not "bleeding edge" motherboards and drives but they work and are Linux friendly.
If you want a cheap Linux system then look to Wal-Mart. Ignore the idiots who know nothing of what they speak.
I am extremely happy with it!
I will continue to buy WaL-Mart " windowless" computers as long as they sell them.
If anyone wants to debate the value of the systems they sell then please try.
I will tell you that the components with a few exceptions are equavalent to any system available. They are not "bleeding edge" motherboards and drives but they work and are Linux friendly.
If you want a cheap Linux system then look to Wal-Mart. Ignore the idiots who know nothing of what they speak.
Nuada Storm
07-15-2003, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by psi42
Yes, so there are 4 Walmart stores nearby...Why would anyone go to walmart.com and pay shipping when they could just go to the store? And if they do go to the store, they won't see the linux pc.
~psi42
I believe I already stated that....
Yes, so there are 4 Walmart stores nearby...Why would anyone go to walmart.com and pay shipping when they could just go to the store? And if they do go to the store, they won't see the linux pc.
~psi42
I believe I already stated that....
do_guh_new
07-15-2003, 02:51 AM
at all the wal-marts in my area none of them sell any pc's at all let alone linux pc's so the shipping argument (at least in this area) doesnt make any sense anyway. I'm gonna have to agree with slapnut here and order myself one very soon (possibly tomorrow)
nerrollus
07-15-2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by oubipaws
Lets hope Wal-Mart or whoever their tech service is has some Linux people ready to put up with the newbies...
OR
make justlinux.com banners and slap them on the side of every new computer saying 'come here for help':p
Walmart has their own $9.95 a month internet service. If they were smart, they'd toss 3 months of free inet service in on those box. ;)
Lets hope Wal-Mart or whoever their tech service is has some Linux people ready to put up with the newbies...
OR
make justlinux.com banners and slap them on the side of every new computer saying 'come here for help':p
Walmart has their own $9.95 a month internet service. If they were smart, they'd toss 3 months of free inet service in on those box. ;)
oubipaws
07-15-2003, 12:05 PM
1) I own one of the the no os boxes... the case sucks, and its cheap, but hey, I'm not going to pay 900$ for a good server in my house, I paid 300 and got a 1gz debian server :)
2) walmart sells the suse pc's and the lindows pc in the store about 3 blocks from where I am now
3) walmart can't include their internet service, it requires a windows client just like netzero and juno do
2) walmart sells the suse pc's and the lindows pc in the store about 3 blocks from where I am now
3) walmart can't include their internet service, it requires a windows client just like netzero and juno do
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